The Revelation 12 Sign/ NASA 2020 Project

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eternally-gratefull

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Angela: In order to understand God's word you have to have the Holy Spirit reveal it to you. If you don't understand that, then what was your education all about? Your own intellect?

God has revealed these things to babes. He uses the simple things if the world to confound the wise ( so called).

I have the Holy Spirit of Promise. Let me guess, your are a " Master of Divinity" ( God and His Word Jesus)!haha

Awatukee: I'll try to give you some leeway.

The youtube videos is a reference to an actual astronomical event taking place on Sept. 23,2017.

It is what it is!

But I value all reasonable comments and feed back. This should be a learning environment for everyone.
satan comes as an angel of light.

Do not think just because you hear something it is from God.

we have to many conspiracty theories today that claim they are spoken to or given revelation from God, so please.

God gave us his word to test each spirit. If your word does not line up with scripture. it is not from God. That is what education is for.
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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This thread stinks to all get-out of something that migrated (or oozed) over from the GLP lunatic fringe forums. Maybe the OP of this thread got tired of discussions of what body part smell like A1 steak sauce or calling his fellow men "cucks" and decided to start an account here to pitch his woo-woo ideas. That seems highly likely given what I've read from him, especially his responses - they are almost word-for-word the types of responses threads over there get when a poster accuses others of being a "shill".
 

Bladerunner

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If I understand your question right, NASA is planning on using the Orion Spacecraft for the moon, and the Red Dragon Spacecraft for Mars. That project could swallow the funding for the moon.

God's word is manifold with many layers of meaning. This is perhaps just one of them.

We'll see how all of this goes.

If they can get through the Van Allan Radiation Belts. They themselves will tell you , it has never been done before. So much for the MOON Landing(s).
 

posthuman

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If they can get through the Van Allan Radiation Belts. They themselves will tell you , it has never been done before. So much for the MOON Landing(s).
all the astronauts wore dosimeters, which registered less radiation than workers in nuclear plants routinely are exposed to. the Apollo mission trajectories purposefully took them on a path that avoided the highest risk zones and they traveled through these zones at a high velocity such that the protection afforded by the craft itself and their suits was more than adequate.

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but i'm talking to a guy who believes there is no such things as planets, right?
 
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Americans can do anything they set their minds to.
 
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PH- I happen to be pro-American, your talking about MY country. God has shed His grace on the United States. You may give up on it, but I dont, and God sure doesnt.

Your a hypocrite!

You don't even know the scriptures!!!

"Where sin abounds, grace does much more abound"

You better check that one out.

Your being way to overly religious and judgemental for my taste.

Your part of the problem.You are hoping America goes down.
 
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PH- I happen to be pro-American, your talking about MY country. God has shed His grace on the United States. You may give up on it, but I dont, and God sure doesnt.

Your a hypocrite!

You don't even know the scriptures!!!

"Where sin abounds, grace does much more abound"

You better check that one out.

Your being way to overly religious and judgemental for my taste.

Your part of the problem.You are hoping America goes down.
This is not the way a brother speaks to a brother, there are many sharp swords here so I would refrain the name calling...
 

Bladerunner

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all the astronauts wore dosimeters, which registered less radiation than workers in nuclear plants routinely are exposed to. the Apollo mission trajectories purposefully took them on a path that avoided the highest risk zones and they traveled through these zones at a high velocity such that the protection afforded by the craft itself and their suits was more than adequate.

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but i'm talking to a guy who believes there is no such things as planets, right?

I got some beach front property in Arizona that I need to talk to you about........Wake up
 

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I got some beach front property in Arizona that I need to talk to you about........Wake up
Don't believe him Posthuman Butcher Jones beach at saguaro lake Arizona is not for sale .
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posthuman

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I got some beach front property in Arizona that I need to talk to you about........Wake up
planets are visible in your sky tonight......... look up.

Van Allen wasn't always especially accurate in his calculations and predictions. in addressing the Apollo missions, he suggested that a nuclear weapon be detonated in space, thinking that it could "clear out" the radiation belts named after him to a degree that would make them safe to travel through.
in July of 1962, the USAF did just that ((google it: "starfish prime")), but instead of having the effect Van Allen had predicted, radiation levels in the belt increased drastically for several years, so that NASA became worried that a polar launch would be necessary, and many alarming discussions over the possibility of the Soviets "polluting space forever" took place.

here's something that maybe you should read, Bladerunner, though you may find it difficult:

http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/VABraddose.htm
 

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I have just posted on the subject of Revelation and understanding but I believe it is appropriate here also, so here it is:

In asking for understanding when reading Revelation it is wise to look for fulfillments of prophecy without attempting to interpret.

When prophecies are fulfilled or being fulfilled the children understand.
 

posthuman

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Can you? Just asking.....
nope. who can?

but Christ has accomplished this for us - for all people, anyone who believes Him. having been justified by faith does not mean i have accomplished it - it means that it was accomplished for me by His grace, and imputed to me when He caused me to be found in Him. He accomplished it when His blood was shed in place of mine, and when He rose. then He gave it to me.

some ppl think that makes me un-American lol
 
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I'm just saying, keep the faith, God has plan first America, He's not finished with us yet. We have a mission to fulfill. If God brought back the foolish people of Nineveh, He can bring back America too.

We are the ones the scripture speaks about in Romans 10:19-21

Speaking to Israel " ....I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a people, I will move you to anger by a foolish nation...."

God has called a people who are not His people, to be His People ( Gentiles). This is so that Israel, who is not a people may also in turn return to Him, after a great falling away.

There must be a great falling towards God(Awakening) before there is a falling away.
 
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Bladerunner

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planets are visible in your sky tonight......... look up.

Van Allen wasn't always especially accurate in his calculations and predictions. in addressing the Apollo missions, he suggested that a nuclear weapon be detonated in space, thinking that it could "clear out" the radiation belts named after him to a degree that would make them safe to travel through.
in July of 1962, the USAF did just that ((google it: "starfish prime")), but instead of having the effect Van Allen had predicted, radiation levels in the belt increased drastically for several years, so that NASA became worried that a polar launch would be necessary, and many alarming discussions over the possibility of the Soviets "polluting space forever" took place.

here's something that maybe you should read, Bladerunner, though you may find it difficult:

http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/VABraddose.htm
OH,,,, and yo have seen them yourself...not Nasa's pictures but you have seen them through telescopes that will let you see them as they are pictured.

As for the radiation, simply look at the video of a Nasa Engineer telling us that maybe we might get through the VanAllen Belt.

Another problem is the heat........ At 400+ miles the heat is over 6,0000 degrees.... How do we keep anything from melting. We do not have nothing that is thin enough to send up there. Use you head man instead of listening to man and their lies, Listen to God and the truth.
 
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Hello, I feel like I must warn you about revelation 12. I think revelation 12 has something to do with Genesis 1:14, 1 Thessalonians 5 and Levitucus 23. It is a sign. I guess we all know that, but a sign for what? I believe it is a sign for the birth of the body of the Messiah, the body of Christ or the church.

To begin to understand that you must look at the Life of Jesus Christ. At first when you read revelation 12 the first thing you think is, it is speaking about Jesus, a male son, who will rule the nations, who is now gone to God and His Thone, or do you not?

But it is not speaking of Jesus directely, well, it is and it is not, because the church is the body of Christ, the head and the body form one body. So while it speaks of the church it must also speak of Jesus because both form one.

Have you ever wondered why Jesus sent his disciples to Jerusalem to receive the Holy Spirit? And this on a feast day of Leviticus 23? The feast of trumpets.

Like Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit, so the church needed to be that as well. What I am saying is that on that day in Pentecost the Holy Spirit conceived the church, the gestation period of the church began, the body of Christ began to be formed right there on Pentecost. People say that the church was born that day, but it was not born that day, it was just conceived, it began to grow there, it is only going to be born with fullness of the gentiles, when the body is ready than it is born, do you understand?

Revelation 12 speaks of the future not the past. It is going to happen.

So the woman in revelation 12 is without doubt Israel who became pregnant with the church on Pentecost.

The Male Child is the body of Christ, wich is immediately raputured to God and His Throne when completed. Notice that the Scriptures say that Christ will rule the Nations with the Saints, with His body. Thats why the Male Child will rule over the Nations when it is born, the Head and the Body will finally come together.

The dragon is the present world system, the evil here on earth, I don´t know how to call it, all I know is it has an agenda to devour the Child (the church).

Once you know all of that a lot of things start to make sense. Thats why satan is still able to acuse people, he has not yet lost his place in heaven. The battle of revelation 12 has not happened yet. Thats why Job was accused. Thats what the devil does in heaven accuse people, but this will end after the rapture and the battle in heaven, followed by the battle of Zachariah 14.

It is truly amazing that the sign on the 23 September will happen on the Feast of Trumpets, while for us it will be the 23 September, on the Jewish calendar it will still be Tishrei 1 untill sunset. The feast of trumpets is a rapture event, read 1 Thessalonians 5:16-17.

I am not setting dates, God does what He wants, but look at those signs.

Like it is written in the book of Joel 2:31, the blood mons BEFORE the day of the lord, we saw the lunar tetrad and eclipses on the Levitucus 23 feast days in 2014/2015.

Like Jesus said in Matthew 24:32-34, when the fig tree blossoms it would be near and that generation of the blossom of the fig tree would not pass without everything happening. The fig tree is Israel and it blossomed in the year of 1897 with the first Zionist congress in Switzerland. Now count from that year 120 years (Genesis 6:3), a generation, that is 2017, also a coinciding with the sign on the 23rd September.

Look at the world, all the signs on the earth.

I am not setting dates but what to think when I see all of this? And like it is written in Amos 3:7, God will not do anything without warning his servants.

So be ready and watchful for the rapture of the church may occur on that date.

After that I think will resume his Plan with Israel, the final week of years. Micah 5:3

You all have been warned.
 

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Hello Christian1985,

The Male Child is the body of Christ, which is immediately raptured to God and His Throne when completed. Notice that the Scriptures say that Christ will rule the Nations with the Saints, with His body. That's why the Male Child will rule over the Nations when it is born, the Head and the Body will finally come together.
The male child is a collective name for the 144,000 who will be Israelite's who come out of Israel (gives birth to) who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah.

If you will look closely at the context Jesus does not fit the criteria of the male child. The dragon/Satan is waiting for the child to be born, but as soon as the woman gives birth, the child is caught up to God and His throne out of the dragon's/Satan's reach. Jesus on the other hand was crucified. So in keeping with the context, he would have been devoured.

Also, there are three that are mentioned in scripture who will rule with a rod of iron which are, those who overcome within the church (Rev.2:26-27), the male child/144,000 (Rev.12:5), and the Lord Jesus (Rev.19:15). Also, another clue that the 144,000 is the male child is that in Rev.14: states that this group did not defile themselves with women, which would demonstrate that they are all males, ergo, male child.

The dragon is the present world system, the evil here on earth, I don´t know how to call it, all I know is it has an agenda to devour the Child (the church).
The identity of the dragon is given right in Revelation 12:

"The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him."

Furthermore, the church cannot be the male child and that because it would put the church through the all of the seals and trumpet ju
dgments, which are the wrath of God and which scripture states that we are not appointed to suffer (1 Thes.1:10, 5:9).
 
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posthuman

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OH,,,, and yo have seen them yourself...not Nasa's pictures but you have seen them through telescopes that will let you see them as they are pictured.
yes. i've been looking through telescopes and studying astronomy & astrophysics my whole life.

dude, you can see phases of mercury and venus and the Galilean moons of jupiter with as little as binoculars. with a small telescope you can see saturns rings and moons, and mare on mars.

and you?
have you ever looked at the sky?