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ghostmutt

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God & his angel's lived in heaven for (Who knows how long) before the creation of the earth.

The story goes that when Satan and his followers discovered Gods plans to make fleshly humans higher than him, he resented God so he turned a 3rd of the angel's against him.

For their punishment Satan and his angel's were stripped of their glory (Bodies) and thrown down to earth, to torment man.

If this account is biblically sound, then I have one question

1. How can a pefect being fall from a perfect place? (heaven)

1 A. Given that heaven is a incorruptible perfect place, how do beings made in that place become corrupted?
 

Demi777

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1.he decited to rebel against God. Free will got him to do it.
2. through satans rebelling?
 

blue_ladybug

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1. A perfect being fell from a perfect place, because he was proud and rebellious and thought he could exalt himself higher than God.

2. Pretty much the same answer as #1. Obviously heaven wasn't as incorruptible in the beginning, as it is now.
 

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Satan fell because he had free will----it seems all God's creations are given free will ----man must decide here on Earth if they will follow Christ---God has allowed Satan to test man----just as God allow Adam and Eve to be tested in the garden----seen alot---done alot---studied World Religions in college----found Christ to be real----and He is more real today...
 
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God & his angel's lived in heaven for (Who knows how long) before the creation of the earth.

The story goes that when Satan and his followers discovered Gods plans to make fleshly humans higher than him, he resented God so he turned a 3rd of the angel's against him.

For their punishment Satan and his angel's were stripped of their glory (Bodies) and thrown down to earth, to torment man.

If this account is biblically sound, then I have one question

1. How can a pefect being fall from a perfect place? (heaven)

1 A. Given that heaven is a incorruptible perfect place, how do beings made in that place become corrupted?
What if that particular account is not biblically sound? What if it is not even in the Bible?
 
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HisHolly

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He wasn't perfect in the same way God is.. Heaven is kept pure by not allowing those who are corrupt reside there
God & his angel's lived in heaven for (Who knows how long) before the creation of the earth.

The story goes that when Satan and his followers discovered Gods plans to make fleshly humans higher than him, he resented God so he turned a 3rd of the angel's against him.

For their punishment Satan and his angel's were stripped of their glory (Bodies) and thrown down to earth, to torment man.

If this account is biblically sound, then I have one question

1. How can a pefect being fall from a perfect place? (heaven)

1 A. Given that heaven is a incorruptible perfect place, how do beings made in that place become corrupted?
 
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FreeNChrist

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God & his angel's lived in heaven for (Who knows how long) before the creation of the earth.

The story goes that when Satan and his followers discovered Gods plans to make fleshly humans higher than him, he resented God so he turned a 3rd of the angel's against him.

For their punishment Satan and his angel's were stripped of their glory (Bodies) and thrown down to earth, to torment man.

If this account is biblically sound, then I have one question
It's not biblically sound.

1. How can a pefect being fall from a perfect place? (heaven)

1 A. Given that heaven is a incorruptible perfect place, how do beings made in that place become corrupted?
The biblical answer is "pride". Inherent in creating creatures with true freedom to choose is the possibility of them choosing wrongly.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I would ask where you got the info from. From your first few statements I am not sure any of them are true.
 

trofimus

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God & his angel's lived in heaven for (Who knows how long) before the creation of the earth.

The story goes that when Satan and his followers discovered Gods plans to make fleshly humans higher than him, he resented God so he turned a 3rd of the angel's against him.

For their punishment Satan and his angel's were stripped of their glory (Bodies) and thrown down to earth, to torment man.

If this account is biblically sound, then I have one question

1. How can a pefect being fall from a perfect place? (heaven)

1 A. Given that heaven is a incorruptible perfect place, how do beings made in that place become corrupted?
1. Only God is perfect in the meaning "without a mistake" or "error-less". Nothing and nobody else.

The first star (or in latin "lucifer") was perfect only in the same meaning as the fish is perfect for swimming or bird for flying.
Not perfect in the meaning of knowledge, power or unability to sin.

1 A. Not sure what you have based this presumption on.
 
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What if the Earth and Heavens were made perfectly by God? What if a certain lowly and relatively powerless animal by subtlety beguiled mankind to give him their great authority thereby corrupting all of the creation?
 

jerry2465

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God & his angel's lived in heaven for (Who knows how long) before the creation of the earth.

God created time and has no beginning or end

The story goes that when Satan and his followers discovered Gods plans to make fleshly humans higher than him, he resented God so he turned a 3rd of the angel's against him.

For their punishment Satan and his angel's were stripped of their glory (Bodies) and thrown down to earth, to torment man.

If this account is biblically sound, then I have one question


1. How can a pefect being fall from a perfect place? (heaven)

The same way that we can, by deciding to follow our own desires instead of the only true God who created everything. Basically worshiping the creation instead of the creator (Romans 1:18-25)

1 A. Given that heaven is a incorruptible perfect place, how do beings made in that place become corrupted?

The same way that we can, by deciding to follow our own desires instead of the only true God who created everything. Basically worshiping the creation instead of the creator (Romans 1:18-25)
Everyone has a choice, angels included to worship the one true God or to rebel.
 
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What if then supposing all the creation from a dragon to man to the earth to the angels is now corrupt and sold to death that creation needed a Savior?

What if the Creator promised one?
 

blue_ladybug

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You aren't making a single lick of sense whatsoever..
 
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If all of creation be corrupted unto death, everything. It needs a Savior. If God promised a Savior indeed many times;

What if that Savior was delivered?

John 1:10-14

[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
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Actually the story is nothing like that.......Lucifer made 7 assertions about himself saying I WILL.....he wanted to usurp Jesus and seize the throne and be worshipped as god.....Read Isaiah 14-->it speaks to his fall
 
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Actually the story is nothing like that.......Lucifer made 7 assertions about himself saying I WILL.....he wanted to usurp Jesus and seize the throne and be worshipped as god.....Read Isaiah 14..it speaks to this fall
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A lot of blank spaces in the bible. The bible tells us that the serpent was a created being that was more intelligent then the other creatures. We also know that he already was hostile toward God before he spoke to Eve because he tried to get her to disobey God. So why was the serpent so angry at God and displayed that anger by trying to destroy the humans. Also, why was the serpent allowed to try to get the humans to disobey God? We are not told of any of this...blank spaces.
 
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So that Savior being delivered.

What if that Savior being raised up by God is all ready victorious?
 

blue_ladybug

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What's up with all these "what if" questions? The Savior raised up by God is, was, and always will be victorious..


So that Savior being delivered.

What if that Savior being raised up by God is all ready victorious?