Can we draw pictures of God?

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South_FLA

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Exodus 20:4 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:

Does this mean we can't draw pictures of God? I have seen people on this very website have drawn pictures of God as their profile pic so idk what to think really.
 
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Well.....the context would be applicable to worshipping said image....and most miss the biblical picture of Jesus already given in Isaiah 53
 

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How could we possibly draw a picture of something with which we have no sensorial experience? How can we reduce God to a figure on a piece of paper?
 

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Exodus 20:4 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:

Does this mean we can't draw pictures of God? I have seen people on this very website have drawn pictures of God as their profile pic so idk what to think really.
Nope .. We should not attempt to make any images of God..
 
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Can you? The only "pictures" we have of God are he's standing on something blue. (A kind of a gem -- semi-precious gem in today's thinking.) We don't even see his feet, just what he's standing on.

And then Jesus. What did Jesus look like? There isn't one hint other than he was a man in the Middle East.

I don't think anyone really draws pictures of God. It's more of what he is like, than what he looks like.

BUT, the commandment is to not worship something other than God, even if we want to call the thing God. That's where the Israelites got in trouble in the wilderness. They really were inspired by that big cloud over the mountain, but they wanted something to focus on when they worshipped God, so they turned what they could not see into an image of a baby cow. And that is something we all struggle with. I know I've gotten fixed on "What was above that blue stuff? If God is standing, he has to have feet." And that is how deep sin goes.

Semantics 101 -- Axiom 1: "The word is not the thing. It is a symbol for the thing."

God doesn't want us to worship symbols. He wants us to worship him.

(Lots of old Communications classes axioms coming into my mind this morning. lol)
 

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I heard a lot of Christians say Jesus revealed himself to them and that he looked like a man with long hair and a beard just like the stereotypical pictures of him we always see. I do realize a picture cannot amount to his glory.
 
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Here's one I just drew:
 

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Exodus 20:4 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:

Does this mean we can't draw pictures of God?
That is EXACTLY what it means.
 

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Can you? The only "pictures" we have of God are he's standing on something blue. (A kind of a gem -- semi-precious gem in today's thinking.) We don't even see his feet, just what he's standing on.

And then Jesus. What did Jesus look like? There isn't one hint other than he was a man in the Middle East.

I don't think anyone really draws pictures of God. It's more of what he is like, than what he looks like.

BUT, the commandment is to not worship something other than God, even if we want to call the thing God. That's where the Israelites got in trouble in the wilderness. They really were inspired by that big cloud over the mountain, but they wanted something to focus on when they worshipped God, so they turned what they could not see into an image of a baby cow. And that is something we all struggle with. I know I've gotten fixed on "What was above that blue stuff? If God is standing, he has to have feet." And that is how deep sin goes.

Semantics 101 -- Axiom 1: "The word is not the thing. It is a symbol for the thing."

God doesn't want us to worship symbols. He wants us to worship him.

(Lots of old Communications classes axioms coming into my mind this morning. lol)
Okay, so the commandment is not to worship something other than God. Would the "or any likeness" part of that commandment include drawing? Btw I'm not interested in drawing but its just that I see people doing it.
 

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I heard a lot of Christians say Jesus revealed himself to them and that he looked like a man with long hair and a beard just like the stereotypical pictures of him we always see. I do realize a picture cannot amount to his glory.
1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

The popular hair style at the time was the Roman crewcut. Jesus looked so much like everyone around Him, He was able to blend into a crowd and not be noticed...

Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Slipped right through them.
 

john832

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Okay, so the commandment is not to worship something other than God. Would the "or any likeness" part of that commandment include drawing? Btw I'm not interested in drawing but its just that I see people doing it.
Is a drawing a likeness of something? Of course it is.
 

john832

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Can you? The only "pictures" we have of God are he's standing on something blue. (A kind of a gem -- semi-precious gem in today's thinking.) We don't even see his feet, just what he's standing on.

And then Jesus. What did Jesus look like? There isn't one hint other than he was a man in the Middle East.

I don't think anyone really draws pictures of God. It's more of what he is like, than what he looks like.

BUT, the commandment is to not worship something other than God, even if we want to call the thing God. That's where the Israelites got in trouble in the wilderness. They really were inspired by that big cloud over the mountain, but they wanted something to focus on when they worshipped God, so they turned what they could not see into an image of a baby cow. And that is something we all struggle with. I know I've gotten fixed on "What was above that blue stuff? If God is standing, he has to have feet." And that is how deep sin goes.

Semantics 101 -- Axiom 1: "The word is not the thing. It is a symbol for the thing."

God doesn't want us to worship symbols. He wants us to worship him.

(Lots of old Communications classes axioms coming into my mind this morning. lol)
Rather than semantics, I prefer scripture...

BUT, the commandment is to not worship something other than God, even if we want to call the thing God.
That is the first Commandment...

Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

The second Commandment is different...

Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Seems pretty clear to me, but then I studied engineering.
 

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1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

The popular hair style at the time was the Roman crewcut. Jesus looked so much like everyone around Him, He was able to blend into a crowd and not be noticed...

Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Slipped right through them.
1 Corinthians 11:16 - But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

Not all men had short hair. It depends what was even considered "long" back then.
 
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I heard a lot of Christians say Jesus revealed himself to them and that he looked like a man with long brown hair and a beard just like the stereotypical pictures of him we always see. I do realize a picture cannot amount to his glory.
I have stuffed animals. I also write. I was working on a novel about the stuffed animals, so I was thinking a lot of how to make it a good story and how to write it the best of my abilities. My best times to think are in the shower, washing dishes, walking, and falling asleep.

A little problem developed with thinking about it while falling asleep. The last thing I was thinking about usually shows up in my dreams.

I had a lot of dreams about that book. Guess who the characters were in those dreams.
:eek:

They really were always the characters in the novel, but sometimes they looked like my brothers (usually), and sometimes they were cartoon characters of the not-teddy-bear variety. (My three main characters are the same as those in my avatar -- all teddy bears -- although the rest of the characters are mostly not-teddy-bears. I remember one of the cartoon characters was a giraffe, not-teddy-bear.) Once I even dreamed they were the teddy bears. (Very freaky to see walking/talking teddy bears, even in dreams. lol)

Which of those dreams "revealed" the characters? All of them! It wasn't about what they look like. It's about how they acted that made me realize they were the characters in the novel. It's just hard to visualize without adding a body to the action.

For most people, I think it's about the same when they say that God revealed himself. He does do that. But he reveals something of who he is, not what he looks like. We, creatures of habit, just need a body to go along with the action, so produce it.

The same thing we do with reading. Think of your favorite character in your favorite novel. Do you have him/her firmly in your mind? Now go read it again to find out how far you went to make that image, because the author didn't give you that image. You did.

Which brings it back to worshipping God, not the symbol.
 
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Okay, so the commandment is not to worship something other than God. Would the "or any likeness" part of that commandment include drawing? Btw I'm not interested in drawing but its just that I see people doing it.
Yes! ..............
 

South_FLA

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I have stuffed animals. I also write. I was working on a novel about the stuffed animals, so I was thinking a lot of how to make it a good story and how to write it the best of my abilities. My best times to think are in the shower, washing dishes, walking, and falling asleep.

A little problem developed with thinking about it while falling asleep. The last thing I was thinking about usually shows up in my dreams.

I had a lot of dreams about that book. Guess who the characters were in those dreams.
:eek:

They really were always the characters in the novel, but sometimes they looked like my brothers (usually), and sometimes they were cartoon characters of the not-teddy-bear variety. (My three main characters are the same as those in my avatar -- all teddy bears -- although the rest of the characters are mostly not-teddy-bears. I remember one of the cartoon characters was a giraffe, not-teddy-bear.) Once I even dreamed they were the teddy bears. (Very freaky to see walking/talking teddy bears, even in dreams. lol)

Which of those dreams "revealed" the characters? All of them! It wasn't about what they look like. It's about how they acted that made me realize they were the characters in the novel. It's just hard to visualize without adding a body to the action.

For most people, I think it's about the same when they say that God revealed himself. He does do that. But he reveals something of who he is, not what he looks like. We, creatures of habit, just need a body to go along with the action, so produce it.

The same thing we do with reading. Think of your favorite character in your favorite novel. Do you have him/her firmly in your mind? Now go read it again to find out how far you went to make that image, because the author didn't give you that image. You did.

Which brings it back to worshipping God, not the symbol.
What I'm sayin is that these Christians I'm talking about said that Jesus literally showed himself as a man, along with his glory and qualities, even the holes in his hands, and he had long hair with a beard.
 
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I read this once:

Understanding our identity helps us begin to grasp the significance of the Father's heart for us. As this happens, it shapes our perspective of life in ways that are hard to imagine. It allows us to clearly see the truth of God's love. It also helps us look past the distortions of the brokenness that the realities of this world present to us.

God really showed me this several years ago, as I was trying to work with our godchildren on Scripture memory. Every Sunday morning, people from our simple church would come over for brunch, and we would spend time together. After brunch was over, I would pick a Bible verse and teach it to Jace and Gloriana. Jace was seven, and Gloriana was a very precocious four-year-old.

My goal in teaching them the verse each week was to go beyond Scripture memory and help them to discover the person behind the words. On this particular Sunday, I was teaching them one of my favorites: Proverbs 16:15. In the light of the king's face is life, And his favor is like a cloud of the latter rain. My main objective that week was to teach Jace and Glori the importance of seeking the face of God.

Jace was getting it pretty easily, but Gloriana was struggling a bit. I decided that maybe she would understand things easier if she could act it out, so I sent her about twenty feet down the hallway and asked her to stop and face me.

"Gloriana, look at me," I said. "Now what do you see?"

"Uhh, I see you, Uncle Brad."

"What else do you see?"

She frowned. "I see the sofa you are sitting on, and the window behind you."

She did not seem too enthusiastic about my object lesson. I had her walk about ten feet closer and then asked her the question again.
"Gloriana, what: do you see?"

This time she let out a little huff before she answered. "I see you, Uncle Brad."

"What else do you see?"

"The same things I saw before," she said. "I see the sofa and the window."

"Look closer, Gloriana," I said. "Can you see anything else?"

I could see her little eyes focusing as she started to notice details that she could not see from her original view. Now we were getting someplace.

My goal was for her to see that if she got closer to me, then she would be able to see me in more details. I had her come and stand right in front of my face. I was sure that this would help her to understand my point. Little did I know that she was getting ready to go beyond that and to teach me one of the most important lessons I have ever learned.

As she stood just a few inches away from my face, I repeated my instructions.

"Gloriana, look at me. Now what do you see"

As I have already stated, Gloriana was a precocious little four-year-old. As she opened her mouth to answer, I watched her facial expression change from the kind of exasperation a teenager trapped in a four-year-old's body would express at being asked the same question for a third time, into amazement and wonder.

"Gloriana, what do you see?"

"Ah!" she squeaked. "I see me! I see me!"

It took me a moment to figure out what she meant. Then it hit me. Glori was standing close enough to me that she was seeing her own reflection in my eyes. I think my spirit went into shock that morning as God used a child to teach me the lesson of a lifetime.

When we get close enough to God, not only are we changed from glory to glory as we behold His beauty, but we become free to see ourselves in His eyes. When we see ourselves in the eyes of His love, it is without all of the distortions and brokenness of this life.

When we determine to pursue God as a loving Father, with the confidence that we belong in His presence because we are His children, it will free us to get close enough to see ourselves in His eyes. Who you are in the Father's eyes is who you really are. Your experience in this world will try to convince you that you are guilty and condemned, but through His eyes, you are Holy and blameless before Him in love.

Ephesians 2:6 says that you are already "seated with Christ in the heavenly realms." We know that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father, which means that we are too. I believe that we were meant to live this life from the lap of our Father, drawing close to His heart, looking deep into His eyes.
 

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In my art, I have never drawn a face, but I have depicted:

His hand or arm to represent how he carries us.
The bottom of his robe to show the woman touching it for healing.
As light.
The palm of his hand with my name written on it.

There is an old old picture showing Jesus in the garden with His face upturned to heaven. His hands are resting on each other upon a rock, and all is dark around him, but there is a light on his face- you can vaguely see the disciples sleeping in
the distance. For some reason, I like that one.