The Sign Of Jonah

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[FONT=&quot]Matthew 12:40[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.[/FONT]
 

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The sign of Jonah was that Jesus would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. From Friday afternoon to Sunday morning is not three days and nights. If you argue the Jews count any part of a day as a whole day, you can try to get around it -- but there is no way you can get three nights out of Jesus being put in the tomb on Friday afternoon.
 

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Matthew 12:40
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Yes, he says "in heart of the earth." It is very significant that he does not use the word for tomb or grave. Since no account has him in the grave for three days and three nights this brings us to the question of what then did he mean in his the use of "in the heart of the earth?"
 
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Originally Posted by Spurgeoncy

There are two schools of though about Jesus' death.

One is that the Passover mentioned is an annual Passover, so that he was crucified on a Wednesday, and hence spent three days in the tomb.

The other is that he was crucified on a Friday.

Which is correct? In which year was Our Lord actually put to death?
He is the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.(first six days) Not according to the outward demonstration of that work not seen, thousands of years later. . His flesh profited nothing.

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights "in the whale's belly"; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".

Jonas was alive. God cannot die.

Three schools when the "heart of the earth" is defined. Belly of the whale defines heart of the earth

Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.Jon 2:1

By reason of affliction the Son of man cried out ..father take this cup from me... but no as I will but as you do. He worked sent angels to comfort him encouraging so he could finish the work. Then of his own volition gave up the Spirit that cannot die. No man did the work of taking His life. He performed it alone. The Father and I are one.
 
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It is as simple as this. Mark shows us that Jesus was buried on the evening just before the Sabbath. He spent the following day which was the Sabbath in the tomb and on the day after the Sabbath which was the first day of the week - Sunday, the women come to anoint the body but he is already gone. Why is the next day after this Sabbath called the first day of the week if this Sabbath was not the weekly Sabbath? I do not care how one may wish to manipulate the days or attempt to separate the Sabbath from the high Sabbath, there is simply no way one can get 72 hours in to Mark's account of Jesus death. No matter which gospel account one appeals to, there is no account that has Jesus in the grave for three days and three nights.
No doubt, I agree, if the crucifix was at 3pm on Friday, the first watch of the night on that Friday started at 6pm and ended on the forth watch 6am Saturday morning. Day two Saturday 6:01am then came the second night 6pm to 6am four watches.. Third day Sunday morning at 6:01am.. Jesus rose from the grave on Sunday morning the first day of the week.. Haven't even got to the third night at 6pm Sunday evening.. I can't see where there is room for a third night in that... The risen from the grave would need to be moved to after 6pm Sunday evening to include a third night..
 

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Friday to Sunday is not 3 days couynted by the Creator's calendar...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Berĕshith/Genesis 1:5, " And Ylohim called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 12:18, "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month in the evening."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 23:32, "It is a Sabbath of rest to you, and you shall afflict your beings. On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath.” [/FONT]

Here it is:

 

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Lamentations 2:17
The Lord hath done that which he had devised; he hath fulfilled his word that he had
commanded in the days of old: he hath thrown down, and hath not pitied: and he hath
caused thine enemy to rejoice over thee, he hath set up the horn of thine adversaries.
 
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The Pharisees understood it to mean a literal 3 days and nights in the tomb, which is why they posted guards at the the tomb.

But Jesus rose after 24 hours...
 

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The Pharisees understood it to mean a literal 3 days and nights in the tomb, which is why they posted guards at the the tomb.

But Jesus rose after 24 hours...
So, what do you suppose Jesus meant by "in the heart of the earth?"
 
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The first Adam is earthy, of the earth.

Man is made of the dust of the earth.

What do you understand OH?
 
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decree issued
About the decree, it was 49 years. There were four decrees...

Cyrus issued a decree in 538BC (II Chron 36:22-23 and Ezra 1:1-4)

Darius issued a decree in 520BC (Ezra 6:1, 6-12)

Artaxerxes Longimanus in 457BC (Ezra 7:12-26)

Artaxerxes Longimanus in 444BC (Neh 2:1-8)

Four decrees, which one is the one to count from?

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment
to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,
and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall,
even in troublous times.

There will be 7 weeks plus 62 weeks = 69 weeks. That is 483 years (Num 14:34 and Ezek 4:6).

So let's add 483 years to each decree and see what works out...


1st decree: 538BC + 483 years = 55BC. This doesn't work because Christ would
not be born for another 51 years.

2nd decree: 520BC + 483 years = 37BC. Again, no good, Christ's birth
is still 33 years in the future.

3rd decree: 457BC + 483 years = 27AD. Christ's formal, 3-1/2 year ministry
began in 27AD culminating in His crucifixion in 31AD. We have a winner.

4th decree: 444BC + 483 years = 40AD. Christ's death, burial and resurrection was
9 years in the past and the destruction of the Temple was ~30 years in the future. No dice.

So, the decree in 457BC brings us to 27AD for the beginning of the ministry of Christ,
the first 3-1/2 years exactly as the prophecy in Dan 9 predicts.

There will be 7 weeks plus 62 weeks = 69 weeks.
That is 483 years (Num 14:34 and Ezek 4:6).

Artaxerxes Longimanus in 457BC (Ezra 7:12-26)
in 457BC brings us to 27AD for the beginning of the ministry of Christ,
the first 3-1/2 years exactly as the prophecy in Dan 9 predicts.

decree: 457BC + 483 years = 27AD.

Christ's formal, 3-1/2 year ministry began in 27AD culminating in His crucifixion in 31AD.
Good question, some consensus seem to think Herod died around 4 BC others 2 or 1BC, placing the birth around 6BC or 4 or even at 3BC not a easy thing to calculate..
 

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The first Adam is earthy, of the earth.

Man is made of the dust of the earth.
While this is true, it has nothing to do with Jesus' use of the language. Read in each account that records Jesus description of his arrest and death and think about what he is saying.
 
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It is obvious that the bible does not always fill in gaps. The way the story is told it appears that Jesus died on Friday and was resurrected on Sunday morning. The bible also says that Jesus would be in the heart of the earth for three days, I think one place it even says three days and three nights. Anyway, it is hard to get three days out of Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. If we suppose that Jesus died at 6pm Friday and rose at 6am on Sunday then we only have one and one half days, exactly half the hours needed to make three days. Now some folks count Friday as a day and Saturday as a day and Sunday as a day, three days. Here is something to think about, all the folks in Jesus time seem to agree that He was dead for three days, that would not seem likely if he was only dead a day and a half(Friday evening to Sunday morning).
 

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You will have to explain...
Please do not be impatient with me. I could give you the answer easily enough but it is the answers we discover for ourselves that really stick with us. Read these two text and think about what Jesus is saying.

Jesus in Matthew 12:40,“For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”
Mark 8:31And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again
 
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It is obvious that the bible does not always fill in gaps. The way the story is told it appears that Jesus died on Friday and was resurrected on Sunday morning. The bible also says that Jesus would be in the heart of the earth for three days, I think one place it even says three days and three nights. Anyway, it is hard to get three days out of Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. If we suppose that Jesus died at 6pm Friday and rose at 6am on Sunday then we only have one and one half days, exactly half the hours needed to make three days. Now some folks count Friday as a day and Saturday as a day and Sunday as a day, three days. Here is something to think about, all the folks in Jesus time seem to agree that He was dead for three days, that would not seem likely if he was only dead a day and a half(Friday evening to Sunday morning).
Well it's interesting that no hourly account was given, so theorizing a three days and two nights is possible.. Friday,Saturday,Sunday. Two nights between

IMO the added third night could have been when his disciples saw him later that evening and after 6pm would mean a third night. Thus could explain the third night at that time the disciples believed he had risen thus written scripture of three days and three nights from their prospective and experience.. Jesus appeared first to two disciples of Emmaus who that evening visited Jesus disciples and told them of the sighting..but until they laid eyes on him it could have been hear say to them...
 
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Ah, you mean Jerusalem is the heart of the Earth?