What to say to my friend who believes in some of the bible but not the virgin birth?

[Rudimental]

So I have this one friend, I guess you could call him my best friend, I love this boy, he's the only person I've ever met that has opened my mind to things that I never even knew about before. No other person I've ever met has ever taught me about the same things as he has. He's educated, he's read more books than most people have watched DVD's. But he's not a true believer, he says he believes in something, some creator, but not everything that it says in the bible.

He says that he believes some of the things in the bible but not all the bible says. He says that he believes Jesus was a real person. But he doesn't believe that he was born from a virgin. I've explained to him that he had to be, so that he wouldn't inherit mankind's sin (being born from God). And then take all of mankind's sins and nail them to the cross with his body.

But he says he doesn't believe that. That it couldn't be possible that a woman could become pregnant without copulating with a man. So this is confusing to me - he believes in a higher power. A "creator" if you will. And that God could exist, but he doesn't believe that Mary gave birth to a man without being planted with a seed first in the traditional way.

Basically, he believes there is a God, but he doesn't believe that Jesus was born from the virgin Mary. He believes that Jesus was crucified, but he doesn't believe that he was raised up from the dead after 3 days.

I want to reach this guys mind, and heart, please give me the words to say to him, without trying to shove it down his throat you know? Because that's not me, I don't like to do that you know?

I just like to plant seeds, let God provide the sun and the rain it needs to grow.

Thanks!

 

[Stranger36147]

Sounds like your friend might be a Deist.

 

[Grace777x70]

Must be a virgin conception because the blood comes from the baby. The baby does not get it's blood source from the mother while it is in the womb.

The Holy Spirit conceived Jesus with Mary's egg to produce a fetus. The life is in the blood. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Jesus had spotless blood uncontaminated by the blood of man which is how the "mystery of iniquity" is passed unto us from Adam's transgression - from human to human.

In Him we have redemption - the forgiveness of sins through His blood.

 

[BeyondET]

So I have this one friend, I guess you could call him my best friend, I love this boy, he's the only person I've ever met that has opened my mind to things that I never even knew about before. No other person I've ever met has ever taught me about the same things as he has. He's educated, he's read more books than most people have watched DVD's. But he's not a true believer, he says he believes in something, some creator, but not everything that it says in the bible.

He says that he believes some of the things in the bible but not all the bible says. He says that he believes Jesus was a real person. But he doesn't believe that he was born from a virgin. I've explained to him that he had to be, so that he wouldn't inherit mankind's sin (being born from God). And then take all of mankind's sins and nail them to the cross with his body.

But he says he doesn't believe that. That it couldn't be possible that a woman could become pregnant without copulating with a man. So this is confusing to me - he believes in a higher power. A "creator" if you will. And that God could exist, but he doesn't believe that Mary gave birth to a man without being planted with a seed first in the traditional way.

Basically, he believes there is a God, but he doesn't believe that Jesus was born from the virgin Mary. He believes that Jesus was crucified, but he doesn't believe that he was raised up from the dead after 3 days.

I want to reach this guys mind, and heart, please give me the words to say to him, without trying to shove it down his throat you know? Because that's not me, I don't like to do that you know?

I just like to plant seeds, let God provide the sun and the rain it needs to grow.

Thanks!

Maybe pointing to nature can help, this is a real deal in nature, IMO than why can't God do the same in a human I say...

Sharks
Virgin female hammerhead and blacktip sharks have both been documented as producing young, much to the surprise of the scientific community. Little is known about the process by which these sharks are able to reproduce, but an emerging consensus suggests that sharks are evolving to use parthenogenesis, a process in which female eggs self-fertilize, when populations dip. In both recorded cases, no males were present when the captive female sharks became pregnant.

Budding for Babies
Jellyfish, sea anemones and flatworms all use a process called budding to reproduce. This complex process of reproduction, most commonly associated with strawberries, sees the parent produce cloned cells of itself, which eventually break away and grow into exact replicas of that parent. However, females who use budding as a means of reproduction are also capable of sexual reproduction.

Self-Sexing Insects
Greenflies, stick insects, aphids, water fleas, scorpions, termites and honey bees are all capable of reproducing without males, using parthenogenesis. In the case of the honey bee, the use of parthenogenesis has evolutionary benefits, as they elect to use parthenogenesis when the local population requires more workers, or more queens.

Immaculate Reptile Conception
The boa constrictor, monitor lizard and Komodo dragon are both capable of becoming pregnant without male fertilization, by parthenogenesis. This form of reproduction is not the preferred method and has evolutionary disadvantages for the species, as it constitutes a form of inbreeding that reduces genetic diversity. Whiptail lizards however, have evolved to a point where no males exist. This all-girl species relies entirely on parthenogenesis.

Advanced Avian Parthenogenesis
Chickens and turkeys can use parthenogenesis to fertilize their eggs. However, unlike reptiles, avian parthenogenesis has evolutionary benefits. It is most typically observed in younger hens, who have lower levels of age-related genetic damage and can therefore produce more viable young. Birds also produce nonidentical replicas, so genetic diversity is wider in populations conceived by parthenogenesis.

 

[BeyondET]

Parthenogenesis (/ˌpɑːrθᵻnoʊˈdʒɛnᵻsᵻs, -θᵻnə-/;[1][2] from the Greek παρθένος parthenos, "virgin", + γένεσις genesis, "creation"[3]) is a natural form of asexual reproduction in which growth and development of embryos occur without fertilization. In animals, parthenogenesis means development of an embryo from an unfertilized egg cell. In plants parthenogenesis is a component process of apomixis.

Gynogenesis and pseudogamy are closely related phenomena in which a sperm or pollen triggers the development of the egg cell into an embryo but makes no genetic contribution to the embryo. The rest of the cytology and genetics of these phenomena are mostly identical to that of parthenogenesis.

The term is sometimes used inaccurately to describe reproduction modes in hermaphroditic species that can reproduce by themselves because they contain reproductive organs of both sexes in a single individual's body. However, these species still use fertilization.

Now that is weird lol.. A hermaphroditic can reproduce its own self... huh.. go figure...

 

[BeyondET]

Parthenogenesis is distinct from artificial animal cloning, a process where the new organism is necessarily genetically identical to the cell donor. In cloning, the nucleus of a diploid cell from a donor organism is inserted into an enucleated egg cell and the cell is then stimulated to undergo continued mitosis, resulting in an organism that is genetically identical to the donor. Parthenogenesis is different, in that it originates from the genetic material contained within an egg cell and the new organism is not necessarily genetically identical to the parent.

 

[Pilkington]

First of all I would say pray for your friend.

It sounds like your friend struggles to believe in the possiblity of God being either able to interact with the world or if he is able to interact he can not break the laws of nature.

Does he believe that God created the universe?

I would seek to find what is behind why he can't believe in the virgin birth etc.

 

[dcontroversal]

That the entire bible stands or falls together.....it is either all true and inspired and teaches truth or it is all poppycock....I believe it is all inspired truth!

 

[FreeNChrist]

So I have this one friend, I guess you could call him my best friend, I love this boy, he's the only person I've ever met that has opened my mind to things that I never even knew about before. No other person I've ever met has ever taught me about the same things as he has. He's educated, he's read more books than most people have watched DVD's. But he's not a true believer, he says he believes in something, some creator, but not everything that it says in the bible.

He says that he believes some of the things in the bible but not all the bible says. He says that he believes Jesus was a real person. But he doesn't believe that he was born from a virgin. I've explained to him that he had to be, so that he wouldn't inherit mankind's sin (being born from God). And then take all of mankind's sins and nail them to the cross with his body.

But he says he doesn't believe that. That it couldn't be possible that a woman could become pregnant without copulating with a man. So this is confusing to me - he believes in a higher power. A "creator" if you will. And that God could exist, but he doesn't believe that Mary gave birth to a man without being planted with a seed first in the traditional way.

Basically, he believes there is a God, but he doesn't believe that Jesus was born from the virgin Mary. He believes that Jesus was crucified, but he doesn't believe that he was raised up from the dead after 3 days.

I want to reach this guys mind, and heart, please give me the words to say to him, without trying to shove it down his throat you know? Because that's not me, I don't like to do that you know?

I just like to plant seeds, let God provide the sun and the rain it needs to grow.

Thanks!

It should be confusing to you. A God who is the Creator but who cannot cause a virgin to be with child?

 

[Miri]

So I have this one friend, I guess you could call him my best friend, I love this boy, he's the only person I've ever met that has opened my mind to things that I never even knew about before. No other person I've ever met has ever taught me about the same things as he has. He's educated, he's read more books than most people have watched DVD's. But he's not a true believer, he says he believes in something, some creator, but not everything that it says in the bible.

He says that he believes some of the things in the bible but not all the bible says. He says that he believes Jesus was a real person. But he doesn't believe that he was born from a virgin. I've explained to him that he had to be, so that he wouldn't inherit mankind's sin (being born from God). And then take all of mankind's sins and nail them to the cross with his body.

But he says he doesn't believe that. That it couldn't be possible that a woman could become pregnant without copulating with a man. So this is confusing to me - he believes in a higher power. A "creator" if you will. And that God could exist, but he doesn't believe that Mary gave birth to a man without being planted with a seed first in the traditional way.

Basically, he believes there is a God, but he doesn't believe that Jesus was born from the virgin Mary. He believes that Jesus was crucified, but he doesn't believe that he was raised up from the dead after 3 days.

I want to reach this guys mind, and heart, please give me the words to say to him, without trying to shove it down his throat you know? Because that's not me, I don't like to do that you know?

I just like to plant seeds, let God provide the sun and the rain it needs to grow.

Thanks!

All you can do is plant the seed, pray and leave the rest
to God.


1 Corinthians 3:6-8 NKJV
[6] I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. [7] So then neither
he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
[8] Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive
his own reward according to his own labor.

 

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So I have this one friend, I guess you could call him my best friend, I love this boy, he's the only person I've ever met that has opened my mind to things that I never even knew about before. No other person I've ever met has ever taught me about the same things as he has. He's educated, he's read more books than most people have watched DVD's. But he's not a true believer, he says he believes in something, some creator, but not everything that it says in the bible.

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But he says he doesn't believe that. That it couldn't be possible that a woman could become pregnant without copulating with a man. So this is confusing to me - he believes in a higher power. A "creator" if you will. And that God could exist, but he doesn't believe that Mary gave birth to a man without being planted with a seed first in the traditional way.

Basically, he believes there is a God, but he doesn't believe that Jesus was born from the virgin Mary. He believes that Jesus was crucified, but he doesn't believe that he was raised up from the dead after 3 days.

I want to reach this guys mind, and heart, please give me the words to say to him, without trying to shove it down his throat you know? Because that's not me, I don't like to do that you know?

I just like to plant seeds, let God provide the sun and the rain it needs to grow.

Thanks!

****** if men can artificially inseminate women----- the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary---- Jesus is 100%
man&100%God...

 

[Angela53510]

I agree your friend is a deist. That means they believe in "a god" but not in Jesus Christ. My family was like this. My father had a Christian in his university witnessing to him for years about the scientific evidence for God. That was the first step in breaking down my father's atheism. He became a deist.

Well, that man had someone praying for his salvation for 82 years. So prayer is always the first thing when you want God to save someone. And I know prayer did more than words could ever do for my father.

At one point I was taking evangelism, and we had to witness to 3 unsaved people. My parents were 2 of those people. (The other was a young Muslim girl I met on the internet and she is still serving Christ 5 years later!).

I gave my parents my testimony, shared the gospel, and my mom wanted to know Christ. We prayed a sinner's prayer, which maybe isn't the best way to go about things, but she does pray and talk about God. My father was a different kettle of fish. He just had so many trivial questions blocking his way to know God.

Finally, he was in hospital with increasingly bad heart issues. He had an episode where he almost died. My husband talked about sin, and I talked about God's love. He prayed, finally and accepted Christ. The change was immediate and amazing. After all those long years of prayer and witnessing, (including the changes in my life, after I became a Christian - non-believers do notice it!), my father was truly saved.

It seemed like God was teaching him, too. His question about what happens to all the other people in the world, who do not know Christ had plagued him for years. A few days after he was saved, he told me he understood about why those people were not Christians. It was because no one had told them! He began to witness to staff and the other patients, all about who Jesus was, and why they needed him. He even figured out who were false Christians, a lot of the staff was RCC, and he realized they did not really know God, but were trusting in the church to save them.

So, the final part of this story, is my sister. She was watching all of this, my dad getting saved. He was witnessing to her. He wanted to know she was saved. But she would have nothing of it. She is kind of an eclectic, Buddhist, Hindu, New Age, feminist type of person. She was kind of mad that our father got saved! I have had many conversations with her, almost persuading her, like Paul did with King Agrippa. But she won't let go of her arrogance. She really needs God to reveal himself to her. I guess I need to pray even harder for her.

(My father did pass away 5 months after he was saved. It is sweet to know he is with Jesus, and I will see him again one day!)

So, some deist can be saved, and others, maybe not yet? Pray and be a friend, and witness when you can.

 

[Magenta]

You could point out to your friend that his is an absurd position in that it is highly illogical to accept that the universe was created by God from nothing, order brought from chaos, and life given to man and animals etc etc, but then deny that the same Creator could not cause a woman to conceive a child without the use of a man.

However, I do understand the position of your friend, for he is as lost as surely as any of us were before we are saved. He my be as the people to whom Paul preached, that they would come to know the unknown God they worshiped, if he has beliefs about God while rejecting Scripture. I too was in that place of knowing there was something, but not being able to accept Scriptural Truths, for many years. The pride of life may be his main problem. He likely thinks he knows better than anyone else... all those who believe now? We are somehow deceived in his view, just as we see him as being deceived by the god of this world. And the believers of the past? They probably simply did not know any better, and surely they did not have the advantages of modern science such as we do. It amounts to we are all wrong and he knows better. Probably nothing but revelation from the Holy Spirit of God will be able to convince him to move from his present state of defiance. Continuing to love him as you do will not hurt, either

 

[Zmouth]

The question is if those who believe in the supernatural conception believe in God's immutable word.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:Gen 1:28

Since it is written that Eve had gotten a man from the LORD then Cain would be the first one born of a virgin since it is written in Genesis 4:1, "... and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD." It must be true that she got the child from the LORD or else it wouldn't have been written that she had.

It it is written in Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." But of course it is written "But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned." Moreover, in Hebrew 13:4 it is written, "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled:" So because Adam knew his wife doesn't defile her virginity nor does it mean that cell fusion occurred.

So how can one believe in the virgin birth of one and deny the virgin birth of the other except they deny both. Much the same as one can not love God and hate his brother as written in 1 John 4:20, If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And in such, while they rejected his testimony as written in John 8:41, "Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God."

You could point out to your friend that his is an absurd position in that it is highly illogical to accept that the universe was created by God from nothing,

If God created the heaven in Genesis 1:1 and the earth, yet darkness was upon the face of the deep according to Genesis 1:2, then if darkness is void of light then God must have created the earth from nothing. So if God is invisible light, then what would the light look like that was made in his image?

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:15-16

 

[Zmouth]

I just like to plant seeds, let God provide the sun and the rain it needs to grow.

Thanks!

If the seed wasn't given from heaven, then it won't grow since a man can receive nothing except it be given from heaven.

 

[jaybird88]

where does Jesus teach on the virgin birth?

 

[JesusRules1]

So I have this one friend, I guess you could call him my best friend, I love this boy, he's the only person I've ever met that has opened my mind to things that I never even knew about before. No other person I've ever met has ever taught me about the same things as he has. He's educated, he's read more books than most people have watched DVD's. But he's not a true believer, he says he believes in something, some creator, but not everything that it says in the bible.

He says that he believes some of the things in the bible but not all the bible says. He says that he believes Jesus was a real person. But he doesn't believe that he was born from a virgin. I've explained to him that he had to be, so that he wouldn't inherit mankind's sin (being born from God). And then take all of mankind's sins and nail them to the cross with his body.

But he says he doesn't believe that. That it couldn't be possible that a woman could become pregnant without copulating with a man. So this is confusing to me - he believes in a higher power. A "creator" if you will. And that God could exist, but he doesn't believe that Mary gave birth to a man without being planted with a seed first in the traditional way.

Basically, he believes there is a God, but he doesn't believe that Jesus was born from the virgin Mary. He believes that Jesus was crucified, but he doesn't believe that he was raised up from the dead after 3 days.

I want to reach this guys mind, and heart, please give me the words to say to him, without trying to shove it down his throat you know? Because that's not me, I don't like to do that you know?

I just like to plant seeds, let God provide the sun and the rain it needs to grow.

Thanks!

Does he believe God created all things,for if he believes God created all things,then why would he have a problem that Jesus was conceived by a virgin,when Jesus said nothing is impossible with God,and Jesus is conceived by the Holy Spirit so He would not need a human father,for God is the life force of that child,and God appeared twice in bodily form to Abraham by making Him a body out of the dust of the earth,and then that dust went back to the earth.

God created all that was created,all the vastness of it,and all the wonders He did in the Old Testament,and a person would have a problem with Jesus being born of a virgin,when God can whip Himself up a body from the dust of the earth and appear right before them and say,what's up.

Jesus is God manifest in flesh,so Jesus is God Himself in bodily form,for whether He made a body out of the dust of the earth to appear to Abraham,or conceived a body for Himself in the womb of Mary,it is still the same thing,God in a manifestation of flesh,and the giver of life to that flesh.

We look at the stars,and moon,and sun,and the planets,and all that is on earth to numerous to know,and amazing that God brought it about,and people are not going to believe Jesus was not conceived by a virgin,which nothing is impossible with God.

They do not believe Jesus was conceived by a virgin,but Adam and Eve were not created by parents,a father,and mother,but by God,so how could a person believe Adam and Eve were created by God without a father,and a mother,and then have a problem that Jesus could of not been born of a virgin,for to believe Jesus was not conceived by a virgin,they would have to believe God did not create Adam and Eve with no father or mother.

And the same with God raising Jesus from the dead,God can give the life force back,for if He created Adam from the dust of the earth,why can't He raise one from the dead and that flesh be new again,which Jesus was only dead three days,and God could raise a skeleton that has been dead for 3000 years,and put new flesh on it,the same as He created Adam and Eve from the dust of the earth.

 

[resurrection33]

So I have this one friend, I guess you could call him my best friend, I love this boy, he's the only person I've ever met that has opened my mind to things that I never even knew about before. No other person I've ever met has ever taught me about the same things as he has. He's educated, he's read more books than most people have watched DVD's. But he's not a true believer, he says he believes in something, some creator, but not everything that it says in the bible.

He says that he believes some of the things in the bible but not all the bible says. He says that he believes Jesus was a real person. But he doesn't believe that he was born from a virgin. I've explained to him that he had to be, so that he wouldn't inherit mankind's sin (being born from God). And then take all of mankind's sins and nail them to the cross with his body.

But he says he doesn't believe that. That it couldn't be possible that a woman could become pregnant without copulating with a man. So this is confusing to me - he believes in a higher power. A "creator" if you will. And that God could exist, but he doesn't believe that Mary gave birth to a man without being planted with a seed first in the traditional way.

Basically, he believes there is a God, but he doesn't believe that Jesus was born from the virgin Mary. He believes that Jesus was crucified, but he doesn't believe that he was raised up from the dead after 3 days.

I want to reach this guys mind, and heart, please give me the words to say to him, without trying to shove it down his throat you know? Because that's not me, I don't like to do that you know?

I just like to plant seeds, let God provide the sun and the rain it needs to grow.

Thanks!

I might read this to my friend:

[24] Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came.
[25] So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord." But he said to them, "Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails, and place my finger in the mark of the nails, and place my hand in his side, I will not believe."
[26] Eight days later, his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. The doors were shut, but Jesus came and stood among them, and said, "Peace be with you."
[27] Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing."
[28] Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
[29] Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe." John 20:24-29 RSV

 

[Adstar]

But he says he doesn't believe that. That it couldn't be possible that a woman could become pregnant without copulating with a man. So this is confusing to me - he believes in a higher power. A "creator" if you will. And that God could exist, but he doesn't believe that Mary gave birth to a man without being planted with a seed first in the traditional way.

His god is a very limited god of his own mind.. basically he reads a lot of books and only believes stuff in those books that agree with his mind..

If someone actually believes that a real creator God exists then believing that God could cause a vigin to become pregnant is easy.. Such a thing would be child's play for God..

Once a person truly believes a God exists then all the miracles revealed in the Bible are not hard to believe.. If however a person does not believe a God exists then most of the miracles in the Bible become impossible for them..

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

So I have this one friend, I guess you could call him my best friend, I love this boy, he's the only person I've ever met that has opened my mind to things that I never even knew about before. No other person I've ever met has ever taught me about the same things as he has. He's educated, he's read more books than most people have watched DVD's. But he's not a true believer, he says he believes in something, some creator, but not everything that it says in the bible.

He says that he believes some of the things in the bible but not all the bible says. He says that he believes Jesus was a real person. But he doesn't believe that he was born from a virgin. I've explained to him that he had to be, so that he wouldn't inherit mankind's sin (being born from God). And then take all of mankind's sins and nail them to the cross with his body.

But he says he doesn't believe that. That it couldn't be possible that a woman could become pregnant without copulating with a man. So this is confusing to me - he believes in a higher power. A "creator" if you will. And that God could exist, but he doesn't believe that Mary gave birth to a man without being planted with a seed first in the traditional way.

Basically, he believes there is a God, but he doesn't believe that Jesus was born from the virgin Mary. He believes that Jesus was crucified, but he doesn't believe that he was raised up from the dead after 3 days.

I want to reach this guys mind, and heart, please give me the words to say to him, without trying to shove it down his throat you know? Because that's not me, I don't like to do that you know?

I just like to plant seeds, let God provide the sun and the rain it needs to grow.

Thanks!

I would say to him that He is thinking God can't do something that even mere men have now figured out how to do! It is now possible for MEN to cause a virgin to give birth through IVF! But he will say: okay then, what about talking donkeys? Then you will say: so are you saying you will only believe each miracle when men figure out how to do them?