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My two cents - funny how easy I get myself in trouble . . . !! 
I think you may all be being too hard on this new entrance into CC - I surely don't agree with a lot of the details of the original post (and many of you have pointed out these details). But I tried to get the heart of Adreaya and I think many of you may have missed or ignored it . . .
Not sure - just asking ?? . . .
I think you may all be being too hard on this new entrance into CC - I surely don't agree with a lot of the details of the original post (and many of you have pointed out these details). But I tried to get the heart of Adreaya and I think many of you may have missed or ignored it . . .
Not sure - just asking ?? . . .
There is something that I agree with in your first paragraph, but you lit it up starkly by the way you phrased your 1st paragraph. That paragraph begins as a muddle because...we definitely have something muddled! But the way you phrased it actually clearly shows the muddle.
,,,smiles and sunshine.
My two cents - funny how easy I get myself in trouble . . . !!
I think you may all be being too hard on this new entrance into CC - I surely don't agree with a lot of the details of the original post (and many of you have pointed out these details). But I tried to get the heart of Adreaya and I think many of you may have missed or ignored it . . .
Not sure - just asking ?? . . .
I think you may all be being too hard on this new entrance into CC - I surely don't agree with a lot of the details of the original post (and many of you have pointed out these details). But I tried to get the heart of Adreaya and I think many of you may have missed or ignored it . . .
Not sure - just asking ?? . . .
is a bit like a self detonating bomb where you forgot to withdraw.
Acts 28: [SUP]27 [/SUP]While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. [SUP]29 [/SUP]So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?” DO NOT CALL ANYONE UNCLEAN. I'm not sure where you came up with that garbage, I hope it was on your own cuz I'd hate to think any pastor would proclaim this from the pulpit. Jesus came to shout in a loud voice that God is not a God of vengeance but a God of love. He is merciful, kind and full of redemption and reconciliation. There is nothing we can do that is bad enough for Him to not forgive us. And you say fear is the beginning of wisdom, but what is the completion of wisdom?
1John4: [SUP]13 [/SUP]This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. [SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. Our God is not to be feared but to be loved. I truly hope you read this post my friend, you are soooo on the wrong track and if a pastor taught you those things, I would change churches immediately. God loves you and can never hate you.
1John4: [SUP]13 [/SUP]This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. [SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. Our God is not to be feared but to be loved. I truly hope you read this post my friend, you are soooo on the wrong track and if a pastor taught you those things, I would change churches immediately. God loves you and can never hate you.
Good thing God can count and is the master of numbers with a perfect memory.....some have been saved, lost, saved and lost, saved and lost, saved and lost, saved and lost, saved and lost, saved and lost, saved and lost.......like how many millions of times in their lives.......JESUS CHRIST has spent eternity on the Cross.....heck by now the nail holes are like ear ring piercings.....he is just like.....nawww I got this...walks up and slides his hands and feet over the spikes.....he has to use rope now though, because the nails and spikes wont hold him on the cross.....
This is a description of exactly how absurd it is that one can lose something that is called ETERNAL and EVERLASTING....what a weak god.......they serve!
This is a description of exactly how absurd it is that one can lose something that is called ETERNAL and EVERLASTING....what a weak god.......they serve!
I like this for it is true,and when you see all the hypocrisy among people that claim to be with Christ,they do not have the fear of God,for if they did they would not live in sin,for the fear of God means we depart from sin because God punishes sin,and we do not want to get punished by God.
Pro 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.
Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
It is true there is a lot of people that do not fear the LORD,for if they did they would depart from evil,but we see many people that claim Jesus as Lord being hypocritical and worldly,which we may sin from time to time,but we repent and get back on track,but these people live in sin and believe they are alright with God,for they have a form of godliness,but they deny the power thereof,so their flesh is in control instead of the Spirit.
Pro 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.
Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
It is true there is a lot of people that do not fear the LORD,for if they did they would depart from evil,but we see many people that claim Jesus as Lord being hypocritical and worldly,which we may sin from time to time,but we repent and get back on track,but these people live in sin and believe they are alright with God,for they have a form of godliness,but they deny the power thereof,so their flesh is in control instead of the Spirit.
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- Jude 7 - given over
- 2 chron 7:14 - repent/turn from sin
- Romans 3 :10 = psalm 14 -compares wicked and righteous
- Romans 3 : 9-12- all under sin/no one seeks God/no one does good/ no one is righteous ( this is about the unsaved)
- Psalm 14 - children of men not of GOd/wicked generation not born wicked
- Romans 3:21-25- only past sins are forgiven/all have sinned/by faith we believe and are saved
- Galatians 3 :22- by faith is the promise received by Jesus
- Jude 10-11 - against sin knowingly
- Job 14:1-2 - flower then died/not born dead
- Psalm 58:3- turns evil after/not in the womb but from it which is after birth
- Romans 1 :20-32- compares wicked and righteous
- Job 25:1-4 + job 42:7 + job 21:34 - job’s friends didn’t speak right, readers may misunderstand this
- Romans 1/2/3 - compares wicked and righteous
- Ezekiel 14: 20 own souls by their own righteousness
- Proverbs 8:36 He who sins destroys his own soul-if sin was our nature we wouldn't destroy our soul with sin
- Galatians 1 : 6-9 - another false gospel
- Jeremiah 31:23 - you can do good /you're accustomed to evil not made evil
- Isaiah 43:7 God made man for His glory(good)
- romans 2 :6-8 - works determine your eternity
- matthew 18:15-22- not a brother in christ else he would be excommunicated (see 1 cor 5:7-11)
- Jeremiah 3:25 from youth we have sinned not from birth
- Matthew 19 :13-14 - children are in the kingdom of God, belong to God
- Matthew 18:3-6 - children even so can be deceived and offended that they may fall into stumbling blocks
- John 8:44- he who sins is like his father the devil
- Romans 2:12- under the law or not all will perish and be judged for his sin
- 1 john 1:9 we must confess our sins and our guilt in order of hope in salvation
- 1 cor 6:9-10 workers of evil will not inherit the kingdom
- Gal 5:19-21 evil doers will not inherit the kingdom
- Romans 3:23 the evil generations in which there lies no good are these that are no good, not the entirety of man else that would add in good men of the bible like Noah (corresponds to psalm 14)
- Eccl 7:18-20 the generations are wicked and their righteous within them are few as v 18 say to come from them all(come out from a multitude)
- Romans 6:23 wages of sin is death
- Genesis 2:17 the day you disobey and eat of the fruit forbidden you will surely die (whole thing is physical)
- Gen 3:2-6 Eve knew the fruit was evil(v.3) satan lied(v.4-5) Eve decided herself it was good to eat the fruit (v.6)
- Eph 5:3-5 flee sin as you become saints(clearly we can be saints-not to be idols), sinners will not inherit the kingdom
- Romans 5:12-14 death as punishment over those who have sin and those who haven’t/death reigned because of sin, sin didn’t reign/even before the law sin surely was present yet not regarded
- Coll 3:5-6 wrath of God is over those who sin and disobey
- Eccl 7:29 God made man good but man sought sin by their own desires(being their own gods)
- Gen 1:26-31 God made man in His image, God saw all He made was good
- Psalm 90:5-6 talking about the wicked, they grow and flourish for a short time but then die quickly in their own lusts
- Hebrews 10:26 to sin after repentance has no more sacrifice
- Hebrews 6:4-6 renewing unto repentance is shameful
- 1 john 3:5-10 whoever sins is of the devil alone, he who is of God does not sin
- 1 john 5:18-19 whoever sins is not of God
OKAY I COULD BASICALLY PUT THE WHOLE BIBLE BUT YOU GET THE IDEA YOU DON’T HAVE TO LOOK FAR TO SEE THESE TRUTHS
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They will contend for sin nature, it is always the battle line between the wicked and the just.
The just admit they have sinned, the wicked will not take accountability.
If they believe they were born evil, then they have not yet admitted they are sinners, and still in darkness and have called God a liar.
They will confess they sin, but they will not confess why.
They confess they sin because of someone else, or blame their sin elsewhere.
But they will not confess they sin because of what Jesus said, which is the reason they sin is because choose to sin, even though they have full ability not to, and the reason they choose to sin is because they LOVE evil, and HATE God.
All sinners are God haters.
They will not admit they are sinners.
Bottom line, if they say they have a sinful nature,
They have not yet admitted they are sinners,
and have called God a liar.
They will die in their rebellion.
(John 7:7 [KJV])
The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God will take vengeance on those who do not OBEY the death, burial, and resurrection of His Son. When we get baptized INTO Christ, we die to our sins, bury our old sinful self in the watery grace of baptism, and are raised a new creature alive with the Holy Spirit.
But it is not a one time deal. I am not saying you have to keep getting baotized, I'm saying that Christ said we must take up our cross DAILY and follow Him. Every day we are to die to sin- not live in it any longer. If we do sin, we confess our sins to God, and if we have ongoing fellowship with Him, He will be faithful to continue to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.
You know the difference between visiting somewhere and living there. We cannot LIVE in sin. Repenting means a u-turn- you cannot go forwards and backwards at the same time. A Christian is always making more steps forward than they make backwards. The Bible says to keep what we've attained so far- dying to sin is an ongoing cross- we are to die to it every day.
Whatever doesnt grow dies. We need to constantly be growing in Christ.
But it is not a one time deal. I am not saying you have to keep getting baotized, I'm saying that Christ said we must take up our cross DAILY and follow Him. Every day we are to die to sin- not live in it any longer. If we do sin, we confess our sins to God, and if we have ongoing fellowship with Him, He will be faithful to continue to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.
You know the difference between visiting somewhere and living there. We cannot LIVE in sin. Repenting means a u-turn- you cannot go forwards and backwards at the same time. A Christian is always making more steps forward than they make backwards. The Bible says to keep what we've attained so far- dying to sin is an ongoing cross- we are to die to it every day.
Whatever doesnt grow dies. We need to constantly be growing in Christ.
The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16).
The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The gospel is also not be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus was) or else!
Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus did) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).
The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The gospel is also not be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus was) or else!
Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus did) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).
Well i am not sure if the person who posted the OP was the person who produced the document.. The opening poster may be coming forward and posting something they have read online and is unsure if it is the true or a false Gospel. So i am no accusing the poster of doing it.. God Knows of course..
But i read the quoted document very carefully and i saw that this document declared that people who gave a gospel different to the one supported by the document are ""children of satan""...
If you go and read the passage in the Bible where Jesus revealed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit you will see that the scribes that came down from Jerusalem accused Jesus of doing His miracles by demonic power. That Jesus was indwelled by a demon.. Of Course Jesus had the Holy Spirit.. So the scribes in actuality where accusing the Holy Spirit of being a demon.. And that is when Jesus revealed that they shall never be forgiven such a sin..
So i had to declare what i honestly believe in this case.. I see far to many people throwing such accusations around against fellow Christians sometimes even over the most minor theological differences.. And i wince inside when i see it.. People should really have great fear of doing such a thing.. But some people throw such accusations around like confetti
PS: See for yourself all who have posted replies in opposition to this document.. Declaring that it's teachings are not right with the true Gospel of out LORD Jesus Christ.. How many of them are indwelled by the Holy Spirit? How could one dare to declare they are all children of satan... I am feeling sick in my core just thinking about it..
But i read the quoted document very carefully and i saw that this document declared that people who gave a gospel different to the one supported by the document are ""children of satan""...
If you go and read the passage in the Bible where Jesus revealed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit you will see that the scribes that came down from Jerusalem accused Jesus of doing His miracles by demonic power. That Jesus was indwelled by a demon.. Of Course Jesus had the Holy Spirit.. So the scribes in actuality where accusing the Holy Spirit of being a demon.. And that is when Jesus revealed that they shall never be forgiven such a sin..
So i had to declare what i honestly believe in this case.. I see far to many people throwing such accusations around against fellow Christians sometimes even over the most minor theological differences.. And i wince inside when i see it.. People should really have great fear of doing such a thing.. But some people throw such accusations around like confetti
PS: See for yourself all who have posted replies in opposition to this document.. Declaring that it's teachings are not right with the true Gospel of out LORD Jesus Christ.. How many of them are indwelled by the Holy Spirit? How could one dare to declare they are all children of satan... I am feeling sick in my core just thinking about it..
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truth is not frightening...why else would Jesus say 'you will know the truth and the truth will set you free?'
there is a sad truth revealed in the op and it is not because there is any way shape or form the word correctly presented
no...the sad truth is that the devil always finds a way to pervert the glorious gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and who better to use than earnest young Christians who desire to serve God, but have no teaching or are seduced by people who purport to know what is true when they themselves are listening to a deceiving spirit
there is not truth in any of it people...some have posted that there is truth in the op...there is not
some truth is no truth because not everyone can pull something useful out of that fractured representation of the gospel
where do you think error begins? in any sort of deviation from what God says is true
does your heart condemn you? if so, get it right with God...He is faithful and just and will forgive
if you are IN Christ, you are not wicked and you are not unjust
I think most of us here recognize the error in this op, but just as the op themself has somehow been dragged off to believe error, so another might read and accept this as truth...but it is not
go to Christ...the Holy Spirit has a way of assuring even the worst sinner, that God forgives, has forgiven and will forgive
perfect love...God's love...casts out ALL fear
fear, is not of God!
there is a sad truth revealed in the op and it is not because there is any way shape or form the word correctly presented
no...the sad truth is that the devil always finds a way to pervert the glorious gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and who better to use than earnest young Christians who desire to serve God, but have no teaching or are seduced by people who purport to know what is true when they themselves are listening to a deceiving spirit
there is not truth in any of it people...some have posted that there is truth in the op...there is not
some truth is no truth because not everyone can pull something useful out of that fractured representation of the gospel
where do you think error begins? in any sort of deviation from what God says is true
does your heart condemn you? if so, get it right with God...He is faithful and just and will forgive
if you are IN Christ, you are not wicked and you are not unjust
I think most of us here recognize the error in this op, but just as the op themself has somehow been dragged off to believe error, so another might read and accept this as truth...but it is not
go to Christ...the Holy Spirit has a way of assuring even the worst sinner, that God forgives, has forgiven and will forgive
perfect love...God's love...casts out ALL fear
fear, is not of God!
Hi Audre: I agree with your post except the part where you said that we cannot keep coming back to God and asking for forgiveness in Jesus name. Why would Paul say, he that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall? Why did Paul tell the Corinthians to welcome back into their assembly a Christian man who had been living with his fathers wife? You are missing something big, God is a gracious God, He is not trying to find reasons to send us to hell, He is finding reasons to save us. The Lord knows that we have to contend with the world, the flesh, and the Devil. You may have the intentions of living a good sinless life for the Lord, and that is good, however, unless you have some kind of special powers that the rest of us do not have, one sad day the bottom may very well drop out and you may find yourself, like Peter, cursing and saying, I know not the man. I totally agree that many who name the name of Christ seem to have no fear of God...and that is extremely dangerous. On the other hand, we are living under God's grace, that means when we fail(sin) we can be forgiven, as long as we do not give up our faith in God the Father through Jesus Christ.
Truth is not frightening? That is absurd, the truth of hell(for instance) is terrifying to the extreme. I totally disagree with your statement about a deceiving spirit, a deceiving would never tell someone to fear God, just the opposite is true. There is a lot of truth in what this person has written. Perfect love does cast out fear, however fear comes first, if that is not there as it should be there will be no perfect love.