Napkin

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stonesoffire

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Joh 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

Where did the story of a napkin being placed on a plate showing that one would return to dinner originate? It's a nice story, but is it the right understanding of this scripture?

napkin:

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σουδάριον
soudarion
soo-dar'-ee-on
Of Latin origin; a sudarium (sweat cloth), that is, towel (for wiping the perspiration from the face, or binding the face of a corpse): - handerchief, napkin.
Total KJV occurrences: 4

its placed seperate from the linen cloth of the grave clothes. I don't think anything in scripture is without purpose or meaning. Do u see a picture here?



 

stonesoffire

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The Hebrews tied a cloth around their forehead while working as a sweat cloth. Does this help create a picture?

Linen has a message too. Clearly seen in the scriptures.
 
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It definitely has purpose and meaning.....every word of God is inspired and profitable for doctrine, instruction, training and correction....there is a reason........what is your personal view!
 
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I always thought the fact that it was in a separate place was to show that He was walking around somewhere - not just whisked up by God, but literally that He had gotten up, took off the napkin and put it in a different place. I just saw it as proof that He had risen and walked!

I'd like to hear about the linen though...because I don't think He was walking around naked :)
 
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The Hebrews tied a cloth around their forehead while working as a sweat cloth. Does this help create a picture?

Linen has a message too. Clearly seen in the scriptures.
To signify His work was...finished...?
 

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My personal view is that the sweat cloth was seperate from the linen because the works of men must be separated from the righteousness of the saints seen in white (light) linen. Revelations, the book I mean. Yes, it shows the finished work of Jesus stunned.

The priests wore linen under garments because linen itself won't produce sweat. Another picture.

Agreement? Or more seen? Disagree?
 
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In the law of Moses, they were not permitted to mix/wear wool with linen...I've always wondered exactly what the spirit of that was. I may have just caught a glimpse...:)
 
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My personal view is that the sweat cloth was seperate from the linen because the works of men must be separated from the righteousness of the saints seen in white (light) linen. Revelations, the book I mean. Yes, it shows the finished work of Jesus stunned.

The priests wore linen under garments because linen itself won't produce sweat. Another picture.

Agreement? Or more seen? Disagree?
Sweat indicates labor....We are called to enter into HIS REST dia FAITH and not by our own labor as he has already completed the works from the foundation of the world.
 

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I don't really have an opinion...........but am enjoying reading this...........AND, because it is truly a NEW idea presented for discussion here, I'm gonna REP the Author!

Thanks for the Thread.......
 
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I don't really have an opinion...........but am enjoying reading this...........AND, because it is truly a NEW idea presented for discussion here, I'm gonna REP the Author!

Thanks for the Thread.......
That will equal a jump in rep points by like 2 to 3 HAH based upon your 150
 

p_rehbein

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I appreciate anyone presenting a new topic for discussion here...........I mean........you know.......... :)
 

stonesoffire

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In the law of Moses, they were not permitted to mix/wear wool with linen...I've always wondered exactly what the spirit of that was. I may have just caught a glimpse...:)

I see something in this too, but wondering what you glimpsed?
 

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Sweat indicates labor....We are called to enter into HIS REST dia FAITH and not by our own labor as he has already completed the works from the foundation of the world.
amen. I'm always surprised when this gets attacked.
 
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My personal view is that the sweat cloth was seperate from the linen because the works of men must be separated from the righteousness of the saints seen in white (light) linen. Revelations, the book I mean. Yes, it shows the finished work of Jesus stunned.

The priests wore linen under garments because linen itself won't produce sweat. Another picture.

Agreement? Or more seen? Disagree?
Paul said your works are like dirty rags. But dirty rag isn't any ole dirty rag, it's a clothe a woman girds herself with at that time of the month -- a really old school Tampax/napkin. No idea how that fits into what your trying to day, but found another word for napkin in the Bible for you that's unlike the others.
 

p_rehbein

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Matthew Henry wrote a long Commentary on this Chapter from John.

Concerning the napkin, he said this:

Thirdly, When we arise from the death of sin to the life of righteousness, we must leave our grave-clothes behind us, must put off all our corruptions. Fourthly, Christ left those in the grave, as it were, for our use if the grave be a bed to the saints, thus he hath sheeted that bed, and made it ready for them; and the napkin by itself is of use for the mourning survivors to wipe away their tears. [2.] The grave-clothes were found in very good order, which serves for an evidence that his body was not stolen away while men slept. Robbers of tombs have been known to take away the clothes and leave the body; but none [prior to the practices of modern resurrectionists] ever took away the body and left the clothes, especially when it was fine linen and new, Mk. 15:46

As I said earlier.........I don't have a personal opinion, because this is the firs time I have seen this discussed. I am considering all opinions offered, and enjoying the insight.......

Henry's Commentary found here:

John 20 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole ...
 

stonesoffire

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Paul said your works are like dirty rags. But dirty rag isn't any ole dirty rag, it's a clothe a woman girds herself with at that time of the month -- a really old school Tampax/napkin. No idea how that fits into what your trying to day, but found another word for napkin in the Bible for you that's unlike the others.
A bit graphic but truth. :eek: Very interesting. What is the word Lynn?
 

stonesoffire

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Matthew Henry wrote a long Commentary on this Chapter from John.

Concerning the napkin, he said this:

Thirdly, When we arise from the death of sin to the life of righteousness, we must leave our grave-clothes behind us, must put off all our corruptions. Fourthly, Christ left those in the grave, as it were, for our use if the grave be a bed to the saints, thus he hath sheeted that bed, and made it ready for them; and the napkin by itself is of use for the mourning survivors to wipe away their tears. [2.] The grave-clothes were found in very good order, which serves for an evidence that his body was not stolen away while men slept. Robbers of tombs have been known to take away the clothes and leave the body; but none [prior to the practices of modern resurrectionists] ever took away the body and left the clothes, especially when it was fine linen and new, Mk. 15:46

As I said earlier.........I don't have a personal opinion, because this is the firs time I have seen this discussed. I am considering all opinions offered, and enjoying the insight.......

Henry's Commentary found here:

John 20 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole ...
I could see the correlation of Henrys comment with the cloth worn around the head. They wouldn't want to wipe their tears on their robe would they? ;) I like this a lot better than the napkin on the plate story because I think of our meals today. Didn't they recline on their sides around the meal?
Thanks for this!