Is it Possible to be a Believer and a Heretic at the Same Time?
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We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus' propitiatory sacrifice upon the cross, for
He took the penalty of sin upon Himself that we may be raised to life ever after through
His glorified resurrected body, passing from death into life through Him, for He holds
the keys to life and death. We are to work out our salvation with fear. Are you fearful
of believing heresies? Cast all your cares on Him, for His perfect love casts out fear.
He took the penalty of sin upon Himself that we may be raised to life ever after through
His glorified resurrected body, passing from death into life through Him, for He holds
the keys to life and death. We are to work out our salvation with fear. Are you fearful
of believing heresies? Cast all your cares on Him, for His perfect love casts out fear.
Very good counsel, Magenta-- Beautiful picture sistahh, ! I saw one at a church of the LORD in the boat with the disciples in the storm. I will try and find it and share it--
happened to see this post on side; The whole issue is what does heretic mean? Who is defining "heretic" for this post? Heretic means different things depending on the authority defining it.
Martin Luther was considered a "heretic," for standing up the Catholic Church regarding issues that were CLEARLY in need of being clarified. The Church still even today, may not completely admit that monk Martin Luther was correct in that the message of Grace had almost disappeared from the Church. Even today, the Catholic church finds it hard to admit that the Church could have "missed the target," on anything, especially something so absolutely vital--like the heartbeat of the Church! These walls of Jericho (strongholds of infallibility) are going to fall, for all churches, even within us as individual christians who only "pretend" to submit to God, but, many of us are still obsessed with building our own kingdom, and not serving Christ as servants. The Protestants have built walls of Jericho also by implying that if there is no confirmation of change in a converts life, or if the new Christian, (or seasoned Christian), can persist in sin and not threaten their soul.
So-- you know the story: Catholics consider Protestants to be "heretics" and Protestants consider Catholics to be "heretics." Paul said "heretics," are those who serve God only with selfish ambitions, or serve God with no love in our hearts. Jesus said that heretics in the end, would be those whose Christians witness was blasphemy-- lying to God in our hearts by not really believing, or relying on our own power to believe or own covenants and rules, or lying to God in our lives, by not truly living the Gospel even though we know what we need to be doing to save the world, and being told in the end, "I NEVER KNEW YOU."
John said that heretics were those who had no love in their hearts and only used religion to put others down, or persecute them or judge them, or promote ourselves or our church, etc... he even seems to imply that those who proclaim themselves "saved," and are only "Christians in name only," as Martin Luther said, and don't really know Jesus or His love in their hearts or lives, are worse off than those who do not "officially" know the LORD, yet are overflowing with love and kindness to others.
But, as a daughter of Alaska sang once here (Jewell): "In the end, only kindness matters," is still not enough--
In the end, only kindness matters--and knowing Jesus who made true kindness and God's love possible and real in this world, as the only true source of God's love in this world.
happened to see this post on side; The whole issue is what does heretic mean? Who is defining "heretic" for this post? Heretic means different things depending on the authority defining it.
Martin Luther was considered a "heretic," for standing up the Catholic Church regarding issues that were CLEARLY in need of being clarified. The Church still even today, may not completely admit that monk Martin Luther was correct in that the message of Grace had almost disappeared from the Church. Even today, the Catholic church finds it hard to admit that the Church could have "missed the target," on anything, especially something so absolutely vital--like the heartbeat of the Church! These walls of Jericho (strongholds of infallibility) are going to fall, for all churches, even within us as individual christians who only "pretend" to submit to God, but, many of us are still obsessed with building our own kingdom, and not serving Christ as servants. The Protestants have built walls of Jericho also by implying that if there is no confirmation of change in a converts life, or if the new Christian, (or seasoned Christian), can persist in sin and not threaten their soul.
So-- you know the story: Catholics consider Protestants to be "heretics" and Protestants consider Catholics to be "heretics." Paul said "heretics," are those who serve God only with selfish ambitions, or serve God with no love in our hearts. Jesus said that heretics in the end, would be those whose Christians witness was blasphemy-- lying to God in our hearts by not really believing, or relying on our own power to believe or own covenants and rules, or lying to God in our lives, by not truly living the Gospel even though we know what we need to be doing to save the world, and being told in the end, "I NEVER KNEW YOU."
John said that heretics were those who had no love in their hearts and only used religion to put others down, or persecute them or judge them, or promote ourselves or our church, etc... he even seems to imply that those who proclaim themselves "saved," and are only "Christians in name only," as Martin Luther said, and don't really know Jesus or His love in their hearts or lives, are worse off than those who do not "officially" know the LORD, yet are overflowing with love and kindness to others.
But, as a daughter of Alaska sang once here (Jewell): "In the end, only kindness matters," is still not enough--
In the end, only kindness matters--and knowing Jesus who made true kindness and God's love possible and real in this world, as the only true source of God's love in this world.
NO. the simple answer, Christians can not be a believer and a heretic at the same time in the eyes of God. We are either with Jesus--for real--forever, come life or death, or not-- check yes, or no.
But, YES, and NO-- Yes, it's possible to be a believer and unknowingly be a heretic; Yes, it's possible to be a believer and falsely accused of being a heretic; Yes, it's possible to be a believer in Jesus, and called a heretic by those who are abusing their authority or understanding in such a way that their definition of "heretic," does not equal God's definition of "heretic;"
But, YES, and NO-- Yes, it's possible to be a believer and unknowingly be a heretic; Yes, it's possible to be a believer and falsely accused of being a heretic; Yes, it's possible to be a believer in Jesus, and called a heretic by those who are abusing their authority or understanding in such a way that their definition of "heretic," does not equal God's definition of "heretic;"
Possible, Yes.
Mark 3:28-29 (RSV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] "Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
[SUP]29 [/SUP] but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin" --
The Holy Spirit's primary function is to take the Truths about our Creator, Jesus Christ, that we become aware of, and plant
plants them in our heart, hopefully in fertile soil. To reject those truths about Jesus Christ, is blaspheming the work of the Holy Spirit, in one's heart, which is the ONLY unforgivable sin.
Probable, NO!
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
2 Timothy 3:5-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
I have really wondered myself on this one. There are people who I am convinced are Christians(only God really knows) who teach much of the truth, yet in some points teach a total heresy. For sure teaching that heresy had to be a sin, and a sin not repented of because they do not see it as anything wrong. I know this isn't about the rapture, but probably 95% of bible teachers teach a heretical return of Christ...that is an absolute fact, if Christians who die with heresy to their account do not make it then most of the church of today is done for.
So is it pretrib, midtrib, or posttrib that you are insinuating is heresy?
As far your opinion sin not repented of, how much of you sin was not repented of when the price was PAID IN FULL?
Romans 5:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Obedience, including repenting, is NOT WHAT WE DO TO GET SAVED. SALVATION IS BY GRACE ALONE, and the Obedience is what we WILL DO, if our SALVATION was for REAL.
John 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
And we cannot even claim credit for having LOVE for HIM, because that was POURED into our hearts by the Holy Spirit AFTER we SAVED.
Romans 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
As far your opinion sin not repented of, how much of you sin was not repented of when the price was PAID IN FULL?
Romans 5:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Obedience, including repenting, is NOT WHAT WE DO TO GET SAVED. SALVATION IS BY GRACE ALONE, and the Obedience is what we WILL DO, if our SALVATION was for REAL.
John 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
And we cannot even claim credit for having LOVE for HIM, because that was POURED into our hearts by the Holy Spirit AFTER we SAVED.
Romans 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Isn't heresy any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established religious beliefs or customs.
A heretic is a proponent of such claims or beliefs. Heresy is defined differently than apostasy and blasphemy;
Wikipedia
A heretic is a proponent of such claims or beliefs. Heresy is defined differently than apostasy and blasphemy;
- apostasy is the explicit renunciation of one's religion, principles or cause,[SUP][/SUP] and
- blasphemy which is an impious utterance or action concerning God or sacred things.
Wikipedia
The bible says If any man be In CHRIST he Is a new creation old things have passed away and all things have become new for we are HIS workmanship created In CHRIST JESUS unto good works which were before ordained that we should walk In them.
Grace does not teach a person to want to sin.
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Titus 2:11-12
King James Version(KJV)
11.)For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12.)Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Grace does not teach a person to want to sin.
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Titus 2:11-12
King James Version(KJV)
11.)For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12.)Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
