But he loves you!

[MultilingualMessenger]

paradox let me ask you this lets say your question is true and that love would not send people to hell. Now let me ask you this are you a parent of a child? Or do you at least know how parenting works? If one child acts up all the time and odes whatever they want while another acts good and listens to their mom and dad yet they both receive the same reward what you have then is a child that lives as he pleases with no consequences while another being an obedient and kind hearted child shares the same fate as the other.

Hell is not simply a place God tosses people who refuse him, I mean if say rapists and murderers did as they pleased with no regard to their own actions or the lives they destroyed yet in the end there is no consequences for the way they lived their lives then where is the justice? You see a good parent allows their children the room to make their own mistakes because if you cage and force your child to do what you want you then that child will never have learned anything they are like a caged bird who never had the freedom to learn to fly on their own two wings.

God knew this and so even though the thought of having to send his children to hell hurts him far more than you or I will ever begin to understand he gives us the freedom to spread our own wings and fly. However it is not his fault if a bird starts slamming other new flyers learning to fly with their own two wings and ends up making himself fall to the ground and breaking his wings due to his aggressive way of flying

I agree with you, but I would note that those who go to hell are not God's children. Believers are God's children. That's important.

 

[Magenta]

I agree with you, but I would note that those who go to hell are not God's children. Believers are God's children. That's important.

So true

 

[JesusLives]

Can true love allow anyone to suffer in hell?

True love died so you would never need to suffer in hell, the wages of sin is death not everlasting torture in hell although there will be a lake of fire at the end to do away with sin and death. Love is why Jesus died so you would not have to.

 

[Depleted]

Can love be true If It does not give a choice to choose or reject Its love?

Yes.

 

[Blain]

I agree with you, but I would note that those who go to hell are not God's children. Believers are God's children. That's important.

I have always held a different view about that and I am not saying I am right and others are wrong but I see all the people on earth and I see creations that God formed in womb with the utmost love and endearment taking great care in everything about them I see two different children I see saved children who have come to know him and I see lost children who are seeking things in life without even realizing they are really seeking him.

I see saved and protected sheep in the herd with the shepherd and I see lost unsaved and unprotected sheep wandering around in the valley.

 

[paradoxdown]

You continually put forth the idea that relying on God is a refusal to take personal responsibility, but the opposite is true, actually. Relying on God does not mean He cleans up after us as if there is nothing more for us to do. Where did you get such an idea? In relying on God, we accept His love for us, and that love in turn relieves us of having to worry about or fear for our future. It does not relieve us of the responsibility of taking steps to make amends for the wrongs we may have done in the past, or continue to make in the present.

Suffering as a result of rejecting God's love is to throw yourself on the mercy of others. Whom do you trust to place the whole of your life in their hands? Do you think anyone wants such a responsibility as that? Surely any who would be foolish enough to take on such an endeavor would fail.

Why, if you can't acquit yourself of anything.

 

[paradoxdown]

1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

God loves us but sin has corrupted us. God made a way to atone for our sin and restore us to Him. Gods holiness requires that His perfect judgment be satisfied. The blood of Christ makes the atonement and His love makes it efficacious for us.

Like the malefactor on the cross next to Christ you only seek to manipulate you do not seek mercy. You cannot make God do it your way. Lucifer tempted Christ with the word of God and failed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I accepted Jesus sacrifice along time ago, but now I've rejected it I can't re-accept it. Otherwise I'd be nailing Jesus up on the cross again.

 

[tourist]

I accepted Jesus sacrifice along time ago, but now I've rejected it I can't re-accept it. Otherwise I'd be nailing Jesus up on the cross again.

You didn't reject it but rather neglected it. Just tell Jesus your sorry and ask Him to guide you and walk with you.

 

[Adstar]

Can true love allow anyone to suffer in hell?

His True Love cannot cause God who has true Justice to compromise that true justice by corruptly overlooking transgressions of the one He loves... If God ever showed Himself to be corrupt in any of His attributes then He would not longer be justified to be God..

So God has gone out of His way to suffer death to pay for te transgressions of any human who believes Him and trusts in the Atonement He provided for FREE to justly pay the price for their trangressions..

A loving God dearly wishes to forgive all humans but he must do it in a Just mannor.. He can only do it in a just manor.. All it takes for sinning humans to be saved is to believe and trust in the Way God has made for them to be saved..

 

[paradoxdown]

True love died so you would never need to suffer in hell, the wages of sin is death not everlasting torture in hell although there will be a lake of fire at the end to do away with sin and death. Love is why Jesus died so you would not have to.

Ok lets break this down.

Jesus has to come to die for the sins of humankind, because of a bad choice two people made thousand's of years ago that nor you or I had any part in. Which condemned all humans to a place that God had to create to punish the very thing he's saving us from.

 

[Adstar]

I accepted Jesus sacrifice along time ago, but now I've rejected it I can't re-accept it. Otherwise I'd be nailing Jesus up on the cross again.

Maybe... But i wonder what would be moving you to come onto CC and engage in discussions and debates about God... If you where truly barred by God from His mercy i doubt you would have any motivation to spend your time actively engaging with Christians online like this.. Maybe Gods Holy Spirit is moving you, motivating you to seek Him anew ?

 

[BrokenSparrow]

I accepted Jesus sacrifice along time ago, but now I've rejected it I can't re-accept it. Otherwise I'd be nailing Jesus up on the cross again.

Like I said on the other thread...I've been there too.

He welcomed me back with loving arms and nobody got nailed to the cross again. He is right there in front of you with open arms. I think you know that deep down and can feel he is calling you.

 

[Adstar]

Ok lets break this down.

Jesus has to come to die for the sins of humankind, because of a bad choice two people made thousand's of years ago that nor you or I had any part in. Which condemned all humans to a place that God had to create to punish the very thing he's saving us from.

Yes.... Bad choices have consequences.. The consiquence of what those original humans did was to sabotarge their good natures and curse their decendants with the same sabotarged natures.. But God has made a Way to justly overcome and gift all human beings with forgivness and transformation back into the state of having a good nature again..

 

[ROSSELLA]

Yes, because true love doesn't force one to accept the love. In the case of God, He loves us but He won't force us to accept Him and His love. However, because all good things come from God, by rejecting Him and His love, people choose to be separated from all good things. It might not always be intentionally thought of; I know before I became a Christian, when I wanted to do something wrong, I didn't think "I don't want anything good. I don't want food, comfort, or love." I just thought about what I wanted then and there. But one can't have God and not have Him at the same time. If people accept Him, people get all of Him. If people reject Him, people reject all of Him, not just the parts of Him people wouldn't like to think about. Therefore, the consequence of rejecting God is Hell (a place without Him, and therefore without any good thing).

 

[paradoxdown]

You didn't reject it but rather neglected it. Just tell Jesus your sorry and ask Him to guide you and walk with you.

That easy huh, it sounds so contrite.

 

[paradoxdown]

Like I said on the other thread...I've been there too.

He welcomed me back with loving arms and nobody got nailed to the cross again. He is right there in front of you with open arms. I think you know that deep down and can feel he is calling you.

Stop saying that, if you really have been where I've been you'd know to put peoples feelings before religiosity.

 

[paradoxdown]

Yes.... Bad choices have consequences.. The consiquence of what those original humans did was to sabotarge their good natures and curse their decendants with the same sabotarged natures.. But God has made a Way to justly overcome and gift all human beings with forgivness and transformation back into the state of having a good nature again..

But Adam and Eve didn't know goodness prior to the fall.

 

[zone]

That easy huh, it sounds so contrite.

are ye a sinner?

 

[paradoxdown]

Yes, because true love doesn't force one to accept the love. In the case of God, He loves us but He won't force us to accept Him and His love. However, because all good things come from God, by rejecting Him and His love, people choose to be separated from all good things. It might not always be intentionally thought of; I know before I became a Christian, when I wanted to do something wrong, I didn't think "I don't want anything good. I don't want food, comfort, or love." I just thought about what I wanted then and there. But one can't have God and not have Him at the same time. If people accept Him, people get all of Him. If people reject Him, people reject all of Him, not just the parts of Him people wouldn't like to think about. Therefore, the consequence of rejecting God is Hell (a place without Him, and therefore without any good thing).

Once you believe that there is either a heaven or hell you can't freely choose hell, can you. So you'll force yourself to keep believing so you don't end up there.

 

[BrokenSparrow]

Stop saying that, if you really have been where I've been you'd know to put peoples feelings before religiosity.

??? You'll have to explain that last part to me.

I'm not saying I've been everywhere you've been, but if you ever want to talk about it... we can.