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I agree with the purpose of the OP: the purpose of the OP is to show how brothers that seemingly were at odds are walking in agreement together and they still can have differences of opinions while showing respect for each other.
The problem is that the example given is offensive to some here. If you post an example that is offensive to some, then expect and be OK with the doctrine and people involved being brought to the forefront.
Suppose a newcomer posted a thread with the same theme, but the example given was of the Pope making reconciliation and talking together peacefully with the head of ISIS (preposterous - maybe - maybe not?!!). That thread would get "attacked" very quickly.
If you want a peaceful thread on talking out our differences, choose a different example -- we all know that JP is a hot topic and we disagree.
There are a good number of us here that have no intention of making "peace" with JP or his doctrines. The implication of your example is that is what we should do if we are good peace loving Christians. Some of us (our opinions!
are that these doctrines have led our families and friends away from the Lord.
The problem is that the example given is offensive to some here. If you post an example that is offensive to some, then expect and be OK with the doctrine and people involved being brought to the forefront.
Suppose a newcomer posted a thread with the same theme, but the example given was of the Pope making reconciliation and talking together peacefully with the head of ISIS (preposterous - maybe - maybe not?!!). That thread would get "attacked" very quickly.
If you want a peaceful thread on talking out our differences, choose a different example -- we all know that JP is a hot topic and we disagree.
There are a good number of us here that have no intention of making "peace" with JP or his doctrines. The implication of your example is that is what we should do if we are good peace loving Christians. Some of us (our opinions!
are that these doctrines have led our families and friends away from the Lord.
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The purpose of the OP is to show that we can walk together in a respectful way despite having some differing opinions. Let's not turn it into something else. It is not about the personalities in the article. Thank you.
If people want to discuss other topics other then the purpose of the OP - start a thread and I'm sure people will be happy to give their opinions....
If people want to discuss other topics other then the purpose of the OP - start a thread and I'm sure people will be happy to give their opinions....
Note title of article.
Yup. That's what it's about. So, truly it is about personalities. Two of them. "My" and "Joseph Prince."
I agree. I loved how they sat down and discussed their differences and ended up in agreement.
I have said now 4 times. The purpose of the OP was to show how two seemingly opposing brothers could get together and in respect discuss their differences and come away glorifying God.
The purpose of the OP is not to bash any of the personalities with our personal malice towards either one of them nor to discuss whether we agree or disagree with their doctrines.
It would appear we are still learning how to do that in CC but it will come....
I'm with you about how do we talk about differences of opinions in a respectful way without the insults and personal bashing of others? This way we will establish a healthy environment where we can discuss things and grow together in the grace and knowledge of the Lord.
I have said now 4 times. The purpose of the OP was to show how two seemingly opposing brothers could get together and in respect discuss their differences and come away glorifying God.
The purpose of the OP is not to bash any of the personalities with our personal malice towards either one of them nor to discuss whether we agree or disagree with their doctrines.
It would appear we are still learning how to do that in CC but it will come....
I'm with you about how do we talk about differences of opinions in a respectful way without the insults and personal bashing of others? This way we will establish a healthy environment where we can discuss things and grow together in the grace and knowledge of the Lord.
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Found this....it's more for online classes but some of the suggestions still apply...just no professor or grade to enforce politeness.
Netiquette: Ground Rules for Online Discussions
I personally need to work on my grammar and making sure my posts are clearer.
Netiquette: Ground Rules for Online Discussions
Be Patient: Read everything in the discussion thread before replying. This will help you avoid repeating something someone else has already contributed. Acknowledge the points made with which you agree and suggest alternatives for those with which you don’t.
Be Brief: You want to be clear—and to articulate your point—without being preachy or pompous. Be direct. Stay on point. Don’t lose yourself, or your readers, in overly wordy sentences or paragraphs.
Use Proper Writing Style: This is a must. Write as if you were writing a term paper. Correct spelling, grammatical construction and sentence structure are expected in every other writing activity associated with scholarship and academic engagement. Online discussions are no different.
Cite Your Sources: Another big must! If your contribution to the conversation includes the intellectual property (authored material) of others, e.g., books, newspaper, magazine, or journal articles—online or in print—they must be given proper attribution.
Emoticons and Texting: Social networking and text messaging has spawned a body of linguistic shortcuts that are not part of the academic dialogue. Please refrain from faces and c u l8r’s.
Respect Diversity: It’s an ethnically rich and diverse, multi-cultural world in which we live. Use no language that is—or that could be construed to be—offensive toward others. Racists, sexist, and heterosexist comments and jokes are unacceptable, as are derogatory and/or sarcastic comments and jokes directed at religious beliefs, disabilities, and age.
No YELLING! Step carefully. Beware the electronic footprint you leave behind. Using bold upper-case letters is bad form, like stomping around and yelling at somebody (NOT TO MENTION BEING HARD ON THE EYE).
No Flaming! Criticism must be constructive, well-meaning, and well-articulated. Please, no tantrums. Rants directed at any other contributor are simply unacceptable and will not be tolerated. The same goes for profanity. The academic environment expects higher-order language.
Lastly, Remember: You Can't Un-Ring the Bell. Language is your only tool in an online environment. Be mindful. How others perceive you will be largely—as always—up to you. Once you've hit the send button, you've rung the bell.
Review your written posts and responses to ensure that you’ve conveyed exactly what you intended. This is an excellent opportunity to practice your proofreading, revision, and rewriting skills—valuable assets in the professional world for which you are now preparing.
Hint: Read your post out loud before hitting the send button. This will tell you a lot about whether your grammar and sentence structure are correct, your tone is appropriate, and your contribution clear or not.
Be Brief: You want to be clear—and to articulate your point—without being preachy or pompous. Be direct. Stay on point. Don’t lose yourself, or your readers, in overly wordy sentences or paragraphs.
Use Proper Writing Style: This is a must. Write as if you were writing a term paper. Correct spelling, grammatical construction and sentence structure are expected in every other writing activity associated with scholarship and academic engagement. Online discussions are no different.
Cite Your Sources: Another big must! If your contribution to the conversation includes the intellectual property (authored material) of others, e.g., books, newspaper, magazine, or journal articles—online or in print—they must be given proper attribution.
Emoticons and Texting: Social networking and text messaging has spawned a body of linguistic shortcuts that are not part of the academic dialogue. Please refrain from
faces and c u l8r’s.Respect Diversity: It’s an ethnically rich and diverse, multi-cultural world in which we live. Use no language that is—or that could be construed to be—offensive toward others. Racists, sexist, and heterosexist comments and jokes are unacceptable, as are derogatory and/or sarcastic comments and jokes directed at religious beliefs, disabilities, and age.
No YELLING! Step carefully. Beware the electronic footprint you leave behind. Using bold upper-case letters is bad form, like stomping around and yelling at somebody (NOT TO MENTION BEING HARD ON THE EYE).
No Flaming! Criticism must be constructive, well-meaning, and well-articulated. Please, no tantrums. Rants directed at any other contributor are simply unacceptable and will not be tolerated. The same goes for profanity. The academic environment expects higher-order language.
Lastly, Remember: You Can't Un-Ring the Bell. Language is your only tool in an online environment. Be mindful. How others perceive you will be largely—as always—up to you. Once you've hit the send button, you've rung the bell.
Review your written posts and responses to ensure that you’ve conveyed exactly what you intended. This is an excellent opportunity to practice your proofreading, revision, and rewriting skills—valuable assets in the professional world for which you are now preparing.
Hint: Read your post out loud before hitting the send button. This will tell you a lot about whether your grammar and sentence structure are correct, your tone is appropriate, and your contribution clear or not.
It would appear we are still learning how to do that in CC but it will come....
I'm with you about how do we talk about differences of opinions in a respectful way without the insults and personal bashing of others? This way we will establish a healthy environment where we can discuss things and grow together in the grace and knowledge of the Lord.
BDF means biblical interpretation, whether one agrees with the positions or not.
One obviously will agree with like minded people.
And one needs to understand sincere believers will seriously be troubled by things
that are shared, but that is ok. A lot of these things takes time to take in, and
we need to change sometimes to see it correctly.
The difficulty comes if a group has said anyone with this position is evil, driven
by satan, and must be resisted, prayed against, and expelled.
The enemy is defeated. The word will silence him. The Holy Spirit rules.
Love and working with pain and hurt is Gods way, so we need to walk in the
way of Christ to love our enemies, and then bring the light to bare.
The Lord takes our enemies and makes them brothers and sisters, even if
we die in the process. I am still learning this, so bare with me as I learn how
to walk like Christ in all things in my heart. I give glory to Him for His ways,
for 3 years he bore with Judas, and raised no voice of objection.
The Lord is working in all of our lives as we learn to walk with each other as we grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord. We can walk together and have differing opinions in some areas.
None of us know it all and we need each other in the body of Christ. I believe the OP demonstrates that truth as they dealt with each other in respect and exhibiting good behavior as befits our true nature in the Lord.
That was the purpose of the OP - to demonstrate that very trait amongst us so that we can discuss any differences on any subject in a respectful manner without insults and bad behavior. This creates a healthy environment for growing in the Lord's grace.
None of us know it all and we need each other in the body of Christ. I believe the OP demonstrates that truth as they dealt with each other in respect and exhibiting good behavior as befits our true nature in the Lord.
That was the purpose of the OP - to demonstrate that very trait amongst us so that we can discuss any differences on any subject in a respectful manner without insults and bad behavior. This creates a healthy environment for growing in the Lord's grace.
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Its nice when brothers that love the Lord can share their differences in experience, strength, and hope. Keeps both on their toes, iron sharpening iron. It is our duty to share the word, its not our duty to change minds of other. Still have a lot to learn myself, and always willing to share what i've learned. The hard thing is keeping pride out of it, and trying to see the persons heart though the eyes of Jesus. That is the thing i'm working on daily (what would Jesus do).
The Bible says "How can two walk together unless they be in agreement?" The Bible says we are to teach the same thing (same doctirne). The Bible says if someone has a different gospel, not to even let them into your house. There are not many "faiths/beliefs/practices", there is but One Lord, ONE FAITH, and one baptism.
This "one Faith" is not simply belief in God. We see this when many left THEE Faith to follow deceiving spirits, they did not abandon belief in God, but abandoned proper doctrine- such as forbidding people to marry or to abstain from specific foods- these things are not found in God's doctrine but only in man-made doctrine. And why would they follow any doctrine if not to please God? And why would they try to please a God they don't believe in? No, they didn't abandon faith, they abandoned The Faith. Catholics believe in God, but they forbid their priests to marry, and their followers to abstain from certain foods. The only 'lent' in the Bible is in the context like "He lent me his coat."
God says, "They worship Me in vain, their doctrine is merely human rules."
Many faiths and The Faith are not walking the same road, nor do they have the same destination.
Why did Jesus says to dust off your shoes and move on? Why did He say a mother against a daughter, a father against a son? It's because there is a spiritual war going on which causes seperation- not unity. Light does not mix with darkness, and lies cannot walk in harmony with truth.
This "one Faith" is not simply belief in God. We see this when many left THEE Faith to follow deceiving spirits, they did not abandon belief in God, but abandoned proper doctrine- such as forbidding people to marry or to abstain from specific foods- these things are not found in God's doctrine but only in man-made doctrine. And why would they follow any doctrine if not to please God? And why would they try to please a God they don't believe in? No, they didn't abandon faith, they abandoned The Faith. Catholics believe in God, but they forbid their priests to marry, and their followers to abstain from certain foods. The only 'lent' in the Bible is in the context like "He lent me his coat."
God says, "They worship Me in vain, their doctrine is merely human rules."
Many faiths and The Faith are not walking the same road, nor do they have the same destination.
Why did Jesus says to dust off your shoes and move on? Why did He say a mother against a daughter, a father against a son? It's because there is a spiritual war going on which causes seperation- not unity. Light does not mix with darkness, and lies cannot walk in harmony with truth.
darkness can not comprehend light, when light enters darkness flees. Who puts the light under table? Let your light shine before men, that they may meet the Father. Jesus hung out with people that i would choose not to today, and was condemned for it. But He is Lord and has thicker skin than me. Shunning is not shining.
Jesus came to them as a doctor of truth. Not to yoke Himself with them, with the attitude "You believe what you believe, I'll do the same, and we can hang out together." There is a big difference. I share the truth with everyone, but I am only yoked with those who believe and practice the truth. A person who practices the man-made Catholic doctrine instead of God's doctrine is not my brother in Christ. Just because we both believe in God does not yoke us- even demons believe in God.
If you call Christ's command to dust off your shoes and walk away "shunning" so be it. We need to bring the truth, not force the truth, or make the truth one with lies.
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Hi Grace777, that was a nice article thanks for posting it. I don't read a whole lot of Christian magazines these days so wouldn't have come across this. I'm disappointed in how some Christians here on CC can't get to the point of letting the cross be preached in one another. Jesus has given each of us a mandate and it's disappointing when some believers can't allow for that in others simply because their ideas of "religious titles" won't allow them to.
It's much like what many have thought is a 'word of faith' back round. I've seen that what is called "Baptist" is not all the same., and so it's the same with the 'word of faith' people like me. I'm both of a Baptist leaning and a word of faith leaning. But my beliefs can't be identified by either/or since some of the parts of each are incorporated into my understanding of God and the Bible. So actually I can't be identified by those titles because in same cases one cancels out the other. That only happens when those so narrow minded about each title can't see past the titles. So instead I've had many say to me "you just don't understand what that means" When in truth I certainly do.
I wish people didn't try to do that. We can't always have people neatly defined by titles. There is more to a brother in Christ than religious titles. I so appreciated the way these two men of God in the article were able to talk things out without worry or fear that the other might influence them to evil. It shows the maturity of both men in the article.
God is bigger than our differences and we can better be identified by the things we all do agree on. The higher calling is loving each other and respecting one another in the bonds of love. Each believer has something important to bring to the table. We each lose out when we refuse to grant them a place.