IS THIS THE GOSPEL???

[Chester]

• Jude 7 - given over
• 2 chron 7:14 - repent/turn from sin
• Romans 3 :10 = psalm 14 -compares wicked and righteous
• Romans 3 : 9-12- all under sin/no one seeks God/no one does good/ no one is righteous ( this is about the unsaved)
• Psalm 14 - children of men not of GOd/wicked generation not born wicked
• Romans 3:21-25- only past sins are forgiven/all have sinned/by faith we believe and are saved
• Galatians 3 :22- by faith is the promise received by Jesus
• Jude 10-11 - against sin knowingly
• Job 14:1-2 - flower then died/not born dead
• Psalm 58:3- turns evil after/not in the womb but from it which is after birth
• Romans 1 :20-32- compares wicked and righteous
• Job 25:1-4 + job 42:7 + job 21:34 - job’s friends didn’t speak right, readers may misunderstand this
• Romans 1/2/3 - compares wicked and righteous
• Ezekiel 14: 20 own souls by their own righteousness
• Proverbs 8:36 He who sins destroys his own soul-if sin was our nature we wouldn't destroy our soul with sin
• Galatians 1 : 6-9 - another false gospel
• Jeremiah 31:23 - you can do good /you're accustomed to evil not made evil
• Isaiah 43:7 God made man for His glory(good)
• romans 2 :6-8 - works determine your eternity
• matthew 18:15-22- not a brother in christ else he would be excommunicated (see 1 cor 5:7-11)
• Jeremiah 3:25 from youth we have sinned not from birth
• Matthew 19 :13-14 - children are in the kingdom of God, belong to God
• Matthew 18:3-6 - children even so can be deceived and offended that they may fall into stumbling blocks

• John 8:44- he who sins is like his father the devil
• Romans 2:12- under the law or not all will perish and be judged for his sin
• 1 john 1:9 we must confess our sins and our guilt in order of hope in salvation
• 1 cor 6:9-10 workers of evil will not inherit the kingdom
• Gal 5:19-21 evil doers will not inherit the kingdom
• Romans 3:23 the evil generations in which there lies no good are these that are no good, not the entirety of man else that would add in good men of the bible like Noah (corresponds to psalm 14)
• Eccl 7:18-20 the generations are wicked and their righteous within them are few as v 18 say to come from them all(come out from a multitude)
• Romans 6:23 wages of sin is death
• Genesis 2:17 the day you disobey and eat of the fruit forbidden you will surely die (whole thing is physical)
• Gen 3:2-6 Eve knew the fruit was evil(v.3) satan lied(v.4-5) Eve decided herself it was good to eat the fruit (v.6)
• Eph 5:3-5 flee sin as you become saints(clearly we can be saints-not to be idols), sinners will not inherit the kingdom
• Romans 5:12-14 death as punishment over those who have sin and those who haven’t/death reigned because of sin, sin didn’t reign/even before the law sin surely was present yet not regarded
• Coll 3:5-6 wrath of God is over those who sin and disobey
• Eccl 7:29 God made man good but man sought sin by their own desires(being their own gods)
• Gen 1:26-31 God made man in His image, God saw all He made was good
• Psalm 90:5-6 talking about the wicked, they grow and flourish for a short time but then die quickly in their own lusts
• Hebrews 10:26 to sin after repentance has no more sacrifice
• Hebrews 6:4-6 renewing unto repentance is shameful
• 1 john 3:5-10 whoever sins is of the devil alone, he who is of God does not sin
• 1 john 5:18-19 whoever sins is not of God

OKAY I COULD BASICALLY PUT THE WHOLE BIBLE BUT YOU GET THE IDEA YOU DON’T HAVE TO LOOK FAR TO SEE THESE TRUTHS
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They will contend for sin nature, it is always the battle line between the wicked and the just.
The just admit they have sinned, the wicked will not take accountability.
If they believe they were born evil, then they have not yet admitted they are sinners, and still in darkness and have called God a liar.
They will confess they sin, but they will not confess why.
They confess they sin because of someone else, or blame their sin elsewhere.
But they will not confess they sin because of what Jesus said, which is the reason they sin is because choose to sin, even though they have full ability not to, and the reason they choose to sin is because they LOVE evil, and HATE God.


All sinners are God haters.


They will not admit they are sinners.


Bottom line, if they say they have a sinful nature,
They have not yet admitted they are sinners,
and have called God a liar.
They will die in their rebellion.

(John 7:7 [KJV])
The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

I want to understand what you are trying to say, Audreaya.

Do you believe man is born basically good?
Or, do you believe man is born with a bent toward sin that leads him to commit acts of sin (unless he accepts God's grace by faith)?

Why do you say: "Bottom line, if they say they have a sinful nature, They have not yet admitted they are sinners,"?

 

[Chester]

Audreaya - I believe that man was born with a bent toward sin inherited through Adam: on the other hand we are born created in the image of God with a spirit that has a longing and a pulling toward God. This bent (sin nature I call it) is not what condemns us unless we choose to follow it - thus man who follows his own way and sins stands condemned before God because of his own choices, not because "God created him this way".

thus, as you say we must admit we are sinners and then through the grace of God we can respond by faith and believe in his Son Jesus Christ for salvation . . .

Is this what you believe? or how is your belief different than this?

 

[Dino246]

Hmmm... so far the OP (age 20) has come in, made two posts in which she swings a large club, condemns everyone (other than herself) to hell, and implies that she (alone) understands the "good news".

Great way to have a discussion, and great way to promote fellowship among believers. Umm, no.

I see no reason to continue reading the narrow-minded, imprecatory ravings of an inadequately-educated newbie so clearly lacking in both life experience and grace.

 

[LaurenTM]

Truth is not frightening? That is absurd, the truth of hell(for instance) is terrifying to the extreme. I totally disagree with your statement about a deceiving spirit, a deceiving would never tell someone to fear God, just the opposite is true. There is a lot of truth in what this person has written. Perfect love does cast out fear, however fear comes first, if that is not there as it should be there will be no perfect love.

well that is your view and you are welcome to it

go ahead and fear..perfect love casts out fear

so who shall I live by? YOUR words, the ops or God's?

focus on Jesus y'all and hell will receive the ones for whom it was created

 

[LaurenTM]

Hmmm... so far the OP (age 20) has come in, made two posts in which she swings a large club, condemns everyone (other than herself) to hell, and implies that she (alone) understands the "good news".

Great way to have a discussion, and great way to promote fellowship among believers. Umm, no.

I see no reason to continue reading the narrow-minded, imprecatory ravings of an inadequately-educated newbie so clearly lacking in both life experience and grace.

it makes no sense for anyone to come on here and blast everyone

so...if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck...well maybe it's a duck?

or troll...or older banned member returning...or a self appointed prophet..or...

what is worse are folks who try to actually glean something worthwhile from this

just add some scripture to whatever you have to say it seems, and people will think God sent you

 

[Dagallen]

All have sin unknowingly and many sin knowingly but no one was born with a sinful nature, as sin is a learned behavior, no one is born that way.

 

[Ariel82]

Romans 5
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.


*** that right there folks, is the Gospel. Now you can spot the fools gold folks try to swindle you with.***

 

[Dagallen]

Yes all have fallen to sin just as it is written and did so at first unknowingly.

 

[PeterJens]

Fear is the measure of wisdom.
In Christ walking in the Spirit we need have no fear of judgement.

How well do we walk? How holy and pure are we?
If we know love in and through us then peace reigns in our hearts.

 

[wolfwint]

Only 20 years old and already an active stumbling block against God's magnificent grace. Where do you people come from?

I would be not so hard against Audreaya. Me seems it is better to have little more fear, as the verses which she quoted teaches us, then many christians which show disrespect to the scripture and that what the word of god says.
Maby because of this she coems to this conclusion.
Clear is, that our old nature is still acting, so long as our soul lives in it.
Yes it is grace, that we are saved! And it is grace that we can reach our goal. Allone we could not!

 

[wolfwint]

The FALSE Gospel being preached is BACKWARDS.
The False Gospel:
You get saved “in sin”, and sanctification is lifelong, but yet, the sin never stops, and you don't say you are going to sin your whole life you are a liar. Or you need Jesus to enter in to you, and make you stop sinning, or you can sin after becoming born again, and not enough room to mention all the other false doctrines, They come in many forms, and fancy names, “gradual sanctification”, “Calvinism”.


All that is a lie. What you Pastor won’t tell you is that - he that commits sin NOT a child of God, but a CHILD OF THE DEVIL.


The narrow way, the terrifying soul purging truths.
If you HAVE NO FEAR OF GOD, you do not know Him, and are under a false Gospel.


The TRUE Gospel: You don’t have a sin nature. You have a free will, God created you good to glorify Him. The knowledge of God is in us all. Rom 1:20. You rebelled and willfully chose to serve Satan. Jesus died to ransom you from Satan because when you sinned, you sold your sold to the devil, and became the devil's property, and needed to be bought back.


SEEK God diligently, Hear, you MUST HEAR and STOP arguing with the Word of God, and HEAR that for the sins you are committing right now, you are a child of the devil FEAR GOD!!! TREMBLE in fear, fall on your face in FEAR, Repent and turn from sin in godly sorrow broken hearted, Obey from the heart in broken humility proving faith by deeds worthy of repentance. If you have stolen, give back. Crucify your flesh, (which is the carnal mind) you must die. Be Baptized. A DEAD MAN goes into the water, The Holy Spirit enters a clean vessel and fellowship is restored a new creature is born fit for the Master’s use. Dead men don’t sin. The sin STOPS in repentance. If you are still living in sin, you are NOT Born Again and have been lied to. The Holy Spirit does not enter into an unclean vessel.
To be born again, the old man must die. To rebel again after this is fatal.
Man cannot crucify Jesus over and over, like they did with animals.
Salvation is a one-time gift, once per person. You cannot sin, repent, sin, repent, till the day you die.
This is false. There will be no repenting in the Kingdom of God.
What you are on the day of your death, is who you will be in eternity, and you will not be allowed in.
No criminals will be allowed in the Kingdom.


Salvation is offered for past sins, old sin.


Many preach Holiness, but I have yet to hear anyone preaching these frightening truths from the Word of God.


These are the frightening truths. Until a person comes to these truths, there is no fear of God,
And without the FEAR OF GOD, they have never met God.
The Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. If you have no fear of God, you have not yet begun.
It is by the FEAR of God, men depart from iniquity. PERMANENTLY.
There is no pride in fear. In fear of God, a person can love others, because they will see everyone
Better than themselves. True Biblical humility.
It is by this soul purging fear, fall on your face as dead fear of God that men depart from sin.
And it is only by walking in the FEAR of God, they keep from sin.


Spend the time of your sojourning here in fear.
FEAR GOD, come to the knowledge of the truth today.


Satan was a liar. YOU WILL surely die.
The sin stops FIRST, or God does not hear your prayers.
The reason men sin is because they LOVE TO.

Audreaya, do you know somebody who lives without doing any sin? I dont know somebody!

 

[samuel23]

I do not think that any born again Christian loves to sin, I believe that if a real Christian sins they gave in to pressure from the world the flesh or the Devil or all three. Satan works through the world and the flesh in order to get us to sin. I remember a young fellow who was boasting about how he was going to stand up for God while being in an ungodly environment in the military. Within an hour of making that boast he was chasing another guy down a hallway and throwing something at him. Such actions would be called a sin and the young fellow had to ask forgiveness from God. We can have the best of intentions and still end up doing something wrong.

 

[Grace777x70]

I do not think that any born again Christian loves to sin, I believe that if a real Christian sins they gave in to pressure from the world the flesh or the Devil or all three. Satan works through the world and the flesh in order to get us to sin. I remember a young fellow who was boasting about how he was going to stand up for God while being in an ungodly environment in the military. Within an hour of making that boast he was chasing another guy down a hallway and throwing something at him. Such actions would be called a sin and the young fellow had to ask forgiveness from God. We can have the best of intentions and still end up doing something wrong.

That is a great example of the Law which incites us to sin. As soon as that guy made that law and said " I am going to stand up for God". Sin became active and the next thing he knew - he was doing the very thing he said he wouldn't do. This shows the law of Moses works just the way that Paul said it did!

Increasing sin in the flesh is one of the reasons for the Law that was brought in.

Romans 5:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,


Another example is tell a bunch of kids not to walk on the grass and some of them will deliberately walk on it as soon as you turn your head.

 

[Awakened]

I John 3:4 says that sin is the transgression of the law.

What about the time between Adam and Moses? There was no written Law of God for them to break. Therefore, they couldn’t have broken any of God’s Laws.They still suffered the consequences of sin.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18)

This says, He came to fulfill the Law and nothing would disappear from it until everything was accomplished. He did accomplish it. Does that mean it disappeared, if so, are we now like the people from the time of Adam to Moses?

Although we are not judged by the written Law, we are still judged by our conscience and guilt because of the Knowledge of Good and evil written in our hearts?



Romans 2:13
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another


I'm so confused. Lol

 

[samuel23]

The part of the law that required all the animal sacrifices and other forms of cleansing are done away with period. The laws that define right and wrong are still in effect, if it was wrong to steal something in the OT then it is wrong to steal something in the NT. The difference is that you could be put to death under the OT but under the NT you can be forgiven if you ask God in Jesus name. So the morale law that defines right and wrong is still in effect, however we are not justified by trying to follow that law we are justified by faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Awakened]

The part of the law that required all the animal sacrifices and other forms of cleansing are done away with period. The laws that define right and wrong are still in effect, if it was wrong to steal something in the OT then it is wrong to steal something in the NT. The difference is that you could be put to death under the OT but under the NT you can be forgiven if you ask God in Jesus name. So the morale law that defines right and wrong is still in effect, however we are not justified by trying to follow that law we are justified by faith in Jesus Christ.

That brings me to another question. If the law required animal sacrifices for cleansing, why we're there sacrifices before the law?

I John 3:4 says that sin is the transgression of the law.

God required animal sacrifices to provide a temporary covering of sins.
Noah and Abraham offered animal sacrifices to the Lord prior to the Law of Moses.

Genesis 8:20 (KJV)

20 And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Genesis 22:13
13 Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram[a] caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called that place The Lord Will Provide. And to this day it is said, “On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided.


Genesis 4:4(KJV)

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lordhad respect unto Abel and to his offering

 

[samuel23]

God obviously taught Adam and Eve about animal sacrifices as a covering for sin so that they could approach God. First God got rid of the leaf coverings that Adam and Eve wore and killed innocent animals and gave the skins for coverings for Adam and Eve, by doing this the Lord make it plane that the death of an innocent was needed to cover their sin. The law just expounded on the animal sacrifices.

 

[Incandescence]

It is unfortunate how easily people perpetuate misconceptions that cast a shadow and doubt on the Perfection of Almighty, in the delusion they are testifying honorable to it! An example is the misconception of the "animal sacrifices". To assume the Almighty required animal sacrifices and blood due to sin is to reduce the Sublimity of Almighty God to the level of a barbarian and bloodthirsty heathen. Just think about it objectively for once...blood! Who today would think a person sane if they shed an animals blood to appease the heavens? The Almighty Father, regardless of what is noted in any text, has never required man to shed this and that blood as a sacrifice to appease Him! Never. If it is "written", it is either a misconception/misstatement by the writer or an allegory not meant to be taken literal.

Just think about it for once logically, employ your powers of reasoning unconstrained by dogma...how does shedding blood even help man understand and conquer his sin? The notion that blood is require to cover sins appeases mankinds indolence in his desire to outsource the responsibility of conquering himself to another! For he need only kill something else... and he is then good to go! Free! How easy and effortless it is, and it need cost him nothing by means of a true effort! The laziness in this orientation must uncomfortably strike the earnest seeker as strange! If a person does wrong, slaughtering does not help him learn to understand, to see clearly, to deepen in his wisdom, to gain insight, to better himself, to clarify his misconception and then act differently. If the source of the sin was a misconception, erroneous idea, selfish ambition, or evil volition deep within man, how is this corrected by an arbitrary slaughtering and shedding of blood externally? How is the root of the iniquity within his heart conquered simply by a savage bloodbath? In addition, how can this even "cover his sins"? If the sin emerged spiritually from within his heart, how can a crude external act cure man of the misdeed? For even if you "forgive" the sin by this savage deed, the root tendency is still uncured within man. And if the root tendency is not addressed and overcome through personal transformation, he has not been helped. He has only been given an excuse to continue sinning!

Discard this horrendous misconception that besmirches the wisdom and Perfection of Almighty God! No one is freed from sin by blood sacrifice. Only a change in his inner life can sow new seeds that bring a new harvest that consequently make him and everything connected therein new. Man is made new through living the Word, through using his volition to will in purity according to the Divine Will. However, since no man can will for another, no man can think for another, and since sin arises solely through this inner willing, it follows that no man can be accountable for the sins of another nor take them away. For his sins to be "covered", he will need to sacrifice through a change in his inner life by a recognition of his iniquity and a conquest of himself by doing better and applying the Word! Therein lies the only "sacrifice" that will free him.

But God the Father has never required the shedding of blood for the covering of sins! For this is illogical, contradicts His Will, and does not help man one bit. This is a complete falsehood that must now come to an end.