BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH

abcdef · Mar 28, 2017

Locutus,

We disagree on some things! Big deal! Get over it!

Can't you see how many things that we do agree on? Places were I agree with you?

Matt 24, etc., dest of Jeru, yes.

Acts 2:16-21, dest of Jeru, yes.

Rev 6:12-17, dest of Jeru., yes.

Rev 6:10, about the dest of Jeru., yes.

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How will we ever learn if we just exchange ideas with those people who agree with us all the time?

That's no challenge!

Get out your sword (Bible) and fight!

abcdef · Apr 3, 2017

Jesus will come for the Pentecost kingdom 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies.

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This is based on 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24,

1. 1st resurrection.....Jesus and all the OT saints

The OT saints are seen with Jesus at the writing of the Revelation.

2. 2nd resurrection....Jesus comes for the Pentecost Kingdom.

The dead rise, we meet Him in the air.

3. The end....of the resurrections and this planet. Fire from heaven Rev 20, last judgement.

4. Death destroyed.....As shown in Rev 20:14-15.

5. The Kingdom is delivered up to the Father.......For the wedding.

6. Jesus submits to the Father to be all in all.

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Revelation is not one timeline.

The 7th trumpet (last), the 7th vial, and the fire from heaven in Rev 20, are all the same events.

(the 6th/7th seals show the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad, [Lk 23:28-30, 30, compared to Rev 6:12:17, 16])

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We are at the end of Revelation, not the beginning.

The events that are taking place in the Middle East are leading to the fall of Jerusalem to Iran (Kings of the East) and their allies (Russia, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, etc, it's a long list).

This is shown in Rev 20:2, as the dragon (Rome, Rev 12:3), deceiving Magog to surround Jerusalem. Also see Rev 16:12-16.

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As time goes by,

The situation will become clearer, if you have not realized it yet.

Jerusalem is going to fall to Iran.

3 1/2 days later will be the resurrection and the end of this planet.

When the resurrection takes place, if you are still here,

you will be killed by the fire from heaven.

There won't be any 2nd chances.

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abcdef · Apr 3, 2017

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Syria threatens Israel with 800 scud missiles.

abcdef · Apr 3, 2017

New Hampshire 8968 sq mi.

Vermont 9250 sq mi.

New Jersey 7417 sq mi

Israel 8019 sq mi

popeye · Apr 3, 2017

abcdef said:

This would be the first resurrection, when Jesus rose, the first fruits.

When Jesus ascended, He brought with Him the 144000 firstfruits Rev 14:4, the Multitude that no man can count (mnmc#), the 24 elders, etc., Eph 4:8-10, 8.

They are seen in heaven with Jesus in the Revelation.

They would be Adam, Abel, Noah, Abraham, Israel, Moses, David, John the Baptist, the thief on the cross, etc.

This would be the coming of Jesus for the Pentecost Kingdom (church), at the end of this material world, 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.

Then it is the end, when death is destroyed, and the kingdom is delivered up to the Father (completed kingdom).

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The angel is asked in Dan 12:6, how long to the end of these wonders?

The answer was 3 1/2 times until the power of the holy people is scattered, v 7.

This shows the everything in the LAST VISION of Daniel should be completed by 70 ad.

That would include the resurrection of Jesus and the OT saints seen in v 2.

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Yes, isn't that what we preach? The resurrection of the dead? The judgement of the souls of men and women?

We still preach it to this day 1900 years later.

And it is still about to happen, it is closer than ever now.

What is 1900 years, compared to the age of creation? Or the eternity of 10 billion years times 10 billion years times 10 billion years?

1900 years, Not even hardly a tick, just an instant, a moment, a mist, in eternity.

Forgotten, in the presence of God, every tear wiped away.

I would say no, from this point of view.

No,the 144 k were not part of Jesus Firstfruit resurrection. They are present in The GT,and are sealed AGAINST THE SCORPION PLAGUE.

They are first fruit JEWS. TRIBES. they are not of firstfruit of CHRIST.

You have a clue in that 1thes 4 says " the dead in Christ rise first..."

See that ? "IN CHRIST"
NO OTHERS.

abcdef · Apr 4, 2017

popeye said:

Jesus did not ascend to the Father alone, Eph 4:8.

The 144000 are part of that host.

The mnmc# is seen in heaven with the 144000 and Jesus.

If they are seen in heaven, then they are not on planet earth.

If they are souls in heaven, then they are not born yet, or dead, resurrected souls.

If they are resurrected souls, then they must have lived and died already.

If they have lived and died, and have been resurrected, then they have received new bodies, covered by the blood of Jesus, so they are able to stand in the presence of God.

If they have received new bodies purified by the blood of Jesus, then they will not be returning to the flesh, as the temptation and sin that is associated with the flesh will allow them to become sinful again.

Becoming sinful again, would prevent them from being with Jesus in Rev 14.

1st, 3 1/2ts, From the angel in Babylon Dan 12:7, until 70 ad.

The GT, 2nd half (3 1/2ts), 70 ad - 1967.

The 7 times (not years), are the same time as the statue of the nations in Dan. 2, which is the time that the gentile nations rule over Israel, until Israel is restored to Jerusalem 1967.

The 144000 and the other souls from the first resurrection are in heaven during this time, they will never return to this planet Rev 7:16.

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It doesn't say that the 144000 are sealed "against the scorpion plague", that is an assumption.

It does say that the Father's name is on their foreheads, Rev 14:1.

That would imply that they were sealed against the 2nd death, or any sin.

I agree,

Then they are not members of the Pentecost Kingdom (church), they are from Pre Kingdom times, the OT.

Remember how many times that Brother Ahwatukee has told us that the church is not mentioned after Rev 4?

That is because the 144000 and the mnmc# are NOT the church, they are the OT SAINTS, resurrected with Jesus.

That is why that they are not called the church.

They are the first fruits of the resurrection of the OT saints.

The first fruit of the Pentecost Kingdom (church), are from the Day of Pentecost and after.

The 144000 are not that group, they are OT saints,

These souls are from the Pentecost Kingdom (church), they are "in Christ".

They are souls in paradise, waiting for the resurrection.

1 Thess 4:13-18,

3 groups.

1. V 14, "Bring with him", the 144000, mnmc#, etc., the OT saints.

2. V 16, "The dead in Christ rise first", Members of the Pentecost Kingdom who are in Paradise.

3. V 17, "Alive and remain", Members of kingdom who are alive at the resurrection.

Jn 5:28-29

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Brother Popeye,

Sorry it took so long to answer,

These are indeed, strange days.

abcdef · Apr 8, 2017

Friends,

The battle of Armageddon is coming.

Israel will lose.

Jerusalem will fall to Iran and it's allies, Magog.

Then Jesus will return and take us to His throne for the judgement of the deeds done in the flesh.

It is with great fear and trembling that I write this.

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Yes, you wanted to know the truth, prayed to know.

Now you know that it is the end of Israel, and Jesus destroys this planet with fire, Rev 20.

This is the sweet/poison scroll that John ate in Rev 10 & 11.

The nation of Israel (natural branches), are restored to control of Jerusalem 1967, but the people of Israel (the 2 witnesses) are killed, in Jerusalem.

Then the 7th/last trumpet blows! And Jesus comes for the kingdom.......then the earthquake, the hail, and the fire.

Get ready, Get ready, Behold the Bridegroom Cometh ! He is coming !

Wake up! Wake up!

Armageddon will happen soon, before our eyes!

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Friends, I want to say I'm sorry, but I really can't, I don't feel like I am allowed to.

I mean, Isn't the coming of the Bridegroom, supposed to be a happy event??

The Bridegroom comes about midnight, the darkest of time for Israel.

Look at the Middle East, look at reality, look at Israel surrounded by Enemies, my friend, these are the darkest of times for Israel, wild and natural branches.

Well, I don't feel happy, I'm miserable about the lives and souls that will be lost in the terrible events that we are about to face.

And I know that I must face Jesus, soon, very soon,

Lord God Almighty,

The Creator,

The great I AM,

The One who said, No man can see My face and live.

We will see His face, and we will live with Him forever or be cut off.

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You want me to prove what I say? I can only give you the scriptures and how that it is revealed to me.

But these prophecies are supposed to be understood BEFORE they happen, so that when they DO happen, they will be recognized and plain to all.

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What will be said when the great battle is raging in the valley of Armageddon between Israel, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and Russia? Not too long from now? Months? Years, I don't know.

They will say, "Jesus will return and save them".

But I don't believe that the scriptures say that Jesus will save them (physically from being killed), at least in the way that most popular viewpoints see it.

Many individuals, who are of the flesh natural branches, are living in Israel right now and are Christians, and becoming Christians.

But the "nation/state" of Israel will probably never accept Jesus as the Messiah, and switch from a "Jewish" state to a "Christian" state.

That is why Israel is destroyed and Jerusalem falls, because, in the end, Israel's time is up, accept Jesus as the Messiah, Become part of the spiritual Pentecost Kingdom, or not, most do not, but some do.

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Look, all these things are coming together in our time, right now!

All the Magog nations are in place, The Kings of the East across the Euphrates is Iran.

Soon the forces of these nations, will turn on a nation half the size of Belgium, half the size of the Netherlands.

Every day, they swear to destroy the Beloved of God.

The spirit of death and destruction, genocide, of the children of God, wild and natural.

The winds of destruction from across the Euphrates are growing stronger.

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Preach, preach and witness, like never before.

Fire up your lamp.

abcdef · Apr 15, 2017

How close are we now? 4-15-17?

Each day, moving closer to the battle of Armageddon with Israel, Syria, Iran, and Russia?

Can't you see it coming?

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I believe people do see it coming, but don't quite understand.

They say, "It can't be, it can't be," but it is.

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The battle, when it soon takes place, what will the prophets say?

"Jesus will come back and save them, Israel and Jerusalem.",

I pray to Jesus that He comes and saves them, Israel,

Should I dare pray against the prophecies of God? Against His will? No, I pray for mercy, mercy, mercy, and mercy.

And surely to pray for mercy and blessings on Israel is God's will.

But it is not to be.

Why? Israel does not accept Jesus. Some do, many do, but not enough, God knows how many, not me.

I pray that Israel accepts Jesus as the Messiah, as well as all.

Rev 9:20-21, "Repented not", Rev is about Israel and the restoration to Jerusalem. This shows that after the 6th trumpet blows, Israel still does not accept Jesus as the Messiah, if they did, they would "repent". Then the 7th trumpet blows.

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But the forces of evil are closing in, soon, Israel, Jerusalem, and this planet will be no more.

Israel is the 2 witnesses who are killed after being restored to Jerusalem, just at the 7th trumpet.

This is going to happen in front of us.

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When Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies, there will never be another Israel on this planet again, only in the eternal heaven.

popeye · Apr 15, 2017

Your template,for it to be viable,we need the GT,and the antichrist,complete with a destroyed planet,then the 1000 year reign of Christ with a rod of iron...........TO ALL BE COMPLETED.

You can not possibly be serious.

abcdef · Apr 15, 2017

popeye said:

Brother Popeye,

Pick a scripture, let us reason together.

Rondonmon · Apr 15, 2017

abcdef said:

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Jesus will come for the Pentecost kingdom 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies.

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This is based on 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24,

1. 1st resurrection.....Jesus and all the OT saints

The OT saints are seen with Jesus at the writing of the Revelation.

2. 2nd resurrection....Jesus comes for the Pentecost Kingdom.

The dead rise, we meet Him in the air.

3. The end....of the resurrections and this planet. Fire from heaven Rev 20, last judgement.

4. Death destroyed.....As shown in Rev 20:14-15.

5. The Kingdom is delivered up to the Father.......For the wedding.

6. Jesus submits to the Father to be all in all.

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Revelation is not one timeline.

The 7th trumpet (last), the 7th vial, and the fire from heaven in Rev 20, are all the same events.

(the 6th/7th seals show the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad, [Lk 23:28-30, 30, compared to Rev 6:12:17, 16])

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We are at the end of Revelation, not the beginning.

The events that are taking place in the Middle East are leading to the fall of Jerusalem to Iran (Kings of the East) and their allies (Russia, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, etc, it's a long list).

This is shown in Rev 20:2, as the dragon (Rome, Rev 12:3), deceiving Magog to surround Jerusalem. Also see Rev 16:12-16.

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As time goes by,

The situation will become clearer, if you have not realized it yet.

Jerusalem is going to fall to Iran.

3 1/2 days later will be the resurrection and the end of this planet.

When the resurrection takes place, if you are still here,

you will be killed by the fire from heaven.

There won't be any 2nd chances.

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Jesus will come when the Father tells him to come.

abcdef · Apr 16, 2017

Rondonmon said:

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Jesus has been given "all power" by the Father, Matt 28:18.

If Jesus does not know the time of His coming (resurrection), and has to be told,

Then He did not receive "all power", but only "some power".

Jesus told us all about His coming and when it will be in Revelation.

MattforJesus · Apr 16, 2017

abcdef said:

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,God and man in harmony,and Jesus could either speak as a man or God while on earth.

The Bible says that there is one God,and one Mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.

The man Christ Jesus is our Savior,for only a sinless man can approach a holy God on mankind's behalf.No man is sinless so God reconciled mankind to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony,and His human body the Mediator between God and men.

Jesus said all power is given unto Me in heaven,and in earth.

King David said,the LORD said unto My Lord,sit on My right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.

And in another place,and the Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered,the last one being death,and when all His enemies are conquered then the Son shall also be in subjection to Him that put all things under Him,that God may be all in all.

God's right hand represents power,wisdom,and salvation,which when He brought the Jews out of Egypt,He brought them out with a mighty right hand,and Christ the power,and wisdom of God,whom by we receive salvation.

There is only one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,which is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus told the disciples,if you have seen Me,you have seen the Father,and it is the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works,and in another place,no person has seen God at any time,the only begotten Son,who is in the bosom of the Father,He has declared Him.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,and the Mediator between God and men,is the man Christ Jesus,and He is at the right hand until His enemies are made His footstool,and the Son must reign until His enemies are conquered,and when they are conquered,then the Son shall be subject unto the Father,that God may be all in all,and there is only one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power,be at the right hand,because He is the Mediator,until His enemies are conquered,then the Son shall stop exercising the throne of power,stop being at the right hand,for His Mediator role is no longer needed,and God will be all in all,which means the saints do not have to go through the Son to have a relationship with the Father,but they will have a direct relationship with the Father.

Jesus being at the right hand of God does not mean He sits on a throne next to the Father,but He is ruling the throne of power,which God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints,until His Mediator role is done,and there is one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,which is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus is the only person that the saints will see in heaven,who is a visible manifestation of the invisible God,and if you have seen Jesus then you have seen the Father,and Jesus is the visible relationship of God to the saints forever.

The man Christ Jesus is the only begotten Son of God,for He is the only human ever to be conceived by the Spirit of God,so the Son does not know the day of His coming,which means the man Christ Jesus,the flesh,does not know,but as God Jesus does know when He will come back.

abcdef · Apr 16, 2017

MattforJesus said:

So then, Jesus does know the day right now, yes?

And He told us about it in the REV. right?

It's all about the time line.

The Rev. is not one continual time line, it is a broken time line.

Knowing that there are only 2 resurrections is one key 1 Cor 15:23-24.

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Matt 24, in my opinion, is about the fall of Jerusalem in 70 ad. and the times of the gentiles.

This verse in Lk 21:24, mentions "the times of the gentiles". (The parallel passage)

In the past this time period had been thought of as exclusively the time of the battle for Jerusalem in 70 ad. (3 1/2 literal years)

But the time did not end when the battle was over, the gentiles continued to trample Jerusalem until 1967. (Also see Rev 11:2, tread, trample)

The reason, I think, was because people didn't think that Jerusalem could never be restored to Israel, the "control" of Jerusalem.

I have seen several books from the late 1800's that speak of this issue of Israel's restoration.

Most say that it is not seen in their immediate future and they doubt that it will ever happen.

Except now it has happened, and it was 50 years ago.

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This time period, "the times of the Gentiles" (ToGs), is the great tribulation of Israel (not the gentile planet).

It spans the time of 70 ad until 1967.

It is the 2nd Time, times, and a half time (3 1/2ts).

The first is from Babylon until 70 ad. Dan 12:6.

The 7 times are also the same time as the "Metal Man" statue in Dan 2.

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Would you agree, that the iron legs/toes of Dan 2 are Rome?

Would you agree that the 4th beast of Dan 7 is Rome?

If the 4th beast of Dan 7 is Rome, then the little horn must be Roman, Yes?

abcdef · Apr 17, 2017

Locutus,

This planet will end sometime through the natural progression of time, Yes?

WHAT will stop the natural progression of time and events?

And WHEN will it be stopped?

abcdef · Apr 30, 2017

1-4 seals, The 4 spirits of the earth turn against Israel for rejecting the gospel. 37 ad.

5th seal, martyrs from the Roman beast's nation invasion of Israel are seen in heaven, they were resurrected with Jesus.

6th seal, the dest of Jerusalem, 70 ad, the "scroll that flies away" is the protection of God over Israel/Jerusalem. It became clear to Israel that they have crucified the Messiah ( He who sits on the throne), when Jerusalem was destroyed as Jesus had predicted in Matt 24, etc.. Heaven and earth finally passed away at this time symbolically (there were remnants after the cross). The proof that the time spoken of here is the dest of Jeru is Lk 23:30, where Jesus spoke the words directly to the women of Jerusalem of that time.

7th seal, 70 ad, the opening of this seal, is the best evidence for a "post destruction" writing of the Revelation. According to Dan. 12:4-7, the scroll could not be opened until AFTER the 3 1/2 times had been completed and the power scattered.
(that would be the 1st 3 1/2 times from Babylon to 70 ad, the 2nd 3 1/2 times is from 70 ad until 1967 when the power was "reunited/reunified" in Jerusalem)
The power was scattered in 70 ad.

1/2 hour of silence, (from heaven to men), 70 ad until the writing of the Rev.. Jesus had predicted the coming of the dest and the beginning of the times of the gentiles (ToGs), but not what would come after that, that is, how long would the ToGs last until Israel was restored to Jerusalem? (the answer is 3 1/2 times)
(the 7 times are the same time as the metal man statue in Dan. 2, when Israel is restored to Jerusalem, and the domination of the iron legs/toes kingdom is finished (4th beast Dan. 7), the statue ends and the stone strikes)

1-4 trumpets, The 4 parts of creation Rev 14:7, where ever the natural branches are among the gentiles. The natural branches suffer God's withholding of blessings after the ToGs begin. The withholding from the fountain of God's blessings is bitter. The mountain of Jerusalem is covered by the seas of the gentiles. The meaning of the scriptures is dimmed, the light is not complete by 1/3, the Holy Spirit is missing for the natural branches.

5th trumpet, 1929, the Roman dragon beast nation, becomes a nation again.
iron legs/toes 4th beast dragon beast with 8 heads 10 kings the harlot sea beast earth beast, they are all one, get it?
Rome came back in the EXACT SAME SPOT that it was 2000 years ago!!!!! With the same religion, Caesar worship.

6th trumpet, 9/11, the beginning of the final events before the 7th trumpet.
An army of great numbers assembles across the Euphrates from Israel and Jerusalem. They are men with desire to kill Israel. At this time, Israel still does not repent.....Recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

The story of what the little scroll says is given here, just after the 6th trumpet and just before the 7th trumpet. this shows that it could not be understood in it's entirety until after the 6th trumpet blows.
The scroll is the same story as the seals and trumpets together. Israel is restored to Jerusalem, but is killed after being restored.

7th trumpet, the resurrection/rapture of His coming, the dead "in Christ" rise first. The last trumpet and the final/last resurrection, then the end of this Planet and the material world.

1-4 vials, the same time period as the trumpets, it is the enemies of God that suffer from God's withholding of blessings. The killing of the natural branches is torment on their souls. The creation is against them, they know better, but still they go on (mainly Rome). (Pilate washed his hands)

5 vial, God withholds His blessings on the seat of the Roman beast when Rome comes out of the abyss in 1929. Darkness falls on the people of Israel, 1929-1945.

6th vial, the powers across the Euphrates are deceived and march toward Israel and Jerusalem.

7th vial, the end of Israel in the material world and the end of this planet, by the stone of Dan, 2:34-35.

the mill,

Satan is bound/limited by the fact that Israel is scattered among the gentile nations (clay) (Rev 12:14-16). The church period is between the 2 resurrections. When the dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns V 2, comes out of the abyss he attacks restored to Israel Jerusalem by means of the gentile nations, Magog.
Jesus rules the kingdom from heaven on the throne. Those beheaded are John the Baptist, killed by Rome.
The fire from heaven is the stone of Dan. 2. after it strikes, eternity.

tanakh · Apr 30, 2017

There seems to be a competition going on to see who can create the most imaginative last days scenario
I wonder what the prize will be.

abcdef · Apr 30, 2017

tanakh said:

To see Jesus smile and say "well done", will be enough for me.

abcdef · May 8, 2017

Keep your eyes on Israel.

Jerusalem will soon fall to Iran and it's allies.

Then it is the end of this planet, judgement, and eternity begins.

abcdef · May 13, 2017

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5/13/17

Brothers and Sisters,

I have been here for over a year, I have learned A LOT.

And I hope that I have made you think, study, search, and reason.

I don't want to destroy anyone's beliefs.

I want to build on the truths.

But I have found, that it must be shown, how somethings cannot be true, in order to rebuild on solid ground.

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Think about this,

Where have you heard any one else say the things that I do? Only here on CC.

No one else has shown that Jerusalem is going to fall to Iran.

No one else has shown that the planet is about to be destroyed by fire.

Has any one that you know of, ever said that we are at the end of Revelation, just before the resurrection and the fire from heaven?

Has any one else made it so clear, that the beast, is the iron legs/toes, 4th beast, Roman dragon with 7 heads etc.?

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Did you think that the truth would be the most popular belief?

My preacher went to school and they said this or that.

Go to your denomination's website, to see what YOU believe, really?

Everybody in my church believes that.

RCC is in the majority, are they right? Run with the herd if you want to. (narrow is the way)

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What is happening in the Middle East right now, is setting the stage for Armageddon and the end of Israel.

Rome is restored, the beast. 1929

Israel is restored to Jerusalem, 1967

The Kings of the East, across the Euphrates, are gathering the armies, the 200 mil..

Israel is surrounded by the gentile nations, Magog.

All these things, happening together, it's NOT BY CHANCE!

This is prophecy fulfilling in front of us.

And these prophecies are supposed to be understood BEFORE they happen, there will be no repentance, when these prophecies are fulfilled, because this world will be no more.

Christians are supposed to understand, see that these things are coming.

This is the last chance to produce fruit (souls) unto salvation.

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There will come a time, when the gospel will no longer be heard on planet earth.

A time when the call to repentance ends.

No longer will the seed be planted, and produce fruit.

The time of the kingdom on this planet is coming to a close forever.

There is really no time left.

Maybe mos., or a few years, I really don't know the hour or day, according to the time of men.

When Jerusalem falls, that is it. 3 1/2 days. Jesus comes for the Kingdom. Then the fire and judgment. Eternity begins.

BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH

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