Israel is NOT the Church and the Church is NOT Israel.
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Except that there is some indication Bush&co. placed explosives on the levees causing the deadly flooding. We can also ascertain for a fact that evil, corrupt individuals within the halls of government...can create artificial hurricanes...as reported by the Wall Street Journal and the BBC.
A whoooole lot of money to be made from 'hurricane repair'.
A few months previous to the news reports, we have the acknowledgment of Secy' of Defense William Cohen (under Clinton) acknowledging (with some weird double-talking references to Alvin Toeffler) that the technology exists to engage "in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves".
Oh boy. Have to start yet another thread, perhaps?
A whoooole lot of money to be made from 'hurricane repair'.
A few months previous to the news reports, we have the acknowledgment of Secy' of Defense William Cohen (under Clinton) acknowledging (with some weird double-talking references to Alvin Toeffler) that the technology exists to engage "in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves".
Oh boy. Have to start yet another thread, perhaps?
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A lot of people look over the obvious in the new testament. Jesus came first to save his people the Jews, Israel.
Now you can say " yes potter but they rejected him" you think God didn't know that? Read the prophecies again.
God was well aware of what would transpire. Being that perfect time he sent his son. Now did God make a mistake on his timing? Don't think so. As the gracious father he is and the table being set for the feast why let the food spoil.
Invite everyone to the feast. Not just the Jews. Huge piece of grace right here. By blinding Israel he saved Israel. How can you judge a blind man for not seeing? What happens at the second coming? They look on him who was pierced. 144000, saved.
Look at the conversion of Saul to paul. Ever question the scales on his eyes that suddenly appeared...why was he blinded? So he could be led to the truth. I believe Saul was the representation of Israel in the future.
That the way I see it...might be wrong ...but that what I got out of scripture.
Now you can say " yes potter but they rejected him" you think God didn't know that? Read the prophecies again.
God was well aware of what would transpire. Being that perfect time he sent his son. Now did God make a mistake on his timing? Don't think so. As the gracious father he is and the table being set for the feast why let the food spoil.
Invite everyone to the feast. Not just the Jews. Huge piece of grace right here. By blinding Israel he saved Israel. How can you judge a blind man for not seeing? What happens at the second coming? They look on him who was pierced. 144000, saved.
Look at the conversion of Saul to paul. Ever question the scales on his eyes that suddenly appeared...why was he blinded? So he could be led to the truth. I believe Saul was the representation of Israel in the future.
That the way I see it...might be wrong ...but that what I got out of scripture.
Just go down the list of questions,
Did Israel in ad70 worship Rome as the beast or did they revolt against them? Did they bow down to Caesar as God or did they or did they refuse? Did Israel refuse to use the money of Rome or did they mint their own?
Then flop it around the other way and look at the question about Church/Israel,
Church,did the apostles teach the church to honour the authorities above them,the governors,the masters ect. which then was Rome and tell them to give to them their due.
If so then who has which mark on their foreheads is it the ones who refuse to use the money of Rome or the one who was told to honor the master above them?
So then the one who was destroyed in ad70 did not use the money of Rome and did not give in to their authority and the ones who fled and did use it and obeyed the scriptures were spared.
Did Israel in ad70 worship Rome as the beast or did they revolt against them? Did they bow down to Caesar as God or did they or did they refuse? Did Israel refuse to use the money of Rome or did they mint their own?
Then flop it around the other way and look at the question about Church/Israel,
Church,did the apostles teach the church to honour the authorities above them,the governors,the masters ect. which then was Rome and tell them to give to them their due.
If so then who has which mark on their foreheads is it the ones who refuse to use the money of Rome or the one who was told to honor the master above them?
So then the one who was destroyed in ad70 did not use the money of Rome and did not give in to their authority and the ones who fled and did use it and obeyed the scriptures were spared.
Examine Revelation 13:15 ,
We know that the ones who rebelled in the war ad70 were killed,so if Rome was the beast and they refused to worship the image then all is well with rev.13;15 (they were killed) but then that would mean that the Christians were not killed because they did (just pointing out that it would be completely backward).
We know that the ones who rebelled in the war ad70 were killed,so if Rome was the beast and they refused to worship the image then all is well with rev.13;15 (they were killed) but then that would mean that the Christians were not killed because they did (just pointing out that it would be completely backward).
Hi Ahwatukee,,,, hope this finds you and yours well.
I have never worried about what I was in the labeling system. I am a fundamentalist who reads the Bible literally plus all of the other hermeneutical properties the Bible requires in order to be read properly. I ran across an article by John McArthur where he discusses dispensationalism. Below are some excepts. I hope you know this is not really for you but others as you and I see things pretty well the same way with the exception(maybe) of some the parts of dispensationalism.
John McAthur states it very well: "The earliest and most foundational and helpful comprehension of dispensationalism was:
"That the Bible taught a unique place for Israel and that the Church could not fulfill God's promises to Israel, therefore, there is a still a future and a kingdom involving the salvation and the restoration and the reign of the nation Israel (historical Jews)."(1)
The above statement like Mr. McArthur, I can handle and believe in. However, it seems dispensationalism has changed since it was first introduced.
".........dispensationalism became the term for something that grew out of that and got carried away because it got more, and more, and more compounded. Not only was there a distinction between the Church and Israel, but there was a distinction between the new covenant for the Church, and the new covenant for Israel. And then there could become a distinction between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven; and there could become a distinction in the teaching of Jesus, between what He said for this age and what He said for the Millennial Age; and they started to even go beyond that; and then there were some books in the New Testament for the Church and some books in the New Testament for the Jews, and it just kept going and going and going until it became this very confounded kind of system. You see it, for example, in a Scofield Bible and other places. If you want to see it in graphic form . . . in a book by Clarence Larkin . . . and all kinds of charts and all kinds of things that try to explain this very complex system." (1)
These new properties were what I was referring to when I stated in a previous post #4... "To be Blunt about all of the above,,,, All of them (in my opinion) are anti-sematic in one form or the other." (2)
Thank you for your insight of the Bible and being able to communicate that with others.
References
(1)... John MacArthur and Dispensationalism And Our Response; John MacArthur and Dispensationalism
(2)...Bladerunner Post #4, Israel is NOT the Church and the Church is NOT Israel.
I have never worried about what I was in the labeling system. I am a fundamentalist who reads the Bible literally plus all of the other hermeneutical properties the Bible requires in order to be read properly. I ran across an article by John McArthur where he discusses dispensationalism. Below are some excepts. I hope you know this is not really for you but others as you and I see things pretty well the same way with the exception(maybe) of some the parts of dispensationalism.
John McAthur states it very well: "The earliest and most foundational and helpful comprehension of dispensationalism was:
"That the Bible taught a unique place for Israel and that the Church could not fulfill God's promises to Israel, therefore, there is a still a future and a kingdom involving the salvation and the restoration and the reign of the nation Israel (historical Jews)."(1)
The above statement like Mr. McArthur, I can handle and believe in. However, it seems dispensationalism has changed since it was first introduced.
".........dispensationalism became the term for something that grew out of that and got carried away because it got more, and more, and more compounded. Not only was there a distinction between the Church and Israel, but there was a distinction between the new covenant for the Church, and the new covenant for Israel. And then there could become a distinction between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven; and there could become a distinction in the teaching of Jesus, between what He said for this age and what He said for the Millennial Age; and they started to even go beyond that; and then there were some books in the New Testament for the Church and some books in the New Testament for the Jews, and it just kept going and going and going until it became this very confounded kind of system. You see it, for example, in a Scofield Bible and other places. If you want to see it in graphic form . . . in a book by Clarence Larkin . . . and all kinds of charts and all kinds of things that try to explain this very complex system." (1)
These new properties were what I was referring to when I stated in a previous post #4... "To be Blunt about all of the above,,,, All of them (in my opinion) are anti-sematic in one form or the other." (2)
Thank you for your insight of the Bible and being able to communicate that with others.
References
(1)... John MacArthur and Dispensationalism And Our Response; John MacArthur and Dispensationalism
(2)...Bladerunner Post #4, Israel is NOT the Church and the Church is NOT Israel.
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Hey Bladrunner! Hope all is well.
Yes, I totally agree with you. I believe that wherever God's truth is, there is always satanic counterfeits, especially in these last days. I whole-heatedly believe that we are living in those days of when Paul wrote to Timothy saying,
"the time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine. But to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. The will abandon the truth and turn aside to myths."
To put it into perspective for these last days, I believe that those teachers are You Tube, websites, books written by men, seminars and hearsay. One of the biggest problems that I see today and I am sure that you do as well, is that expositors are applying symbolic interpretations to what is meant to be literal, which distorts the meaning of what God means to convey.
This issue regarding replacement theology is a result of that as well. When God told Abraham "I will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you I will curse," I believe that this is still in effect. So, those who are believing and teaching that God is no longer concerned with His people Israel and that the church has taken their place, I believe that this would fall under the category of cursing Israel. By their attitude, it definitely appears that they are anti-semantic.
And the Lord bless you as well as you continue to contend for the truth of His word.
Yes, I totally agree with you. I believe that wherever God's truth is, there is always satanic counterfeits, especially in these last days. I whole-heatedly believe that we are living in those days of when Paul wrote to Timothy saying,
"the time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine. But to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. The will abandon the truth and turn aside to myths."
To put it into perspective for these last days, I believe that those teachers are You Tube, websites, books written by men, seminars and hearsay. One of the biggest problems that I see today and I am sure that you do as well, is that expositors are applying symbolic interpretations to what is meant to be literal, which distorts the meaning of what God means to convey.
This issue regarding replacement theology is a result of that as well. When God told Abraham "I will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you I will curse," I believe that this is still in effect. So, those who are believing and teaching that God is no longer concerned with His people Israel and that the church has taken their place, I believe that this would fall under the category of cursing Israel. By their attitude, it definitely appears that they are anti-semantic.
And the Lord bless you as well as you continue to contend for the truth of His word.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
This is happening now,but not to the extent that this scripture portrays,and some people do not understand that there is more involved with these scriptures than common hypocrisy,and anti-semitism.
This is not common hypocrisy among people who claim Jesus as Lord,for that hypocrisy is not based on fables,but reality,although wrong,and these fables are the imaginations of people not based in reality that do not claim Jesus as Lord,and do not claim Him as Savior,but a good teacher of spiritual enlightenment.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
A movement that is out now that interprets the Bible according to the occult,nature worship,and witchcraft,harnessing the power of nature,which the man of sin,beast,will be from this movement and will push it for three and one half years before he claims to be God,and this movement will unify the religions with a false interpretation of Christianity,Islam,and Judaism,and all are valid for spiritual evolution.
When this movement unifies the religions which stops the fighting between them for all are valid it will be the time they will not want to hear the truth of the Bible,what has been taught for thousands of years,but want to hear it according to their own lusts,which that movement is about harnessing the power of nature for personal power,and will turn their ears from the truth and be turned unto fables,which this movement is fables,the imaginations of people,the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,honoring the God of forces,the evolutionary process,which it is spiritual evolution now for people.
So while this movement is influencing now it is not entirely covering the time when they will not want to hear the Bible,but according to their own lusts,which is when the unified religious system is in place,for all is valid and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and if someone tries to convert someone to their religion,or the path they choose,they will be guilty of a hate crime punishable in the international court system,for all are valid and whatever path you want to take.
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,and the man of sin steps in to the temple of God showing he is God,which the falling away is when the unified religious system is in place for they will not want to hear the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts based on that movement's false interpretation of the Bible compatible with all religions,for they have all basically the same belief,and the man of sin will be of that movement and push it,and will claim to be God and convince the world he has harnessed the power of nature and obtained power,and the false prophet will do miracles in the sight of people to convince them that the beast did receive power through nature,and shared this power with the false prophet,and the beast can share this power with all who follow him,which is what the unified religions system was all about,and what they were striving for the harnessing of nature for power.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
This is not in place yet to the extent of these scriptures,although that movement is influencing now,but when this is in place according to these scriptures it will be very difficult for the saints to influence anybody during the unified religious system,and Christianity will be on a rapid decline in impacting the world,and the world will follow the beast and make war against the saints and when they scatter their power then the saints shall be gathered unto Christ.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
This is happening now,but not to the extent that this scripture portrays,and some people do not understand that there is more involved with these scriptures than common hypocrisy,and anti-semitism.
This is not common hypocrisy among people who claim Jesus as Lord,for that hypocrisy is not based on fables,but reality,although wrong,and these fables are the imaginations of people not based in reality that do not claim Jesus as Lord,and do not claim Him as Savior,but a good teacher of spiritual enlightenment.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
A movement that is out now that interprets the Bible according to the occult,nature worship,and witchcraft,harnessing the power of nature,which the man of sin,beast,will be from this movement and will push it for three and one half years before he claims to be God,and this movement will unify the religions with a false interpretation of Christianity,Islam,and Judaism,and all are valid for spiritual evolution.
When this movement unifies the religions which stops the fighting between them for all are valid it will be the time they will not want to hear the truth of the Bible,what has been taught for thousands of years,but want to hear it according to their own lusts,which that movement is about harnessing the power of nature for personal power,and will turn their ears from the truth and be turned unto fables,which this movement is fables,the imaginations of people,the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,honoring the God of forces,the evolutionary process,which it is spiritual evolution now for people.
So while this movement is influencing now it is not entirely covering the time when they will not want to hear the Bible,but according to their own lusts,which is when the unified religious system is in place,for all is valid and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and if someone tries to convert someone to their religion,or the path they choose,they will be guilty of a hate crime punishable in the international court system,for all are valid and whatever path you want to take.
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,and the man of sin steps in to the temple of God showing he is God,which the falling away is when the unified religious system is in place for they will not want to hear the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts based on that movement's false interpretation of the Bible compatible with all religions,for they have all basically the same belief,and the man of sin will be of that movement and push it,and will claim to be God and convince the world he has harnessed the power of nature and obtained power,and the false prophet will do miracles in the sight of people to convince them that the beast did receive power through nature,and shared this power with the false prophet,and the beast can share this power with all who follow him,which is what the unified religions system was all about,and what they were striving for the harnessing of nature for power.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
This is not in place yet to the extent of these scriptures,although that movement is influencing now,but when this is in place according to these scriptures it will be very difficult for the saints to influence anybody during the unified religious system,and Christianity will be on a rapid decline in impacting the world,and the world will follow the beast and make war against the saints and when they scatter their power then the saints shall be gathered unto Christ.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Israel is the Church,and when a Gentile is saved they become part of the commonwealth of Israel,for it is Israel all the way from Abraham to the New Jerusalem,first a physical dominion,which it will be restored to them,and then a spiritual dominion with it pattered after Israel,and us Gentiles get to be a part of it and are no longer strangers and foreigners,both of the kingdom restored to them,and the New Jerusalem,for they will have the physical dominion back and it will lead up to the spiritual dominion.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Israel is the Church,and when a Gentile is saved they become part of the commonwealth of Israel,for it is Israel all the way from Abraham to the New Jerusalem,first a physical dominion,which it will be restored to them,and then a spiritual dominion with it pattered after Israel,and us Gentiles get to be a part of it and are no longer strangers and foreigners,both of the kingdom restored to them,and the New Jerusalem,for they will have the physical dominion back and it will lead up to the spiritual dominion.
Greetings iamsoandso,
First, one needs to understand that the wrath of God that is coming will be unprecedented. Though the first 3 1/2 years will also see the horrors of the seals and the trumpet judgments, regarding that last 3 1/2 years, Jesus said that it would be a time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen, from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again. And that if those days were allowed to go on any longer, that no one on earth would be left alive. The reason why the last 3 1/2 years is referred to as "the great tribulation" is because, not only will the seals, trumpets and the bowls be in operation, but the middle of the seven years is when that abomination will be set up and it will also be when the beast stands in the temple proclaiming himself to be God, which will cause the desolation of Israel/Judea.
That said, the destruction of the temple in 70 AD pales greatly in comparison to what is written about the great tribulation. Not only will God be dealing with Israel, but the rest of the world as well, as demonstrated in Daniel 2:31-45. Another thing to understand is that, at the end of that seven years is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. Since that has obviously not happened, then these events are yet to be fulfilled in the future.
Regarding the "mark of the beast," there has been no time in history except for this current generation where this system could control buying and selling as described in Rev.13:16. For except anyone had the mark, they would not be able to buy or sell. To put it into perspective, buying and selling is the electronic crediting and debiting of ones bank account. The system that the mark will utilize is already here and has been here for some time. Currently, people are swiping their bank cards and using their cell phone bank apps to electronically credit and debit their bank accounts. This technology will continue to evolve leading up to that device that will go in the right hand or forehead throughout the last 3 1/2 years.
Regarding the technology for the mark, people in Sweden are already being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of the hand, which will continue to evolve leading up to the revealing of that antichrist.
Also, that last seven years and the coming of that antichrist, is directly linked with the Lord's return at the end of the seven years to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. Regarding this, consider the following:
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’[SUP]i[/SUP] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming." - 2 Thes.2:8
"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur." - Rev.19:20
All three verses above that are highlighted in red are referring to the same person and same event. When the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, the beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. The end that is decreed that is poured out upon him mentioned in Dan.9:27 is referring to when the Lord returns to end the age where he and false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire. Needless to say, since the antichrist has not yet been revealed, nor has the beast been released from the Abyss, then the event of Dan..9:27 could not have yet take place and is therefore still future.
First, one needs to understand that the wrath of God that is coming will be unprecedented. Though the first 3 1/2 years will also see the horrors of the seals and the trumpet judgments, regarding that last 3 1/2 years, Jesus said that it would be a time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen, from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again. And that if those days were allowed to go on any longer, that no one on earth would be left alive. The reason why the last 3 1/2 years is referred to as "the great tribulation" is because, not only will the seals, trumpets and the bowls be in operation, but the middle of the seven years is when that abomination will be set up and it will also be when the beast stands in the temple proclaiming himself to be God, which will cause the desolation of Israel/Judea.
That said, the destruction of the temple in 70 AD pales greatly in comparison to what is written about the great tribulation. Not only will God be dealing with Israel, but the rest of the world as well, as demonstrated in Daniel 2:31-45. Another thing to understand is that, at the end of that seven years is when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. Since that has obviously not happened, then these events are yet to be fulfilled in the future.
Regarding the "mark of the beast," there has been no time in history except for this current generation where this system could control buying and selling as described in Rev.13:16. For except anyone had the mark, they would not be able to buy or sell. To put it into perspective, buying and selling is the electronic crediting and debiting of ones bank account. The system that the mark will utilize is already here and has been here for some time. Currently, people are swiping their bank cards and using their cell phone bank apps to electronically credit and debit their bank accounts. This technology will continue to evolve leading up to that device that will go in the right hand or forehead throughout the last 3 1/2 years.
Regarding the technology for the mark, people in Sweden are already being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of the hand, which will continue to evolve leading up to the revealing of that antichrist.
Also, that last seven years and the coming of that antichrist, is directly linked with the Lord's return at the end of the seven years to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. Regarding this, consider the following:
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’[SUP]i[/SUP] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming." - 2 Thes.2:8
"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur." - Rev.19:20
All three verses above that are highlighted in red are referring to the same person and same event. When the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, the beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. The end that is decreed that is poured out upon him mentioned in Dan.9:27 is referring to when the Lord returns to end the age where he and false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire. Needless to say, since the antichrist has not yet been revealed, nor has the beast been released from the Abyss, then the event of Dan..9:27 could not have yet take place and is therefore still future.
In the Old Testament God's people were so by physicality. In the New Testament God's people are so spiritually. You will find the transition in John 1. Christ came to His own people, but His own would not receive Him, so He switched to adoption. He granted all peoples to become God's children- not by a husband's decision (physical) but born of God- and these are now spiritual Israel. We are children of Abraham according to the promise "ALL peoples on earth will be blessed through YOU (Abraham).
What then for the physical Israelites? Just as we are grafted into the vine (baptism), they also may be grafted back into their own vine by the same means. "Here there are no Gentile or Jew, male nor female, slave nor free, but Christ is all and is in all." Today, those who are outside of Christ are not Israel, and those who are in Christ are Israel.
"For there is given one name by whom ALL MUST be saved- Jesus Christ."
What then for the physical Israelites? Just as we are grafted into the vine (baptism), they also may be grafted back into their own vine by the same means. "Here there are no Gentile or Jew, male nor female, slave nor free, but Christ is all and is in all." Today, those who are outside of Christ are not Israel, and those who are in Christ are Israel.
"For there is given one name by whom ALL MUST be saved- Jesus Christ."
Dispensationalism was an invention of Cyrus Scofield. It is a main feature of his notes that he added to his own edited version of the KJV Bible. The US is the main area that the whole system took root. I know that some believe America is Gods own country but calling every none Dispensationalist a Heretic means that firstly you follow Schofield and secondly
if true The Kingdom of Heaven will be filled with Americans
if true The Kingdom of Heaven will be filled with Americans
Aw, "dcontro" you approved this message. I'm hurt! That's OK. I have such unusual views on a large number of issues, I have zero expectations of anyone agreeing with all of them! No hard feelings.
But anyway...it all goes back to how one views the big picture of geopolitics from a biblical perspective. There were nothing but occultist/Luciferians behind the push to create the modern state of Israel. Some of the multitude of proofs for this would be...the great, big satanic symbol placed smack on the flag of Israel, just for openers. The plethora of satanic/occult symbolism plastered all over Israeli government buildings, as another.
Lord Balfour (of "Balfour Declaration" fame in 1917) was himself an occultist/Luciferian who held seances and other occult rituals in his home.
Most Bible Christians have failed to keep their eye on the ball: There is NO biblically-based moral authorization for armies to enter into Palestine and kick out (what were) the current owners and residents in 1948.
All you're seeing in 1967 is a failed attempt of people trying to gain back that which had been taken from them.
But this should have its own thread, I imagine.
But anyway...it all goes back to how one views the big picture of geopolitics from a biblical perspective. There were nothing but occultist/Luciferians behind the push to create the modern state of Israel. Some of the multitude of proofs for this would be...the great, big satanic symbol placed smack on the flag of Israel, just for openers. The plethora of satanic/occult symbolism plastered all over Israeli government buildings, as another.
Lord Balfour (of "Balfour Declaration" fame in 1917) was himself an occultist/Luciferian who held seances and other occult rituals in his home.
Most Bible Christians have failed to keep their eye on the ball: There is NO biblically-based moral authorization for armies to enter into Palestine and kick out (what were) the current owners and residents in 1948.
All you're seeing in 1967 is a failed attempt of people trying to gain back that which had been taken from them.
But this should have its own thread, I imagine.
Weren't jews using that as their symbol before 1948?
Israel is not the church. The church is not Israel. Israel is the bride of Jehovah. The church is the bride of Christ. Both have an inheritance in eternity. Both have an expectation of eternal life through the grace of God. Israel because of disobedience is receiving judgment from God. the church is receiving blessing promised to Israel because of Israel's disobedience.
The church is the wild olive graft into the vine. The church is graft in because the natural branch was broken off. The natural branch can and will be graft back in at a future date. Both Israel and the church must draw from the same root which is God. Both share in the inheritance and both share in the blessing although it now in different eras.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The church is the wild olive graft into the vine. The church is graft in because the natural branch was broken off. The natural branch can and will be graft back in at a future date. Both Israel and the church must draw from the same root which is God. Both share in the inheritance and both share in the blessing although it now in different eras.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Oh Boy here we go.
It is obvious you have never studied dispensationalism, Because it root foundation has nothing to do with what you just claimed.
Another conspiracy theorist..
Try to learn what people believe will you? Then, maybe them, if you disagree you can explain why.
Until then you can not BASH or JUDGE what you do not know.
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SO it is just garbage, because you say so. Where is your proof?
Why is it that it seems a certain select group of people apposed to something they do not understand (proven by their posts of what they THINK IT IS, thinks they have the right to just call something garbage
I guess you think this supports your THEORY?
ha ha ha!!