-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I agree that Strong's Concordance is not always conclusively correct on everything it gives on definitions.
But then you state: "the original Greek word meant to miss 'God's best'" -- Where, how, when, why, What? Proof!??
Another line: "God wanted His best scholars to know the proper definition." - Huh? What? Where is that in the Bible?
Instead the Bible teaches the opposite:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]That no flesh should glory in his presence. (I Cor. 1 - KJV)
But then you state: "the original Greek word meant to miss 'God's best'" -- Where, how, when, why, What? Proof!??
Another line: "God wanted His best scholars to know the proper definition." - Huh? What? Where is that in the Bible?
Instead the Bible teaches the opposite:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]That no flesh should glory in his presence. (I Cor. 1 - KJV)
I agree....basically Strong's concordance is just a book that shows how the KJV translators translated a particular Greek word. Whether the meaning of the word was translated accurately or not sometimes is up in the air for interpretation.
In the same token I believe God has teachers in our midst to help us but the ultimate Teacher is the Holy Spirit - without Him - it doesn't matter how much Greek or Hebrew one knows.
Just because some Greek scholar says something - that doesn't mean it is actually entirely accurate. Many times they could be "adding their own thoughts to it too".
J
Free, you asked, "I have to wonder why if sin is simply missing God's "best” why the wage for that would be death?" Good question. This simple definition requires us to reevaluate everything. It has one very positive aspect. God is opptimistic in regards to us. I'd like to look at that more and explain, but maybe later. I was off doing some stuff, and now I have a bunch of answers to give. First, it's important to explain the origin of this teaching. Of course, it's not mine. Bible historians record that Wycliffe worked on translating the Bible in the 1300's. Tyndale also worked on translation. When the original Greek (amartais) was translated, there was no English word that was even close. So, they found the word sin from the sport of archery. In Archery, to "miss the mark" is to sin. The original greek word meant to miss "God's best." I dont remember who asked, but this is all available. Many histories will confirm the assignment of the word sin to represent the word amartais. It makes interesting research. Wycliffe was declared a heretic by the Pope.. After he was dead, the dug him up. burned his bones, ground up the bones and threw him into a river in Germany. This was to prevent him from rising in the resurrection.
J
Forgive me if I digress.
Okay, in other religions, a sin is a violation of their law. This definition is altogether a different thing. It forces a readjustment of what we think. As Free did, we will ruminate and consider this.
A lot of writing has examined the difference this one word makes. Scholars like to enumerate how it shines a favorable light on our God. They do a good job, and you may review their work at your leisure.
With the permission of the moderators, I will simply go to my opening post and change it to reflect that the word sin was properly defined.
Scholars as far back as the dark ages identified a problem inherent in the Bible's definition of sin. The church stopped teaching the "miss God's best" version because of the problem it engenders.
With the moderators permission, I will post a new thread asking about this problem.
Okay, in other religions, a sin is a violation of their law. This definition is altogether a different thing. It forces a readjustment of what we think. As Free did, we will ruminate and consider this.
A lot of writing has examined the difference this one word makes. Scholars like to enumerate how it shines a favorable light on our God. They do a good job, and you may review their work at your leisure.
With the permission of the moderators, I will simply go to my opening post and change it to reflect that the word sin was properly defined.
Scholars as far back as the dark ages identified a problem inherent in the Bible's definition of sin. The church stopped teaching the "miss God's best" version because of the problem it engenders.
With the moderators permission, I will post a new thread asking about this problem.
Examining the word sin itself is interesting to some I suppose, however context is what really defines something. It is obvious that sin is just a word used to mean to disobey God, to do something that God has said not to do. Missing God's best, hardly seems adequate a definition when we consider that a human who dies with just one sin to his or her account, will have to spend an eternity of horrible suffering in a lake of fire. Apparently God has a great hatred for sin!
D
In order to define sin, one must know the affects of sin, as the affects of sin is a state of suffering but to understand it, one must know the first sin mankind gave life to, as the first sin was not a physical sin but it was a spiritual sin that became a physical state of sorrow, that brought suffering upon mankind by the choice mankind made, sometimes unknowingly and sometimes knowingly, so the key is to know the first sin mankind gave life to unknowingly.