Brothers that love the Lord meet:

Grace777x70 · Jan 27, 2017

Here is an excellent article showing how 2 brothers in the Lord met and discussed any mis-understandings and mis-representations of each other's belief in what the Lord Jesus has done. Although they still differ in a point or two - they still recognized the Lord Jesus's Christ's work in the life of the true believer and are walking together in the Lord.

This OP is about reconciliation of brethren and love and walking in agreement. It is a mending of what the enemy tried to do when he brought strife and division to the body of Christ.

The purpose of this OP is not to rip apart any brother or sister in the Lord. It is to show that we can walk together and have some slight differences and we can stop the mis-understandings and mis-representations so that we can have true unity bound together by love a respect for each other.

Please do not use this OP as an opportunity to bite and devour one another - it is to show that we can walk together even if we differ in some aspects of our beliefs when we have respect for each other and not participate in insults and personal attacks.

This is a great sign of the Lord working in all of our lives. We have a great salvation in Him.

My Meeting With Pastor Joseph Prince — Charisma News

PeterJens · Jan 27, 2017

That is good, I have to say Amen.

What has focused my mind is not so much what we believe and how somebody else
has got it so wrong, but how our emotional defences in our hearts often dictate our behaviour.

Our hearts are our lens onto life. The clearer our hearts are, and the confusion and hurts healed
the better we will see what needs to be addressed and why.

When I read of the hurts and hear testimony of hurts I break down.
My mother as a five year old girl was ignored by her mother with appendicitus for 1 week.
It burst, and they operated on her back in 1931, and she lived.

As a very young girl, that feeling of abandonment is very hard to ever overcome.
Why should you believe God, or anyone, it is just to make you feel better until the grim
reaper comes.

We speak words in such grandiose style, keeping our distance from each other, carrying
these soul destroying wounds, that mock our hopes and dreams. But the cross goes still
deeper, heals stronger, talks more fully. But only if we open up and break open the seals.
let His love in, and believe. It is the hardest thing to do in ones life, to go where even
we fear to tread, for we fear we will be disappointed and hurt even more.

But my friends, Jesus went to the cross to say, No, I love you, I will heal you, you can
come home.

So grace only works when these defences go, and you let the healing in.
And it is not a one time event, it is in His time and small step by small step.

This is Jesus's light burden. When you lay it down, and find out who you are, you will
see people as they are, and not as unlovable individuals but mainly walking wounded,
crippled and slowly fading away because they have not let the King of Kings in to heal.

phil36 · Jan 27, 2017

Yep I would agree it is good to see people Chat... But their both Charismatic..and Michael Green does associate with alot of the controversial characters. So to be honest Grace777 I think its a mute point.

Unless your are referring to Hyper grace (In the article you posted)? Its an error not a heresy so its good that people have a discussion.

Grace777x70 · Jan 27, 2017

phil36 said:

Who is Michael Green? Never heard of him before. Perhaps you haven't read the article yet?

phil36 · Jan 27, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I have changed it...its Michael brown not Green (but perhaps you Knew that?

Yep I would agree it is good to see people Chat... But their both Charismatic..and Michael Brown does associate with alot of the controversial characters. So to be honest Grace777 I think its a mute point.

Unless your are referring to Hyper grace (In the article you posted)? Its an error not a heresy so its good that people have a discussion.

Grace777x70 · Jan 27, 2017

phil36 said:

I did hear of Keith Green before - loved his music. I thought you were talking about someone else that I never heard of before.

So, that means you did read the article? On how the differences they thought were there - were actually mis-understandings and mis-representations in some cases and how they are walking together now to represent the Lord as He really is.

Anyway - the whole purpose of the OP is to show how brothers that seemingly were at odds are now walking in agreement together and they still can have differences of opinions while showing respect for each other.

( BTW. you are probably not aware of this because you have not been on CC for awhile but the bringing up of a certain term in green above has been asked by the mods to stop because of the bad behavior it brings with it. )

Bless you and have a great day! We have a great salvation in our Lord Jesus!

PeterJens · Jan 27, 2017

phil36 said:

It is an interesting idea saying something is an error and not a heresy.
I have christian brothers and sisters who are RCC. Some parts of that faith are heresy,
while others are sound. So I tend to go on a person by person basis.

I am sure HG is the same. Some will decide the world has to be rid of xxx while others
will turn to love and showing a victorious example.

I know we need more of seeing Christ and His love through the cross, but then serious
engagement behind our emotional defences is not easy to talk to.

Prince has also been WOF, health, wealth down the line, latter rain conformist so things
are never as simple as one friendly meeting may make out. And there is tons of heresy
in the latter rain theology that most evangelicals would outright reject.

HEIsRiSen · Jan 27, 2017

I don't want to express my opinion of Joseph Prince but I will say that I believe it can be extremely edifying to meet with strong brothers and sisters in Christ. Jesus said:

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

If people would quit being so divided and too proud to learn from one another and instruct one another in the Lord the church would be booming like never before. We are not to preach anything that cannot be backed up by the Word and many preachers nowadays have such a general and vague message that people are not seeing the big picture. Then there are those out there teaching flat out lies, contradictory to the Word.

Revelation 22
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

2 Timothy [SUP]
15 [/SUP]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Proverbs 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.

All that being said, the grace of Jesus Christ is with us all! Praise God!

Grace777x70 · Jan 27, 2017

Please respect the purpose of the OP which is to show brothers walking together in unity despite having a difference of opinions on some subjects. This is not a thread to express our religious beliefs on some doctrine or to publicly bash some minister of the Lord. Thank you.

phil36 · Jan 27, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Yeah I read the article, As I say 2 Charismatics having an 'in' discussion - not particularity opposites as your original OP may have suggested. I think you misunderstand me when I talk about Joseph Prince its not so much his Hyper grace style its his 'word of faith style teachings I don't like. Both men were almost in agreement before they even met...except that one issue and Michael brown - read here :-

I think alot of people miss the point and I think it was once fallen pointed to it on a 'sticky thread' In the essentials all christians should agree... However most debates on here are secondary issues. That said to me word of faith is not a secondary issue.

Although you may not have seen me being active on here for a while,I do come by and read posts so I am well aware of the debates around Hyper Grace.

I am only using the name because that is basically the TOPIC you brought up in your OP by posting the Brown article. I only mentioned the name because you posted an article on the TOPIC.

P.S, yeah I quite like some of keith Grees tunes.. Have a blessed day yourself grace777.

Grace777x70 · Jan 27, 2017

HEIsRiSen said:

I don't want to express my opinion of Joseph Prince but I will say that I believe it can be extremely edifying to meet with strong brothers and sisters in Christ. Jesus said:

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

If people would quit being so divided and too proud to learn from one another and instruct one another in the Lord the church would be booming like never before. We are not to preach anything that cannot be backed up by the Word and many preachers nowadays have such a general and vague message that people are not seeing the big picture. Then there are those out there teaching flat out lies, contradictory to the Word.

Revelation 22
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

2 Timothy [SUP]
15 [/SUP]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Proverbs 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.

All that being said, the grace of Jesus Christ is with us all! Praise God!

Well said....I believe the article shows that we can all do this and walk on in the Lord and together grow up in the grace and knowledge of Him. Thank you for your post. It shows the purpose of the article and the OP.

Grace777x70 · Jan 27, 2017

phil36 said:

That's good! So you do know the bringing up of a certain term has been asked to stop because of the behavior it brings with it.

This will stop the strife and division that it has brought in the past so that we can walk together and learn from each other. The asking for people to stop using that term shows the wisdom of God in operation in the Mods.

Then we too can manifest the same spirit that the article talks about and exhibits. How good it is for the brethren to dwell together in unity.

Amen...I too like Keith Green. Here is one of my favorites.

[video=youtube;-MjE2yXJqvs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjE2yXJqvs[/video]

phil36 · Jan 27, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I do understand that the topic of Hyper Grace was asked not to brought up. That is why I was astounded that you Posted an article on that very same topic.

HEIsRiSen · Jan 27, 2017

I was hoping I was speaking to the right topic this time around

Not any one of our stories of 'rags to riches' have every detail, not one of us have everything right and we should gather in the name of Jesus and lift each other up and share our experience, strength and hope. Jesus is our hope and our Light unto salvation. Every man and woman of God has a testimony to share and for every man and woman that come to Christ there are probably 500 unbelievers that are going through the same thing that Jesus rescued one of us from.

There is power in the testimony of a believer in Christ and I believe in this day and age that is what is going to bring the most souls to the cross. We are all in this together and must have compassion and love for an unbelieving man because a lot of people truly just do not know what they are doing or how it works. So even if they are not a brother in Christ, treat every man as a brother in love because love never fails and it never ends. Share unconditional love and then share Jesus.

Grace777x70 · Jan 27, 2017

phil36 said:

Perhaps you missed the purpose of the article. I'll state it again.

- the purpose of the OP is to show how brothers that seemingly were at odds are walking in agreement together and they still can have differences of opinions while showing respect for each other.

Forget it phil - it's obvious you have a different agenda then the OP. Feel free to start a thread on anything else you would like.

phil36 · Jan 27, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I understand and I disagree with the premise of your OP.... you used Joseph Prince.. I believe word of faith etc to be a false gospel.. does he teach that? he himself admits that's his roots. Michael Brown associates himself with these guys quite often.

Christians cannot capitulate just in the name of reconcilliation.

HEIsRiSen · Jan 27, 2017

There is no need to explain yourself brother, there are people who see that we are all in agreement in the Lord and if we only teach that which is good and lawful there will be some fruit appearing in this thread. Somebody once said...

"You can't remove a fool from his foolishness, you must remove yourself from the fool"

Don't argue with nonsense if you have common sense lol

HEIsRiSen · Jan 27, 2017

And let me just add that Joseph Prince wouldn't stand a chance in this bible study forum. This is where the nitty gritty meat eaters come to share.

Grace777x70 · Jan 27, 2017

The purpose of the OP is to show that we can walk together in a respectful way despite having some differing opinions. Let's not turn it into something else. It is not about the personalities in the article. Thank you.

If people want to discuss other topics other then the purpose of the OP - start a thread and I'm sure people will be happy to give their opinions....

HEIsRiSen · Jan 27, 2017

You are right. Forgive me for speaking such bold foolishness. I still mean what I said about the meat eaters

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