Is it a sin to strive to "be like the most high God"?

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know1

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As most of you know, this is one of the things Lucifer said he will be, and in a sense, he accomplished what he said. But is it a sin for us to want or strive to be like God? And when I say "like God", I mean to walk as Jesus walked, do as He did [like to pray as He prayed, seek God as He did, command the wind and waves to be still, as He did, and the like], think as He thought, and to speak as He spoke, with the same confidence and authority in our thoughts and actions? Or should we be as servants? Not doing anything but waiting to be told, what to do, what is good for us and what is not, what we will have and what we will not, and the like?
Any thoughts on the matter?
 
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Serve others as He did? No problem with that at all.
 
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God brought his Son to do what Lucifer couldn't. God created Lucifer and the entire heavenly host. It should be strongly noted that the angels know there is a plan and are far more interested about what it is than we are, which is why Lucifer got so close to God.... He wanted to skip ahead, a short cut. He was impatient. Lucifer tempted Eve to do the exact same thing.

Thankfully, His Son, who has been with us since the beginning, came to us... in sinful flesh, human form to show us the proper way to serve the father. The dichotomy being shown here is called faith. This is the patience of the saints, that we are to keep the Father's commandments and hold on to the faith of Jesus. RV. 14:12. And let patience have it's perfect work, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. James 1:4

My advice... Jesus said that if you love Him, keep His commandments... He also said that He did not come to abolish the Torah, but to fulfill it. One way of looking at this is to consider the parallels between Psalms 119 and Romans 7. Now of course some will say this is wrong, that either this is being legalistic or that the law was nailed to the cross and done away with. Both assertions are wrong.

First, a legalist is not someone who obeys the law, a legalist is someone who thinks they are better than everyone else because they obey the law... A legalist is someone who thinks he is someone special because he thinks he received some secret revelation. Truth is, no one is justified by the law. All things point to Jesus, including the law.

Anyone who says otherwise... who believes that Paul is contradicting himself should reflect on 2 Peter 3:16.

Second, the idea that the law was nailed to the cross is a lie. It was the curse that was nailed to the cross, as indicated in Romans 7. Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins, and the Holy Spirit was given to us to help us flee sin as we become more aware of it through observance of the law. Because where sin abounds, grace is more. The law is good, and points to His grace.
 
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know1

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God brought his Son to do what Lucifer couldn't. God created Lucifer and the entire heavenly host. It should be strongly noted that the angels know there is a plan and are far more interested about what it is than we are, which is why Lucifer got so close to God.... He wanted to skip ahead, a short cut. He was impatient. Lucifer tempted Eve to do the exact same thing.

Thankfully, His Son, who has been with us since the beginning, came to us... in sinful flesh, human form to show us the proper way to serve the father. The dichotomy being shown here is called faith. This is the patience of the saints, that we are to keep the Father's commandments and hold on to the faith of Jesus. RV. 14:12. And let patience have it's perfect work, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. James 1:4

My advice... Jesus said that if you love Him, keep His commandments... He also said that He did not come to abolish the Torah, but to fulfill it. One way of looking at this is to consider the parallels between Psalms 119 and Romans 7. Now of course some will say this is wrong, that either this is being legalistic or that the law was nailed to the cross and done away with. Both assertions are wrong.

First, a legalist is not someone who obeys the law, a legalist is someone who thinks they are better than everyone else because they obey the law... A legalist is someone who thinks he is someone special because he thinks he received some secret revelation. Truth is, no one is justified by the law. All things point to Jesus, including the law.

Anyone who says otherwise... who believes that Paul is contradicting himself should reflect on 2 Peter 3:16.

Second, the idea that the law was nailed to the cross is a lie. It was the curse that was nailed to the cross, as indicated in Romans 7. Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins, and the Holy Spirit was given to us to help us flee sin as we become more aware of it through observance of the law. Because where sin abounds, grace is more. The law is good, and points to His grace.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Should we think we are equal with God in some respects?

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these [promises] ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Be a partaker of God's divine nature? Does that include stilling storms?
 

jenniferand2

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As most of you know, this is one of the things Lucifer said he will be, and in a sense, he accomplished what he said. But is it a sin for us to want or strive to be like God? And when I say "like God", I mean to walk as Jesus walked, do as He did [like to pray as He prayed, seek God as He did, command the wind and waves to be still, as He did, and the like], think as He thought, and to speak as He spoke, with the same confidence and authority in our thoughts and actions? Or should we be as servants? Not doing anything but waiting to be told, what to do, what is good for us and what is not, what we will have and what we will not, and the like?
Any thoughts on the matter?
no one will ever be able to be come close to being that good. I would say focus on being you and try to strive to live as Godly as possible but don't let it take over your life and make you forget the true meaning of how you should live. The true meaning of life is not to live to be exactly like God but to teach of his ways and to help others understand the word. I think God would respect you more for helping people then if you were try to be exactly like him. I think if God wanted people to be exactly like him he very easily could have made everyone exactly like him but he did not he made people as individuals for a reason. We are all special in our own way and it is the special way God made us to be. So we should focus on using what God gave us as talents and special purposes to help others. So i would have to say it is not a sin to want to be exactly like God but you may be very disappointed when you do not even come close. Then you will have wasted the valuable life you have away trying to live and be like someone your not...
 
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Theres a difference between the statement of Satan "being like the most high" & being a follower of Christ. Satan wanted to be as God & worshipped. You can however follow Christ & live by Gods word. Christ was sinless & the Lord said "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. Christ is the head we are the body, we can never be the head.
 

know1

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no one will ever be able to be come close to being that good. I would say focus on being you and try to strive to live as Godly as possible but don't let it take over your life and make you forget the true meaning of how you should live. The true meaning of life is not to live to be exactly like God but to teach of his ways and to help others understand the word. I think God would respect you more for helping people then if you were try to be exactly like him. I think if God wanted people to be exactly like him he very easily could have made everyone exactly like him but he did not he made people as individuals for a reason. We are all special in our own way and it is the special way God made us to be. So we should focus on using what God gave us as talents and special purposes to help others. So i would have to say it is not a sin to want to be exactly like God but you may be very disappointed when you do not even come close. Then you will have wasted the valuable life you have away trying to live and be like someone your not...
Jesus said that we shall not only do that which was done to the fig tree, but greater works. And didn't He say nothing would be impossible to them that believe, and through God's word we are made partakers of His divine nature? So why are you telling me that we cannot be like Jesus and do that which He did and greater works?
 
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Ephesians 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;


The word "followers" is the Greek word mimētēs, which means "an imitator".
 
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eternally-gratefull

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As most of you know, this is one of the things Lucifer said he will be, and in a sense, he accomplished what he said. But is it a sin for us to want or strive to be like God? And when I say "like God", I mean to walk as Jesus walked, do as He did [like to pray as He prayed, seek God as He did, command the wind and waves to be still, as He did, and the like], think as He thought, and to speak as He spoke, with the same confidence and authority in our thoughts and actions? Or should we be as servants? Not doing anything but waiting to be told, what to do, what is good for us and what is not, what we will have and what we will not, and the like?
Any thoughts on the matter?
if you are doing it out of gratitude, and because you want to imitate your redeemer.. no, I pray we all strive to do this.. and we should

If your doing it because you think it will earn you salvation. or keep you from losing salvation. Then yes, because you have rejected the cross. and are trying to be saved by works.
 

know1

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if you are doing it out of gratitude, and because you want to imitate your redeemer.. no, I pray we all strive to do this.. and we should

If your doing it because you think it will earn you salvation. or keep you from losing salvation. Then yes, because you have rejected the cross. and are trying to be saved by works.
Agreed to a point.
I want to be like Jesus that I might glorify God through the word of God or the promises of His word, which is Jesus.
 

know1

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if you are doing it out of gratitude, and because you want to imitate your redeemer.. no, I pray we all strive to do this.. and we should

If your doing it because you think it will earn you salvation. or keep you from losing salvation. Then yes, because you have rejected the cross. and are trying to be saved by works.
I want to exalt Jesus by proving that the word of God is truth and that God will do the impossible for them that believe.
I do not want any glory for myself, but for all my works to point to and exalt Jesus. And by doing so, glorify the Father.
 

JaumeJ

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AS long as you do not think you are ever to be equal or above Him.........we all know who thinks this way.

No we should all strive for perfection, but keeping in mind the true perfecting is the work begun in each one of us by God, and He will finish the job, not we. Praise Him always, amen.
 

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As most of you know, this is one of the things Lucifer said he will be, and in a sense, he accomplished what he said. But is it a sin for us to want or strive to be like God? And when I say "like God", I mean to walk as Jesus walked, do as He did [like to pray as He prayed, seek God as He did, command the wind and waves to be still, as He did, and the like], think as He thought, and to speak as He spoke, with the same confidence and authority in our thoughts and actions? Or should we be as servants? Not doing anything but waiting to be told, what to do, what is good for us and what is not, what we will have and what we will not, and the like?
Any thoughts on the matter?
We are commanded to be LIKE God... "Be perfect as I am perfect." "The fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control." "Each of you should have the mind of Christ." But we are not to want to be Deity- like Satan wanted. We need to want to be LIKE God, but we must not want to BE God.
 
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As most of you know, this is one of the things Lucifer said he will be, and in a sense, he accomplished what he said. But is it a sin for us to want or strive to be like God? And when I say "like God", I mean to walk as Jesus walked, do as He did [like to pray as He prayed, seek God as He did, command the wind and waves to be still, as He did, and the like], think as He thought, and to speak as He spoke, with the same confidence and authority in our thoughts and actions? Or should we be as servants? Not doing anything but waiting to be told, what to do, what is good for us and what is not, what we will have and what we will not, and the like?
Any thoughts on the matter?
How did Jesus walk? How did He say He did what He did??
 

jerry2465

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[h=1]1 Corinthians 11:1English Standard Version (ESV)[/h] 11 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ

Paul says to imitate him, as he tries to imitate Christ. This was not Paul trying to earn his salvation. Jesus was the perfect model of righteousness, therefore we should always strive to model after him also because the church (us) are his body. If we do this then our light will shine and others will see God in us so that they too might come to the truth. All this for God's glory not ours
 
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To imitate means to be of the same thought or deed. The real question is: where does this "imitation" originate? A religious good moral living person that is not a Christian could "imitate" Christ or Paul in behavior.

Is it the life of Christ being expressed and manifested in and through us? Then it will be legitimate and of God. The term "imitate" is used as a description of what the real life of Christ looks like when being expressed in and through us.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Should we think we are equal with God in some respects?
No.

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these [promises] ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Be a partaker of God's divine nature? Does that include stilling storms?
We are merely containers of the divine, and never does the container become its contents.

It's God who stills storms.
 
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This is our goal to be one with Christ and the Father.

We have to learn, to follow, to be changed, to be transformed, to listen, to be obedient,
to confess, to repent, to be open hearted, to let God heal us.
 
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It is a ridiculous thought because we have a flesh nature and can not even go through a day without failing somewhere. As the heavens are higher then the earth so are My ways higher then your ways (God). Just be satisfied that God is your Father and Jesus is your Savior and try to do those things pleasing to God.
 

know1

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Ephesians 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;


The word "followers" is the Greek word mimētēs, which means "an imitator".
Thank you ma'am for pointing that out, and understand that the below is not directed at you personally.
Who is our shining example to imitate? Unlike most on this forum, I believe we should not only be like Jesus in character, but also to be like Him in power.

Mat 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

The will of God is for the blind to see, the lame to walk, the lepers to be cleansed, the deaf to hear, the dead to be raised up, and the gospel preached to the poor.
In today's society, only the gospel is preached to the poor, the rest is left undone, because very few believe God will heal through them, like He did with Jesus, because it has been demonized and mocked by the heads of the main stream denominational churches and their congregations.
No, we'll never be as good as our Savior, but it is enough to be AS our Lord and master in EVERY respect.

Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

When Jesus walked the earth, He gave His disciples power to do the same works He did, which was and still is, the will of God for us to do today. Only Jesus isn't here in physical form to tell each of us that He has given us the same power, so we walk about as though we can do nothing, and so, being too afraid to do anything, we do just that, nothing but preach the gospel. We can preach and teach because we don't need God's power or Spirit to speak. Why, even the wolves in sheep's clothing, who stand at the pulpits, do the same.
If one has to hear the gospel to believe in Jesus to be their savior, then I would think the same needs to be done for us to believe that we too can still storms and heal the sick. God's will doesn't change from generation to generation. So why is it that God's will is so different for this generation from the others? It is because the preachers have been teaching their congregations that God doesn't do those things anymore. Where is that written? Or they say, sometimes God says, no. Again, where is that one written in the bible? God said, "every promise in Christ Jesus is yea and amen."

2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Should it be necessary for me to write the definition of the word, all? In order for one to believe God says, no, they HAVE TO IGNORE, or fail to take into consideration, or doubt the truth of, the above verse. If you didn't get an answer, which translates to nothing happened concerning your prayer, then you need to look at yourself as the problem, not God. Nor try to use the bible as a crutch for your failures.
Understand this, God doesn't say no, He just has a hearing problem with the sinners and the sinners saved by grace.