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The 144,0000 is about the future dealings of God with Israel to which didnt exist during Rutherfords time because it is an event which will took place in the future.
There is such misunderstanding to this 144,000 because it deals primarily with the Jews. Seeing that it uses Jewish symbols and parlance.
The 144,000 have nothing to do with the present religious JW. The book of Revelation is divided into 3 parts. Chapter 1 is of the past, chapters 2-3 is of the present - the 7 churches and chapter 4-22 is of the future.
The 144,0000 is about the future dealings of God with Israel to which didnt exist during Rutherfords time because it is an event which will took place in the future.
There is such misunderstanding to this 144,000 because it deals primarily with the Jews. Seeing that it uses Jewish symbols and parlance.
The 144,000 have nothing to do with the present religious JW. The book of Revelation is divided into 3 parts. Chapter 1 is of the past, chapters 2-3 is of the present - the 7 churches and chapter 4-22 is of the future.
The JW's also believe that Jesus is Michael the archangel and that he is not God. They are just another counterfeit church, like Mormonism, Roman Catholicism, Scientology, Universalism, etc.
The 144,000 is exactly who scriptures says they are, 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes listed, equaling 144,000. They are the first fruits to God who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah. They will be sealed during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period and will be caught up to God in the middle of the seven years out of the dragons reach.
The 144,000 is exactly who scriptures says they are, 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes listed, equaling 144,000. They are the first fruits to God who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah. They will be sealed during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period and will be caught up to God in the middle of the seven years out of the dragons reach.
No, the whole bride of Christ, the church is going to heaven.
Without parables Christ the word of God spoke not. The metaphor 144,000 represents a "number no man could count". It speaks of the chaste virgin bride of Christ made up of all nations, as saints, sanctified by the word of God .
They are all clothed with the righteousness of Christ typified as white robes, Jew and gentile alike. God puts no difference between them purifying the hearts of His chaste virgin, bride the church, by a work of His faith..
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
She is seen clothed with the righteousness of Christ .She travailed as in birth pains until Christ was formed in those she held out the gospel to.
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman "clothed with the sun", and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Rev 12:1
The bride of Christ is typified as a city of Christ the new heavenly Jerusalem not of this world.She is the mother of us all .
Paul is shown as a segregated mother who bring the gospel, the incorruptible seed (Christ) by which all believers are given a new birth..
Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Paul as a segregate mother is shown according to the goal of His faith that she in reference to Timothy might be espoused to Christ our husband , a one of the 1444,000 chaste virgins.
It has nothing to do with men not having a sexual relations with a woman.
2Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a “chaste virgin” to Christ.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Without parables Christ the word of God spoke not. The metaphor 144,000 represents a "number no man could count". It speaks of the chaste virgin bride of Christ made up of all nations, as saints, sanctified by the word of God .
They are all clothed with the righteousness of Christ typified as white robes, Jew and gentile alike. God puts no difference between them purifying the hearts of His chaste virgin, bride the church, by a work of His faith..
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
She is seen clothed with the righteousness of Christ .She travailed as in birth pains until Christ was formed in those she held out the gospel to.
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman "clothed with the sun", and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Rev 12:1
The bride of Christ is typified as a city of Christ the new heavenly Jerusalem not of this world.She is the mother of us all .
Paul is shown as a segregated mother who bring the gospel, the incorruptible seed (Christ) by which all believers are given a new birth..
Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Paul as a segregate mother is shown according to the goal of His faith that she in reference to Timothy might be espoused to Christ our husband , a one of the 1444,000 chaste virgins.
It has nothing to do with men not having a sexual relations with a woman.
2Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a “chaste virgin” to Christ.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
"Number no man can count"
Yeah...about that...
https://recordsetter.com/world-record/highest-number-counted-to/13623
Yeah...about that...
https://recordsetter.com/world-record/highest-number-counted-to/13623
Why does he use any number as a word metaphor in parables other than to hide the spiritual understanding from those who know him not.? It make spiritual sense. Why do you think he calls it a number no man could count of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongue?
Remember all Israel are not reckoned as Israel as inward born again Jews ,just like the new name he named us. Not all Christians, as residents of the City of Christ, the new Jerusalem, as the bride of Christ, are Christians.
What happened to David when the Holy Spirit moved Satan to entice David to count ? He does not give exact number or men will rush in to fill it as away of boasting, trusting in the flesh , in false pride .
Like the Jehovah witness who have run out of 144,000 years ago..
Remember all Israel are not reckoned as Israel as inward born again Jews ,just like the new name he named us. Not all Christians, as residents of the City of Christ, the new Jerusalem, as the bride of Christ, are Christians.
What happened to David when the Holy Spirit moved Satan to entice David to count ? He does not give exact number or men will rush in to fill it as away of boasting, trusting in the flesh , in false pride .
Like the Jehovah witness who have run out of 144,000 years ago..
I wish that people would stop misusing the scripture above. The scripture states that Christ only spoke parables was to that generation of Israel and that because of the prophecy in Isaiah. But regarding the disciples and all believers Jesus said, but the knowledge of the kingdom has been given to you (believers).
"The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables:“Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart
has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with
their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’
But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous
people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
So you see garee, we are blessed because we have the true meaning of God's word and not parables that we can't understand. It was only to that generation of Israel that Jesus spoke parables to. But we have the word of God and even have the explanations of the parables.
Your inference of the 144,000 is subjective, conjecture on your part. Regarding the first group John says, "I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel." And then to solidify that the number is to be taken literally, they are then broken down and listed 12,000 for each tribe.
The next group is said to be a number which no man can count from every nation, tribe, people and language, which would make them all Gentiles. So you have an identified number of 144,000 and another group that no man can count, which demonstrates that these should be taken literally and not metaphorically. Not to mention that the number of 144,000 remains consistent in Rev.14 as well.
The woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars, is Israel. The male child that the woman/Israel gives birth to are the 144,000, the first fruits to God who come out of (gives birth to) Israel.
Paul said the above, because there were those in Galatia who were trying to revert those in the church back to Judaism i.e. attempting to bring them back under the law given to Moses. You are simply misapplying the scripture.
Once again, Jesus spoke parables only to that generation of Israel, not to the church. Regarding "to hide the spiritual understanding from those who don't know him" the word of God is written for believers. Jesus is not hiding the information in Revelation from those who believe in him. In fact, scripture says the opposite:
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ."
The book of Revelation is meant for us to understand, not to hide the meaning behind metaphor's and parables.
The 144,000 are 144,000 out of Israel and the great number which no man can count is from every nation, tribe, people and language, which would make them Gentiles. There is no need to spiritualize these things.
For me, that thinking is a reach. Yes, there are 144,000 specified as very special, and of course we all vie to be counted among them, but alvation is for those who have drifted away from God......others do not rquire it, not those who remain with im.
The 144,000 follow the Lamb where ever He Goes..........this is wonderful, however anyone who understands this implicitely from God is free to explain it to me.
I believe Jesus Christ. I have fantasized in being made one of the Two Witnesses and one of the 144,000, but guess what, it is just a fantasy, in adoration of God. I do not fool myself, I am a sinner just as are all in the flesh, but I can dream.
My only goal is to remain faithful to Jesus Christ and be taken up come His return to be with Him and all members of His Body forever...I suppose this means you too. God bless you.......
The 144,000 follow the Lamb where ever He Goes..........this is wonderful, however anyone who understands this implicitely from God is free to explain it to me.
I believe Jesus Christ. I have fantasized in being made one of the Two Witnesses and one of the 144,000, but guess what, it is just a fantasy, in adoration of God. I do not fool myself, I am a sinner just as are all in the flesh, but I can dream.
My only goal is to remain faithful to Jesus Christ and be taken up come His return to be with Him and all members of His Body forever...I suppose this means you too. God bless you.......
I would offer He obviously gives us the understanding or we would not call it a parable. Many times He would give the disciples a parable and hide the understanding. Then because they did not understand they played "who is the greatest," believing Jesus must not be the right one. He informed them that they knew not what manner of spirit they were of,over and over
He gives the privilege and responsibility to search out the meaning or spiritual understanding to a kingdom of Priest (Christians.) He shows that in the parable below.
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter
So, yes in a parables that he does give us His spiritual understanding hid from the lost.. What applies to the Jewish sinner, applies to the gentile sinner. Our Potter who forms the clay puts no difference between the two lumps of clay, as if he was a respecter of persons.( One bride, one church.)
I have heard that before, that Gods speaks a vacuum and not the multitude (everyone)
2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
What are the spiritual meaning of the parables (paraphrased by the word) figure below.
Strongs lexicon..850 parabole {par-ab-ol-ay'}
from 3846; TDNT - 5:744,773; n f
AV - parable 46, figure 2, comparison 1, proverb 1; 50
1) a placing of one thing by the side of another, juxtaposition, as of ships in battle 2) metaph. 2a) a comparing, comparison of one thing with another, likeness, similitude 2b) an example by which a doctrine or precept is illustrated 2c) a narrative, fictitious but agreeable to the laws and usages of human life, by which either the duties of men or the things of God, particularly the nature and history of God's kingdom are figuratively portrayed 2d) a parable: an earthly story with a heavenly meaning 3) a pithy and instructive saying, involving some likeness or comparison and having preceptive or admonitory force 3a) an aphorism, a maxim 4) a proverb 5) an act by which one exposes himself or his possessions to danger, a venture, a risk
Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:9
The spiritual understanding is?
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure(parable). Heb 11:17
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
144,000 + 144,000 =288,000 .Are their two brides, two gospels .
He uses tribes and gates as metaphors to equal the one bride of Christ (Revelation 21)
He gives the privilege and responsibility to search out the meaning or spiritual understanding to a kingdom of Priest (Christians.) He shows that in the parable below.
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter
So, yes in a parables that he does give us His spiritual understanding hid from the lost.. What applies to the Jewish sinner, applies to the gentile sinner. Our Potter who forms the clay puts no difference between the two lumps of clay, as if he was a respecter of persons.( One bride, one church.)
I have heard that before, that Gods speaks a vacuum and not the multitude (everyone)
2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
What are the spiritual meaning of the parables (paraphrased by the word) figure below.
Strongs lexicon..850 parabole {par-ab-ol-ay'}
from 3846; TDNT - 5:744,773; n f
AV - parable 46, figure 2, comparison 1, proverb 1; 50
1) a placing of one thing by the side of another, juxtaposition, as of ships in battle 2) metaph. 2a) a comparing, comparison of one thing with another, likeness, similitude 2b) an example by which a doctrine or precept is illustrated 2c) a narrative, fictitious but agreeable to the laws and usages of human life, by which either the duties of men or the things of God, particularly the nature and history of God's kingdom are figuratively portrayed 2d) a parable: an earthly story with a heavenly meaning 3) a pithy and instructive saying, involving some likeness or comparison and having preceptive or admonitory force 3a) an aphorism, a maxim 4) a proverb 5) an act by which one exposes himself or his possessions to danger, a venture, a risk
Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:9
The spiritual understanding is?
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure(parable). Heb 11:17
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
144,000 + 144,000 =288,000 .Are their two brides, two gospels .
He uses tribes and gates as metaphors to equal the one bride of Christ (Revelation 21)
You're missing the point! It is not a parable for us to understand, but the information is literal. Scripture states 144,000 and we can take it at its literal meaning. Scripture states that there is another group which no man can count, that is what is meant. There is no reason nor anything in the context that would lead the reader to look for a symbolic, metaphoric or parabolic interpretation. You are forcing those interpretations upon scripture that is meant to be taken literally. And by doing so, you distort the truth.