IMMORTALITY IN THE WILDERNESS. THE AIM FOR JESUS TEMPTATION

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Sac49

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John 14:7 Jesus told His disciples without mincing words that from now on, you have known the Father and have seen Him. He was surprised when Philip doubted Him.

He knew there human imagination can not carry that truth so He promised to send them a comforter, the HolySpirit ( the Mind of God) who will teach them all things. See rhis, Jesus the knowledge and power of God. can tour knowledge and power be separate from you. All the apostle never preached it
Ok lets try this on for size. When Jesus is baptized we see the Father, Son and Holy Spirit together each doing their part as one but seperate. God speaks, the Holy Spirit descends and Jesus is baptized. How do explain this with your idea of God?
 
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God created Adam with two minds, the mind of his Soul and rhat of the Spirit of God who is in him to advice him to do good. Unfortunately the flesh after the disobedience was activated also to life, having a mind of evil. ROMANS 8:5-7

These three minds were working actively with Adam after he ate that forbidden fruit. God also creating us like Himself also has three minds. This is the reason He said; LET US.

If Adam still remained one Adam having three minds and you believe you are one not three, I also see no genuine reason to believe in the Trinity doctrine.
 
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Find answers to all this questions.
1) Why was Jesus being God tempted?
2) Why is He liable to die if He inherited no sinful flesh from His mother Mary?
3) why is He called the second Adam
4) what did ISAIAH mean in ISAIAH 7: 14-15
5) Why was He lead to be tempted immediately after God affirmed Him as His begotten son.
Maybe looking at it, as A account though not a chronological orderly account, not all think it's in prefect order..


Lk4:28 All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this.
Lk4:29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him down the cliff.
Lk4:30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.
Mk1:12 At once the Spirit sent him out into the desert,
Mt4:2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
Mt4:3 The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
Mt4:4 Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'

After that later on.......

Lk12:51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
Lk12:49 "I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
Lk12:50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed!
Lk12:52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three.
Lk12:53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

Few things then.........

Mt3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.
 
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Maybe looking at it, as A account though not a chronological orderly account, not all think it's in prefect order..


Lk4:28 All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this.
Lk4:29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him down the cliff.
Lk4:30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.
Mk1:12 At once the Spirit sent him out into the desert,
Mt4:2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
Mt4:3 The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
Mt4:4 Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'

After that later on.......

Lk12:51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
Lk12:49 "I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
Lk12:50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed!
Lk12:52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three.
Lk12:53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

Few things then.........

Mt3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.
Spiritual things needs spiritual interpretation. we re often confused when it is God because our beliefs are little.
 

miknik5

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I knew there would be some who would disagree it's quite ok..

So tell me in your opinion what happened when the spirit descended on Jesus at the baptism??
Please read Jesus "baptism" again
 

miknik5

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God created Adam with two minds, the mind of his Soul and rhat of the Spirit of God who is in him to advice him to do good. Unfortunately the flesh after the disobedience was activated also to life, having a mind of evil. ROMANS 8:5-7

These three minds were working actively with Adam after he ate that forbidden fruit. God also creating us like Himself also has three minds. This is the reason He said; LET US.

If Adam still remained one Adam having three minds and you believe you are one not three, I also see no genuine reason to believe in the Trinity doctrine.
If that were true, there would have been no need for God to promise through the prophet Jeremiah and Ezekiel a New Covenant And with that New Covenant a new heart and a new spirit

Nor would there be a need for one to be born again

And certainly CHRIST would not have to breathe into HIS DISCIPLES saying RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT, if in Adam, we already had the ability to know the fullness of GOD and HIS WAY


We didn't
and we couldn't

unltul CHRIST quickened us by HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT
 

miknik5

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Spiritual things needs spiritual interpretation. we re often confused when it is God because our beliefs are little.
Who leads us to SPIRITUAL TRUTHS but THE SPIRIT of TRUTH

CHRIST said if I speak earthly and you can not understand. How can you understand when HE speaks heavenly things?

One can't unless they are born again

HE said MY WORDs are SPIRIT and they are life

And as it is written as per 1 Corinthians 1-3, no one can know the things of GOD that can only be known by HIS SPIRIT
It is THE SPIRIT in the believer (THAT WITNESS) who seeks the hidden things of GOD. And it is THE SPIRIT in the believer who reveals the hidden things of GOD
 

miknik5

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Ok lets try this on for size. When Jesus is baptized we see the Father, Son and Holy Spirit together each doing their part as one but seperate. God speaks, the Holy Spirit descends and Jesus is baptized. How do explain this with your idea of God?
Jesus wasn't baptized by the HOLY SPIRIT when John water baptized HIM
If JESUS had not been made visible to John until after John water baptized HIM, John wouldn't have deterred from baptizing HIM

John saw THE SPIRIT already which is why he said, you cone to me to be baptized? But I should come to you

the angel Gabriel's account of "this HOLY thing to be born" is a correct account

HE was HOLY from the moment HE came forth from THE FATHER and into the world
 

miknik5

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CHRIST came into the world. Not only to show us THE FATHER, but to model for the sons of GOD the exact relationship a son of GOD is supposed to have with THE FATHER

We wil be tempted
but CHRIST has accomplished EVERYTHING for us!


so if Satan tempts us, trust and wait on THE LORD and do not move for all these temptations and trials will come in this imperfect world (in this world you will have trouble but take heart for I have overcome the world) but HIS GRACE is all the more sufficient!

and after we have been tried a little, we shall be purified and pruned and disciplined and laundered sob that our faith (more precious than gold though tried in the fire) will prove genuine

resting in and on HIM in all seasons

in seasons of sun
as well as in seasons of rain
 

miknik5

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It's very easy to have faith in THE SON of GOD in seasons of sunshine
another thing completely when we enter into seasons of "Job"
 

miknik5

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Christ entered into all our sufferings for us so that HE might be for us THE ONE AND ONLY SOURCE of THIS GREAT SALVATION which is in HIM

Provided we REMAIN in HIM

It was necessary that THE AUTHOR and PERFECTER of our faith should be made PERFECT in suffering
HE came in our likeness (the flesh) because the children are of flesh and HE learned obedience by what HE suffered (not because HE wasn't obedient, but because HE had to walk in our humanity, HE had to suffer all things for us) so that HE might become for us a faithful and eternal HIGH PRIEST ministering to those who suffer that they may not lose faith but will wait by HOPE in HIM
 

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Im sorry for flooding this thread

But if one has the wrong perception of CHRIST, they will have the wrong understanding that
 
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Im sorry for flooding this thread

But if one has the wrong perception of CHRIST, they will have the wrong understanding that
Read the Bible and proof those points. It's only the Spirit of God that can explain better
 

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At the baptism of Jesus, He received the anointing for ministry. IMO.

The pattern for His body.
 
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Jesus never earned Immortality... Jesus was immortal and remains so.. Jesus being God manifested in the flesh could never fail and He did not fail..

And Jesus did not have any Sin nature flesh.. Jesus body came into being by the power of the Holy Spirit.. Jesus never had a human dad and did not inherit the curse of the sin nature that all other decadents of Adam has inherited..
He inherited his corrupted flesh typified as sinful from His mother the one (same kind)she received from Adam and Eve as the seeds of men. How do we know? Chrsit lived in a body of death that aged (birth to 33 years)in a process of decay, leading to sure destruction and returning to the dust from where it was formed of.

Corruption does not inherit the incorruptible .That why it is called a new and not a rebuilt or reconditioned spirit that will never die but will be raised on the last day, the rapture or second and final resurrection..
 
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He inherited his corrupted flesh typified as sinful from His mother the one (same kind)she received from Adam and Eve as the seeds of men. How do we know? Chrsit lived in a body of death that aged (birth to 33 years)in a process of decay, leading to sure destruction and returning to the dust from where it was formed of.

Corruption does not inherit the incorruptible .That why it is called a new and not a rebuilt or reconditioned spirit that will never die but will be raised on the last day, the rapture or second and final resurrection..
nice one. I love it