Anti-Christ/Israel

tanakh · Jan 17, 2017

Pilate saith unto them, what shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ?
They all say unto him, let him be crucified.
When Pilate saw he could prevail nothing, but rather a tumult was made he took water
and washed his hands before the multitude saying I am innocent of the blood of this just person
see ye to it. Then answered all the people and said his blood be on us and on our children

Matthew 27: 24-25 KJV

In the Jewish war between AD66 and 70 over a million Jewish men women and children were slaughtered

eternally-gratefull · Jan 17, 2017

tanakh said:

so because of this we should hate all Jews?

How many did the romans kill? Should we hate all romans?

How about Germany? How many died in that war, Should we hate all from germany?

tanakh · Jan 17, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

Did I say that? Read my post and what I am replying to. That generation was responsible that is why
the massacre and the destruction of the city took place. Another point I am making is that I am replying to a post
written by a person who Cherry picks verses. Something that happens so often on this site. Other gospels do emphasize the chief priests but it wasn't just them that demanded Christs crucifixion.

eternally-gratefull · Jan 17, 2017

tanakh said:

The destruction took place because of Lev 26, Not because the jews killed jesus (the Jews did not kill jesus, A few select jews chose him over Barabbas to be crucified, but they did not represent the whole nation)

No it was their followers.. The chief priest are who had him there to begin with, then started to call out to crucify Jesus.

It still begs the answer. WE ALL KILLED JESUS,

He died for OUR SIN, not because Isreal, Rome or anyone sent him to be crucified, No one has the power to kill God. Only unless he ALLOWS THEM.

tanakh · Jan 17, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

Yes Christ did allow himself to be crucified but he did warn of the consequences that would occur -

Wherefore behold I send unto you prophets and wise men and scribes and some of them you shall kill and crucify
and some of them ye shall scourge in your synaggogues and persecute from city to city. That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharius Son of Baracias whom ye slew between the temple and the alter. Verily I say to you all these things will come upon this generation.

O Jerusalem Jerusalem those that killest l the Prophets and stonest them that that are sent to thee how often would I have
gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings and ye would not. Behold your house is left desolate. For I say to you ye shall not see me again until ye shall say Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

MATT 23:34-39 KJV

kaylagrl · Jan 17, 2017

tanakh said:

Matt 12-10 [FONT=&quot]And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all...

John 12-9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus...

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[FONT=&quot]17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For this cause the people also met him, for that they heard that he had done this miracle.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.

John 5-16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.”18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Matt 26-3 Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, 4 and they schemed to arrest Jesus secretly and kill him. 5 “But not during the festival,” they said, “or there may be a riot among the people.”

Matt 21-45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

Luke 9-22 And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”

Matt 20-17 Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, 18 “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death 19 and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!”

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Adstar · Jan 17, 2017

JustWhoIAm said:

I know most of the theries / interpretation of the scripture.. I pay no creadence to any interpretation trying to identify the actual names or who the two witnesses shall be.. I believe when the time comes it will be obvious.. Yes i believe there is a lot of symbolic language in the Book of Revelation that needs to be interpreted as such.. But in regard to the two witnesses i see that as being a literal two human witnesses because their bodies will lir in Jerusalem for 3 days and all the people in the world will celebrate their deaths.. I cannot see this as being symbolic.. Yes i have read the Symbolic interpretation..

What makes the Boiok of revealtion impossible to ""Crack"" is that it is a Mix of Both Literal and Symbolic.. I believe God revealed it that way to prevent those who who are not guided by the Holy Spirit from understanding it.. I also believe that some of it will not be trully understood until near the time of it's fulfillment.. I have read many older interpretations of portions of prophecy in general and the book of Revelation in particular that where based in people wanting to make old world political national situations fit the prophecies in their life times... For instance i saw one years ago trying to make the Soviet union and the warsaw pack nations as the fulfillment of the beast empire.. As we know the warsaw pack and the Soviet Union no longer exist..

I think many people have a deep desire for the end of this world and the return of Jesus.. And that desire leads them to be attracted to interpretations of prophecy that lead them to seek to create interpretations that say that fulfillment of the Prophecies will take place in their life times..

Bladerunner · Jan 17, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

One might remember,,,the Words of God were already written when this happened...the exact way it was written/

Bladerunner · Jan 17, 2017

tanakh said:

Yes Christ did allow himself to be crucified but he did warn of the consequences that would occur -

Wherefore behold I send unto you prophets and wise men and scribes and some of them you shall kill and crucify
and some of them ye shall scourge in your synaggogues and persecute from city to city. That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharius Son of Baracias whom ye slew between the temple and the alter. Verily I say to you all these things will come upon this generation.

O Jerusalem Jerusalem those that killest l the Prophets and stonest them that that are sent to thee how often would I have
gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings and ye would not. Behold your house is left desolate. For I say to you ye shall not see me again until ye shall say Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

This is the key to Revelation and its end. God does take them back.
MATT 23:34-39 KJV

The replacement theory just does not work. except to condemn them who believe in it.Like the Catholic Church, how many millions is find Hell because of their false preaching

eternally-gratefull · Jan 17, 2017

tanakh said:

Yes Christ did allow himself to be crucified but he did warn of the consequences that would occur -

Wherefore behold I send unto you prophets and wise men and scribes and some of them you shall kill and crucify
and some of them ye shall scourge in your synaggogues and persecute from city to city. That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharius Son of Baracias whom ye slew between the temple and the alter. Verily I say to you all these things will come upon this generation.

O Jerusalem Jerusalem those that killest l the Prophets and stonest them that that are sent to thee how often would I have
gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings and ye would not. Behold your house is left desolate. For I say to you ye shall not see me again until ye shall say Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

MATT 23:34-39 KJV

Again Read Lev 26. You can also read Dan 9 if you are unsure. Lev 26 speak of Isreal being punished aifthey do not do what of commands. And her city and sanctuary laid waste.

Bladerunner · Jan 17, 2017

Adstar said:

I'll have a agree with you on alot of what you say... I pay no creadence to any interpretation trying to identify the actual names or who the two witnesses shall be..

Everybody has a person(s) of who they may be... In my case it is strictly speculation but because of the Fire being called down from heaven, the rainless days. Elijah would be my guess for one... The scripture gives us a peak who the other is because of the Plagues, etc that are brought forth by Moses in Eygpt. While it tells us Moses was buried but no-one knows where his sepulchre is????? could his body have been taken by God????? We will never know... Now as I stated, it is strictly speculation subject to change as more information becomes available. p.s. I don't intend to be here on this earth are when those two arrive but rather see who they are from above.

Having I said that Daniel 12:4 tells us "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." New items are coming to light just about every day to those who seek it.

Have a good evening.

tanakh · Jan 17, 2017

Bladerunner said:

The true Israel is spiritual. Those with the faith of Abraham, who by the way was not Jewish by birth but Mesopotamian there are thousands of Jews within the Church and Im not talking about Messianic assemblies. There have been ever since Christ formed it. The only way anyone can be saved is through faith in Christ not by having an Israeli passport
Paul said we are all one IN CHRIST JESUS

Bladerunner · Jan 18, 2017

tanakh said:

Tanakh,,,,,," The only way anyone can be saved is through faith in Christ not by having an Israeli passport".................

This I agree with the first part.... however, when one says that God has replaced Israel with the Church then that is 'Calling God a Liar'. An 'Apostasy' that will NOT get you into heaven. This is where many and I part company.

Israel is God's timepiece and those that Curse them, will themselves be cursed.

Do you realize that 80-90% of the Churches in America teach the 'replacement theory', 'the emerging church'.

If you believe in 1 Cor 15:1-4 then that is all you need. WHY ALL?? because if you believe that Jesus actually died, was buried and was resurrected according to scripture,,, how can you doubt the rest of the Bible is Not God's Word.

Now there are those that say, well, I believe in Jesus but the scriptures are all allegorical and/or Spiritual and they tell me that God is through with Israel, Most everything in Revelation already happened in 70AD....etc..etc...etc....etc.....

This is Blasphemy plain and clear. They are calling the Word of God false thus calling God a Liar!!!!!!

If one studies Ezekiel and Jeremiah they will see the extent of God's love for Israel even unto this day and what he will do to those who believe in false teachings..

One irrefutable point is that John's Book of Revelation was written in 95AD, 25 years after the 70AD. Those "Yet to Come" statements in Revelation was not talking about 70AD....they are talking about a place in the 'Not Yet Here' Future.

Bladerunner · Jan 18, 2017

zone said:

He tells us this in Daniel 9:27...... Of course, you already know this but fail to recognize it.

tanakh · Jan 18, 2017

Bladerunner said:

Revelation talks both about the present (First century) and the future thats why it was sent to seven living actuve churches
facing persecution. As for allegorical and spiritual scripture there is plenty of it in the Bible including Revelation that relies heavily on the OT for symbols and visions. There is nothing Blasphemous in saying that the true Israel is of the spirit not the flesh. Paul states it in a number of places. He wishes that all Israel would be saved. We should want that but it is through Christ not through some Physical means. Israels possession of the land was dependent on obedience to God. The secular state of Israel is not obedient to God. They do not recognize Christ as Lord and Messiah See Deuteronomy. The blessings will only come to them when they acknowledge Christ as Lord.

Bladerunner · Jan 18, 2017

I listened to one who was telling a story of a question asked by a member in the assembly where he was speaking.

He gave the questioner an answer and scripture(s) that went along with his answer?????? (Scriptures were from the KJV version of the Holy Bible)

The questioner said well,,,,,ok but ....had another question?????????

The speaker again answered the question and gave scripture(s) to back it up.

Again, The questioner said well,,,,,ok but ....had another question????????? much like the multitude of extraneous questions we have on this forum from those that believe in the replacement theory.

I digress....

Any way, this went on for 30 minutes or so. Yet, at the end, it was apparent the questioner still did not change his mind even though he had run out of questions.

The speaker was then approached by the head of the assembly (1 of 10) and told the speaker that he did not believe that 'Jesus was the Messiah' even though all of the irrefutable evidence the Speaker had just presented.

Yes, by now one should surmise that the speaker was speaking in a Jewish Synagogue.

In this case, the belief that 'Jesus is not the messiah' could not be 'overcome' by anything in the Word of God (KJV) or (whatever version of the Torrah/Talmud) this Synagogue was using.

The same is true for those who have and are being taught that God has turned away from Israel and that the Church (all of them) will be God's people. There is no specific number of stories nor any number of scriptures that can be presented to these people that will convince them that the WORD of GOD (the KJV Bible in this case) is true. Thus, they continue calling God a Liar.

Now the main question is....Will God accept the 'replacement theology believers' into Heaven by 'believing in Jesus' but at the same time, refuting God's people and His Words given to us all those so many years ago.

The answer to that Question is.............................

God only knows!

Ahwatukee · Jan 18, 2017

Bladerunner said:

Morning Bladerunner,

The on-going problem with attempting to use scripture as a means of proving ones point is that, preterists, which is what zone is, symbolize or allegorize all end-time events. They believe that all end-time events have already been fulfilled by assigning them to past historical events. They do this with everything mentioned in the Olivet Discourse and the events of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. I don't know if you have ever done a study on preterism or amillennialism, it not, it would help you to understand where they are coming from.

I have always believed that Preterism and amillennialism are two of the most deceptive teachings out in the world. Just as Paul told the Thessalonians not to be easily unsettled or alarmed by those teaching hat the day of the Lord has already come, so we should not be deceived or alarmed by what they are teaching.

Paul mentions two men, Hymenaeus and Philetus, who were teaching that the resurrection had already taken place. And Paul said that their teaching was godless chatter and would spread like gangrene, that they had departed from the truth and also that they were destroying the faith of some - 2 Tim.2:16-18

The Thessalonians knew the teaching from Paul that the Lord would appear, the dead in Christ would be raised and immediately following that, those in Christ who were still alive would be transformed and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. The reason for their concern was that, if these guys are teaching that the resurrection has already taken place, then how come we haven't been caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Their other concern is that, according to Paul's teaching, after the resurrection the wrath of God was to follow. The difference today, sadly, is that when people teach today that the majority of end-time events have already take place, no one bats and eye, because they have not studied nor have they understood the Lord's promise to gather the entire church prior to his wrath being poured out. They have not understood the severity and magnitude of the God's coming wrath. They have diluted it and pacified it, so that it is nothing to be concerned about. They have no idea of the chaos that is coming!

In short, what we have are a whole bunch of Hymenaeus' and Philetus' running rampant throughout the earth. We have people on this site and in the world who ignore scripture believing that the extent of God's judgment will be to make people nonexistent, which would be no judgement at all for committing sin against God. I'm sure that there are plenty of people who would choose to continue to resist God having no qualms about becoming nonexistent. There's no fear in it! Celebrities and people from all walks of life are committing suicide thinking that they are just fading into blackness, no longer to exist. Sadly for them, that as soon as they take their own life, they find that any problems that they may have had in life, now pale greatly in comparison to their spiritual status afterwards. For If they have died without Christ, all they have done is hurried the process of their own condemning judgement.

Unfortunately, those who are teaching that Jesus has already come and everything has been fulfilled at the destruction of the temple, are going to find out that the horrors of God's wrath have yet to begin.

Bladerunner · Jan 18, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

I think what some of you are forgetting. Jesus was sent here to DIE for our sins.

It only matters that non-believers were used to Kill Him on the Cross.

eternally-gratefull · Jan 18, 2017

Bladerunner said:

I think it matters much that most likely a man named saul had very much a huge part of it. And may have even been there when it happened.

You might know him, His name was changed to Paul.

Bladerunner · Jan 18, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

I would suggest you read Acts 9...... Saul of Tarsus was a non-believer until he was on that road and became Blind and then could see.

Yes, as one might say, He placed the powder in the gun but others (non-believers and traitor) were the primer.

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