The Old Covenant

[dcontroversal]

At the beginning of the book it tells us that an angel rendered the Revelation into signs - symbolic language... we can agree to disagree.

Where does it say that....I remember John being told to write what he sees and at times is told exactly what to write.....and the word Revelation means to take the cover off and reveal.....so........?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Probably my last reply, because I find your extra large print a bit pointless EG.

Your right it is pointless.

number 1 it is sad that I have to highlight words which PROVE MY POINT, and i guess by your admittion you do not even read them and they are pointless

Number 2. God himself said plainly, When you are scattered BECAUSE OF SIN,, and I QUOTE (I WILL NOT destroy them (the nation) or BREAK MY COVENANT WITH THEM.

It gets no more clear than that, whther I highlight, bold or whatever. That God has PUNISHED a nation, yet he did not and never BROKE HIS COVENANT WITH THEM (IT STILL STANDS) how do we know? He said and again I quote FOR THEIR SAKE< I WILL REMEMBER THE COVENANT WIHT THE ANCESTORS.. (abrahamic covenant, not mosaic)

so if you think the words of God are pointless. We have nothing else to say to each other.

If you read Leviticus 26 properly, it simply says what I have already shown.

No, and the part I have been TRYING to get you to read proves that,

But you think it is poinless to show you that, So I guess we know what you think.

That if when in exile the Jews confess their sin, then God will remember the Abrahamic Covenant. He doesn't have to do that of course, which is the simple point you are not understanding. He could say "you are cast off forever", but he does not. He was willing to give them another chance.

Yet the part I showed that even when they did not confess their sin, He would remember his covenant and not break it..

But remember, It is pointless so. (SMH)

But the relationship is not unconditional. The Jews have to repent.

You have such a hard time understanding this simple thing, but it is not so hard.

No it is not so hard. The land is theres, if they get it taken away they have to repent to get it back. But it is still theres..

As I showed you, But yet again, You think it is pointless. You only want to read the parts you think are important.

God wanted what he has always wanted, and continues to want. A people who serve him. (Remember: God does not change!)

So what does this show? Simply that the Abrahamic Covenant was conditional.

Nope. the mosaic is conditional.. God never told abraham if you do this, I will.

He said I will..

"Walk with me, be circumcised, and I will be your God"

If you didn't get circumcised, an outward sign of obedience, you were not part of Israel.

The outward sign simply mirrors the inward part, which is subjective to God's judgement. But equally, if you didn't walk properly with God, you were also not Israel.

Both the Abrahamic Covenant and Mosaic Covenant are conditional, they are both obedience related.

What is unconditional is the promise, which was the Church.

Yep. let me ask you, do you think eternal life is conditional?

If not. Why do you think God will fail to keep his promise to Israel? What makes you so special?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok, I'll spell it out for them (and us).

What the dual covenant judaizers are trying to do is apply Leviticus 26 to the last two thousand years.

So what they are then saying is that the Jews who have been in exile for 1875 years, (leaving Judah in 73AD and returning in 1948), have been regathered as per God's application of the Abrahamic Covenant in Leviticus 26.

Confused?

If like me you thought that Leviticus 26 talked about the Babylonian exile, then you would be confused also.

The Babylonian Exile was 70 years, each year representing a Sabbath year missed by Israel. The Law mandated that the land was left fallow every 7th year, which the Israelites disobeyed. So, after 490 years, 70 years of missed sabbaths had accrued, which the Jews were required to repay for Israel by going into Babylonian exile.

Now, the logic of those like EG, DC, BR, KG, and their fellow judaizers, is that the present return of the Jews to the state of Israel, is evidence of God applying the Mosaic Law rules of Leviticus 26 to the Jews.

Sounds crackers uh? It is.

1875 years of exile, each year denoting a missed sabbath, would equate to a total of 13,125 years of Israelite infraction.

This is totally absurd, and debunks their judaizing nonsense.

lev 26 is still in effect. It has nothign to do wiht current Isreal. Isreal has not repented. (so I just probved you slandered me,, I would ask you to repent. but by your attitude and name calling, I doubt you will)

If Isreal repents at a future date, God will restore them, That is what lev. 26 states

They are NOT restored today (there are still more jews in the US than Israel)

There city still lies in ruins, the temple is a pagan center, so everything which God promised in lev 26 is still in effect, even until this day

The oT prophets. said there will be a day Isreal does repent, and at that time they will be restored.

If you do not like that, thats fine, agree to disagree, But your foolish attacks, they are getting old.. As is your attitude.. If you want to join your budy KJV on ignore, keep it up..

Keep slandering, and you will be reported.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are Judaizers, so what should I call you guys?

Come on get real, ditch the passive aggressive crap.

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first warning.. You need to calm your little self down..

I am sure you would not like being called an antisemite.. Nor would it be very christlike to be namecalling,,

 

[Spurgeoncy]

If I couldn't even spell my own handle properly, I'd probably spend more time learning and less time teaching.

 

[Adstar]

Nice....NOW pay attention


The ANGEL ASCENDS (same word applied to JESUS in ACTS) while speaking to the ANGEL that IS COMING DOWN to do what he is going to do to the EARTH

and

THIS IS NOT the SAME type of SEALING that is done by the HOLY SPIRIT when one is saved.......

That does not change the fact that they are being sealed to protect them from wrath being carried out by the angels on earth.. Thus the innocents are on earth during the time of the end..

And as i have said before they are not being saved from their sins because they have no sins.. They are the remnant spoken of by the Prophets who shall be saved on the day of the Lord..

 

[Adstar]

At the beginning of the book it tells us that an angel rendered the Revelation into signs - symbolic language...

Where does it say that....I remember John being told to write what he sees and at times is told exactly what to write.....and the word Revelation means to take the cover off and reveal.....so........?

Yes i noticed he never quoted scripture ..

 

[Bladerunner]

No. This is your hobby horse. I do not preach that.

OH,,,what then......

 

[Bladerunner]

This will be my last time responding to this person. In fact I recommend everyone put him on ignore.

Already have

This is the umpteenth time now he has proven he has NO DESIRE to discuss ANYTHING but his view.

As you can see, It did not matter what the rest of Lev 26 said, he only wanted to look at one small section out of a prety big chapter.

As you can also see, He already made up his mind, SO there is NOTHING I or anyone else can say to him.

So no use even trying.

YEP...that is about the size of it.

 

[KJV1611]

Where does it say that....I remember John being told to write what he sees and at times is told exactly what to write.....and the word Revelation means to take the cover off and reveal.....so........?

Revelation 1:1 KJV
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

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