Are you preterist or merely 'modified post-trib'?

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MattTooFor

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This may be a very short-lived thread. I'm just curious as to whether some people here aren't so much "preterist" as they are simply rejecting "pre-tribulation rapture" false doctrine?

In other words, when all the trials and tribulations of this old world are done with...you do believe God places all humanity in front of Him for a momentous Judgement Day, don't you? Or maybe you don't. That's why I ask. But that, to me...would just be a modified "post-trib" position.

Jesus said "in this world you will have tribulation". After that, when the world ends and there is this "Judgment Day" where both the "great and small" stand before God and the saints are tasked with participation in this judging process (1Cor. 6:2-3)...we have to get up to heaven somehow, right?

So that would mean we have to have a "rapture" (a supernatural translation) of some form or fashion. Unless (as I said before) we're going to use giants catapults or souped-up 747's.

I had a brief exchange with one guy here who doesn't believe we go to heaven at all (if I understood correctly)! Thinks it was an idea concocted by 15th century monks (or said something like that).

Just curious.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Post trib still believes that there will be a 100 year reign of Christ on earth, with satan bound, Followed by his release. one final battle (which really is no battle at all) followed by judgment, and the new heaven new earth. so they are still pre-millennial in thinking, where as preterism are a-millennial in thinking
 
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MattTooFor

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eternally-gratefull said:
Post trib still believes that there will be a 100 year reign of Christ on earth, with satan bound, Followed by his release. one final battle (which really is no battle at all) followed by judgment, and the new heaven new earth. so they are still pre-millennial in thinking, where as preterism are a-millennial in thinking
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I understand all that. I'm just wondering if preterists concede we (or whoever is on the earth at that time) will need to be transported up to heaven somehow eventually.
 
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So if a person believed/thought that Gog and magog were rising up then they would believe that the 1000 years had already ended and the devil was loosed from the pit,what would he then be?
 
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I should add though that it was not me I am describing in post #4 I'll tell you who it is if someone can figure out what their position is(everyone knows them) . But in the past I also have noticed the differences in what is argued as to the pre,post,mid tribulation I at first thought it was a partial vrs.full preterist thing but who am I to say what another persons position is.

I take it that if they believed that the devil was bound 2000 years ago then the mill. began then which makes the 1000 years a thousand years too long by now. Then again if they thought that the 1000 years were now expired and the devil is loosed for a little season then that would mean that they also believed that the first ress. had already taken place and so the only ress. that is left would be the 2nd ress. which means that they believed that they had missed the first ress. of the dead and were going to be a part of the 2nd. which then would mean they were to be judged according to the books.

I see your curiosity though in the timing of the resurrection and judgement and I am curious as to what an full or partial preterist will explain in it's regards also.
 
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MattTooFor

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iamsoandso said:
I see your curiosity though in the timing of the resurrection and judgement and I am curious as to what an full or partial preterist will explain in it's regards also.
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I'm just trying to figure out how much common ground I might have with some preterists. I have this suspicion some people advocate preterism because they're so annoyed with starry-eyed "PreTribbers" (mostly Americans) who believe they get raptured to heaven on "flowery beds of ease" and miraculously escape all the severe persecutions all other believers have had to go through all over the world for 2000 years.
 
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JustWhoIAm

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Can anyone make a meme picture of Jesus with an octopus head, please?
 
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Just pointing out that to be either kind of "Tribber", you first have to believe the Bible actually speaks of a specific, identified event dubbed "THE Great Tribulation"..... or, if it says that there will simply be a lot of (great) trouble (tribulation) in those days.
 
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MattTooFor

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JustWhoIAm said:
Can anyone make a meme picture of Jesus with an octopus head, please?
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Uh...I think I'm a little late to your conversation. Either that or I'm running low on my medical marijuana.
 
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LaurenTM

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no worries

there are definitely dyed in the wool preterists here...some like to play hide and seek but after awhile, it becomes clear

some see themselves as a social class that has risen above the simple person' trust in the Bible and take great pride in their allegorical interpretations

not having a pre or post trib exchange...just answering your question
 
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MattTooFor

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Willie-T said:
Just pointing out that to be either kind of "Tribber", you first have to believe the Bible actually speaks of a specific, identified event dubbed "THE Great Tribulation"..... or, if it says that there will simply be a lot of (great) trouble (tribulation) in those days.
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Setting that aside for the moment, what do preterists do with the "angels gathering the elect from one end of the heavens to the other"...I am wondering? That doesn't really happen, or something? Again, just curious.
 
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unless the first resurrection is a spiritual one - being born again; buried and raised with Christ.
 
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LaurenTM

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zone is full preterist

and proud of it
 
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MattTooFor

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LaurenTM said:
no worries

there are definitely dyed in the wool preterists here...some like to play hide and seek but after awhile, it becomes clear

some see themselves as a social class that has risen above the simple person' trust in the Bible and take great pride in their allegorical interpretations

not having a pre or post trib exchange...just answering your question
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Ah, thanks for the clarification. As I said, I'm late to the conversation. Many battles must have gone on previously. I can imagine it might become exasperating, dealing with the non-literalism of Prets.

And you're right -- I think I have caught a little bit of this "we're the only ones who can think objectively" business.
 
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MattTooFor

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zone said:
rubbish.
you clearly know nothing, but you like to shoot your mouth off
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My theory is...a lot of folks are fed up with this whole dispensationalist, PreTrib, "raptured to heaven on flowery beds of ease", pro-"military/industrial complex", "kill all the brown people -- let God sort'em out later" thing that goes on among conservative Evangelicals, particularly in America.
 
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MattTooFor

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The whole thing seems to go back to dispensationalism and PreTrib. So...depending on how one defines preterism...I may have substantial agreement with such. So I was curious. Like I said, this may be a very short thread.
 
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MattTooFor said:
The whole thing seems to go back to dispensationalism and PreTrib. So...depending on how one defines preterism...I may have substantial agreement with such. So I was curious. Like I said, this may be a very short thread.
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Perhaps you dance too fast for some of us. Can you be plainer and more specific? I think every one of us is a Futurist about some things, and a Preterist about others. I'm certainly a Preterist about the cross.
 
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MattTooFor

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Willie-T said:
Perhaps you dance too fast for some of us. Can you be plainer and more specific? I think every one of us is a Futurist about some things, and a Preterist about others. I'm certainly a Preterist about the cross.
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I just thought if some preterists argue that all of the Olivet Discourse prophecies have already happened, they would need to somehow explain away the "gathering of the elect" rapture passage.

But if a given preterist does NOT explain it away and DOES accept this rapture passage...then I would have a pretty fair degree of common worldview:

Life on this earth is fraught with trials and tribulations...American Christians look to be headed for severe or at least quite serious persecution...and when all the troubles of this world are over with and when God has had enough...He will return to earth and "gather" us into His presence.

That's rather close to my view...with some notable exceptions.
 
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LaurenTM

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MattTooFor said:
Ah, thanks for the clarification. As I said, I'm late to the conversation. Many battles must have gone on previously. I can imagine it might become exasperating, dealing with the non-literalism of Prets.

And you're right -- I think I have caught a little bit of this "we're the only ones who can think objectively" business.
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I don't see a pre trib...

we have had some lovely preterist threads as of late with at least one preterist trying to pretend they were only trying to find out what it was when they actually wanted to talk about their favorite subject

it got old fast as some of the long time members here were acquainted with the one who started the thread and would have none of it

but I digress.............
 
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