Researching bible prophecy and end times

[Blain]

Hey guys so I am doing some more research and studying of bible prophecy and the end times and I wanted to discuss a little of my findings. Now in all my research and studies I have done this one is perhaps the most interesting because my main focus is Israel the Jews and how it's all tied to bible prophecy.
Also I must admit I have not been on cc a lot because sadly when i become focused on my research I lose myself in it and even forget to eat a lot too and several people have been concerned so I wanted to put everyone at ease.

Now Israel and her people are very interesting because when God gave the land to them it was barren nothing could possibly grow there but upon the Jews arriving and taking place there it thrived, Israel is also the most protected as well as the most persecuted as well. The Jews themselves seemed to always be have a soft spot in God's heart Time and time again over and over again more than anyone the Jews were chosen and protected and empowered by God they overcame impossible odds and constantly proved themselves to be a fierce people because they were like roaches you just can't ever truly get rid of them.

However though they were clearly the most protected of all people they also were disciplined the most by God mainly I think because he disciplines those he treasures. They were constantly like children always rebelling against God always turning to false idols always rejecting God in some form or another and yet he never truly gave up on them in fact he even said they would be a key player in bringing his kingdom to earth which of course many of the prophets of old especially David prophesied.

fast forwarding to 1948 the land of Israel was a desolate barren waste land like a women who was barren and could never give birth which brings my mind the story of Abraham whom God promised children from a barren wife counting more than the stars in the sky mark twain even visited Israel and said it was empty and barren and nothing could ever hope to flourish there. But just like Abrahams barren wife in 1948 when the Jews reclaimed their home the land flourished and is now one of the most flourished lands in the entire world.

However another sad fact is that the Jews even from far before Jesus Arrived have always been the most hated of people for one reason or another even in todays age they are the most hated of all peoples by the world being attacked by all sides being despised and being threatened by Muslims to be wiped clean off the face of the earth. Now as to how all this ties into bible prophecy I am still working on that. the very little info I have posted took me a long time to confirm as I had to dive deep to confirm every detail by any means I could

 

[Magenta]

In the past, they were being groomed to bring forth Messiah Jesus.
Clearly the problems of being beset by Muslims especially is due to
the Satanic anti Christ nature of Islam itself. Deception is strong potion.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Dribble Blain. Like a 1950's propaganda film in the style of a Barbara Cartland novel.

 

[Blain]

In the past, they were being groomed to bring forth Messiah Jesus.
Clearly the problems of being beset by Muslims especially is due to
the Satanic anti Christ nature of Islam itself. Deception is strong potion.

I also thought this would be the case I mean the Muslims have a very deep hatred and blood lust for the Jews and Christians for no real reason and are very passionate for their hate and blood lust

 

[Blain]

Dribble Blain. Like a 1950's propaganda film in the style of a Barbara Cartland novel.

? I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean?

 

[Depleted]

Hey guys so I am doing some more research and studying of bible prophecy and the end times and I wanted to discuss a little of my findings. Now in all my research and studies I have done this one is perhaps the most interesting because my main focus is Israel the Jews and how it's all tied to bible prophecy.
Also I must admit I have not been on cc a lot because sadly when i become focused on my research I lose myself in it and even forget to eat a lot too and several people have been concerned so I wanted to put everyone at ease.

Now Israel and her people are very interesting because when God gave the land to them it was barren nothing could possibly grow there but upon the Jews arriving and taking place there it thrived, Israel is also the most protected as well as the most persecuted as well. The Jews themselves seemed to always be have a soft spot in God's heart Time and time again over and over again more than anyone the Jews were chosen and protected and empowered by God they overcame impossible odds and constantly proved themselves to be a fierce people because they were like roaches you just can't ever truly get rid of them.

However though they were clearly the most protected of all people they also were disciplined the most by God mainly I think because he disciplines those he treasures. They were constantly like children always rebelling against God always turning to false idols always rejecting God in some form or another and yet he never truly gave up on them in fact he even said they would be a key player in bringing his kingdom to earth which of course many of the prophets of old especially David prophesied.

fast forwarding to 1948 the land of Israel was a desolate barren waste land like a women who was barren and could never give birth which brings my mind the story of Abraham whom God promised children from a barren wife counting more than the stars in the sky mark twain even visited Israel and said it was empty and barren and nothing could ever hope to flourish there. But just like Abrahams barren wife in 1948 when the Jews reclaimed their home the land flourished and is now one of the most flourished lands in the entire world.

However another sad fact is that the Jews even from far before Jesus Arrived have always been the most hated of people for one reason or another even in todays age they are the most hated of all peoples by the world being attacked by all sides being despised and being threatened by Muslims to be wiped clean off the face of the earth. Now as to how all this ties into bible prophecy I am still working on that. the very little info I have posted took me a long time to confirm as I had to dive deep to confirm every detail by any means I could

When you study and research, where do you go?

I ask because your premise is assumed by stuff you've already been taught, by people, instead of the Bible. And Israel was no barren land. Joshua and the spies saw quite a beautiful land flowing with milk and honey.

If you start with bad premises, the rest is going to backfire.

 

[Blain]

When you study and research, where do you go?

I ask because your premise is assumed by stuff you've already been taught, by people, instead of the Bible. And Israel was no barren land. Joshua and the spies saw quite a beautiful land flowing with milk and honey.

If you start with bad premises, the rest is going to backfire.

Actually I am not sure why said it was barren when God gave it to them because your right it was anything but barren I may have made a mistake in that part of the post lol. But as for where I go to do this I read the scriptures and I also watch sermons or videos on the subject I go on this other Christian forum as well where I have often times had a lot help understanding things in my research that I either don't really understand or just need advice on.

Of course the issue is that people are flawed as are videos and sermons so I have take everything into account with a grain of salt even my own reading of the scriptures

 

[wolfwint]

When you study and research, where do you go?

I ask because your premise is assumed by stuff you've already been taught, by people, instead of the Bible. And Israel was no barren land. Joshua and the spies saw quite a beautiful land flowing with milk and honey.

If you start with bad premises, the rest is going to backfire.

Hi Lynn, you are right in the Bible report about Israel.But Blaine mentioned Israel in 1948. Before 1948 Israel was waste land. Mostly cultivatet from Jews which lived,in kibuzzes(small enclaves among the Muslims) in the years after 1948 they enveloped the land to what it is today.

 

[maxwel]

However another sad fact is that the Jews even from far before Jesus Arrived have always been the most hated of people for one reason or another even in todays age they are the most hated of all peoples by the world being attacked by all sides being despised and being threatened by Muslims to be wiped clean off the face of the earth. Now as to how all this ties into bible prophecy I am still working on that. the very little info I have posted took me a long time to confirm as I had to dive deep to confirm every detail by any means I could

This is all contingent on your brand of hermeneutics, which then informs your eschatology.

These differences in hermeneutics, appearing in different forms, are debated every day on CC.

There is no single, or even majority, consensus.




What does all that mean?
It means that no matter what you find... it will get debated endlessly.




There will be no peace DISCUSSING Israel,
just as there will be no peace IN Israel.

 

[Depleted]

Actually I am not sure why said it was barren when God gave it to them because your right it was anything but barren I may have made a mistake in that part of the post lol. But as for where I go to do this I read the scriptures and I also watch sermons or videos on the subject I go on this other Christian forum as well where I have often times had a lot help understanding things in my research that I either don't really understand or just need advice on.

Of course the issue is that people are flawed as are videos and sermons so I have take everything into account with a grain of salt even my own reading of the scriptures

Yeah, that's also part of the problem. You can find stuff that supports pre-, post-, a-, some, maybe, not, on End Times stuff anywhere you look. And, unless you understand what's going on to begin with, each argument sure seems convincing. So, how do you know what's going on before hand? Learn what the Bible says as a whole.

One thing all End Timers have in common -- no matter which way they come in on the subject -- is they take a little from this book, shove it into something else from another book, and piecemeal it together to fit what they want to believe.

Good premises to start with:
-- The Bible is a book about God.
-- The Bible is God telling us about him.
-- The Bible is all true. (Well, kind of have to deduct from that one a little bit, if you think about the bad advice given to Job by his buddies, but keep that together with it's a book about God, and you don't really have to go there.)
-- The bible doesn't cover everything. It merely covers what we need to know about God. (And that's one HUGE "merely.")

Much, if not all, stuff about End Times starts with this premise:
-- The Bible is a book about us now.

Bad premise. The only place we're left is guessing so much that really isn't in the book about God.

Isn't it better to learn about God than to learn about all these side subjects that keep coming up on this board, apart from "What does God want?"

Been studying God's word for close to 45 years now. Or, more precisely, I thought I was. Ends up I wasted quite a few years learning side issues that I could have spent learning God. And now I know -- I will never get close to learning all there is to know about God by the time this life is over, and it bothers me how much time I wasted learning the junk.

You're young still. Be smarter than I am/was. (It doesn't take much to do that either. lol)

 

[Depleted]

Hi Lynn, you are right in the Bible report about Israel.But Blaine mentioned Israel in 1948. Before 1948 Israel was waste land. Mostly cultivatet from Jews which lived,in kibuzzes(small enclaves among the Muslims) in the years after 1948 they enveloped the land to what it is today.

Modern Israel isn't in the book about God.

 

[Blain]

This is all contingent on your brand of hermeneutics, which then informs your eschatology.

These differences in hermeneutics, appearing in different forms, are debated every day on CC.

There is no single, or even majority, consensus.




What does all that mean?
It means that no matter what you find... it will get debated endlessly.




There will be no peace DISCUSSING Israel,
just as there will be no peace IN Israel.

While all of this is true I believe Jesus's words Mathew 7:7 Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

I believe that if I study and search not leaning on my own understanding but on his and have the faith to seek ask and knock he will reveal what has been hidden, but he only reveals the deeper truths to those who are willing to seek it. Regardless if there is peace in this or not if never seek the truth out for ourselves then it will always remain hidden and I am doing this not to debate or to prove anything but as a personal interest and journey of understanding.

One subject I have always loved to study is bible prophecy and I have done it many subjects in the past the book of revelation the connection to events we see today and the prophecies spoken of in the bible the blood moon tetrad and now my focus is israel and the jews and their connection to bible prophecy and the end times. It is only by my sheer faith and belief that god can and will guide me and reveal the truth to me regardless of any kind of odds or confusion that I study these things I myself do not bear the insight and understanding to be able to understand and perceive these things. Maybe you see a dead end but I see a door to be opened

 

[maxwel]

While all of this is true I believe Jesus's words Mathew 7:7 Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

I believe that if I study and search not leaning on my own understanding but on his and have the faith to seek ask and knock he will reveal what has been hidden, but he only reveals the deeper truths to those who are willing to seek it. Regardless if there is peace in this or not if never seek the truth out for ourselves then it will always remain hidden and I am doing this not to debate or to prove anything but as a personal interest and journey of understanding.

One subject I have always loved to study is bible prophecy and I have done it many subjects in the past the book of revelation the connection to events we see today and the prophecies spoken of in the bible the blood moon tetrad and now my focus is israel and the jews and their connection to bible prophecy and the end times. It is only by my sheer faith and belief that god can and will guide me and reveal the truth to me regardless of any kind of odds or confusion that I study these things I myself do not bear the insight and understanding to be able to understand and perceive these things. Maybe you see a dead end but I see a door to be opened

I don't see the study of prophecy as a dead end.

I see "discussing it here" as a dead end.



I see discussing MOST THINGS here as a dead end.
But we still do it.
Maybe it's entertaining.

Have fun,
Max

 

[wolfwint]

Modern Israel isn't in the book about God.

You shure? Who you think is protecting Israel?

 

[RomansToPhilemon]

Hey guys so I am doing some more research and studying of bible prophecy and the end times and

fast forwarding to 1948 the land of Israel was a desolate barren waste land like a women who was barren and could never give birth which brings my mind the story of Abraham whom God promised children from a barren wife counting more than the stars in the sky mark twain even visited Israel and said it was empty and barren and nothing could ever hope to flourish there. But just like Abrahams barren wife in 1948 when the Jews reclaimed their home the land flourished and is now one of the most flourished lands in the entire world.

However another sad fact is that the Jews even from far before Jesus Arrived have always been the most hated of people for one reason or another even in todays age they are the most hated of all peoples by the world being attacked by all sides being despised and being threatened by Muslims to be wiped clean off the face of the earth. Now as to how all this ties into bible prophecy I am still working on that. the very little info I have posted took me a long time to confirm as I had to dive deep to confirm every detail by any means I could

I would say that 1948 is NOT the fulfillment of bible prophecy. The bible says GOD will be the one who brings back Israel, not man. And if you look at how much land they are supposed to have in that prophecy, current Israel isn't even close to what they are going to have in the future. Not to mention that prophecy is not going on today because we live in the dispensation of grace called a mystery. Prophecy cannot be inside a mystery. Two competing truths. That's why you must learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.

I personally believe that modern day Israel is nothing more than a satanic deception. The idea that Satan want's the end times prophecies to begin is not even logical. It makes more sense he wants this dispensation to go on as long as possible, because he get's to rule and reign on this Earth that much longer. Once we get raptured, he's only got 7 years left and then he get's his punishment of Hell. It makes no sense to think Satan want's to bring about the end times.

Modern day Israel is just another thing he created to keep Christians lost in the Old Testament prophecies, that don't belong to the body of Christ, because doing so keeps them from the MYSTERY that defeats Satan. The more he can blind believers from the mystery truths, the longer he gets to reign, the longer this dispensation goes on, and the longer it takes to form all the members needed for the body of Christ.

 

[tanakh]

I would say that 1948 is NOT the fulfillment of bible prophecy. The bible says GOD will be the one who brings back Israel, not man. And if you look at how much land they are supposed to have in that prophecy, current Israel isn't even close to what they are going to have in the future. Not to mention that prophecy is not going on today because we live in the dispensation of grace called a mystery. Prophecy cannot be inside a mystery. Two competing truths. That's why you must learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.

I personally believe that modern day Israel is nothing more than a satanic deception. The idea that Satan want's the end times prophecies to begin is not even logical. It makes more sense he wants this dispensation to go on as long as possible, because he get's to rule and reign on this Earth that much longer. Once we get raptured, he's only got 7 years left and then he get's his punishment of Hell. It makes no sense to think Satan want's to bring about the end times.

Modern day Israel is just another thing he created to keep Christians lost in the Old Testament prophecies, that don't belong to the body of Christ, because doing so keeps them from the MYSTERY that defeats Satan. The more he can blind believers from the mystery truths, the longer he gets to reign, the longer this dispensation goes on, and the longer it takes to form all the members needed for the body of Christ.

I agree with some of what you say. Only a remnant of Israel is saved and all the future prophecies concerning Israel point to the Millennium not now. It is at Christs return that they are gathered and Antichrist is defeated. Zechariah describes his
second coming. Where we part company is at the timing of the Rapture.

 

[Matthew24]

While all of this is true I believe Jesus's words Mathew 7:7 Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

I believe that if I study and search not leaning on my own understanding but on his and have the faith to seek ask and knock he will reveal what has been hidden, but he only reveals the deeper truths to those who are willing to seek it. Regardless if there is peace in this or not if never seek the truth out for ourselves then it will always remain hidden and I am doing this not to debate or to prove anything but as a personal interest and journey of understanding.

One subject I have always loved to study is bible prophecy and I have done it many subjects in the past the book of revelation the connection to events we see today and the prophecies spoken of in the bible the blood moon tetrad and now my focus is israel and the jews and their connection to bible prophecy and the end times. It is only by my sheer faith and belief that god can and will guide me and reveal the truth to me regardless of any kind of odds or confusion that I study these things I myself do not bear the insight and understanding to be able to understand and perceive these things. Maybe you see a dead end but I see a door to be opened

Blain, do not be decieved. God only brought back the children of Israel when they started following him. Did this happen in 1948? Yes, the jews have been hated....but why? Well, mainly usury. The Jews are very tribal and have financially enslaved many nations, including USA. This is no secret and is very well documented. As christians, we should love all races of people and share the gospel with every creature. The New Testament is very clear on who is a Jew and who is not. The majority of kool aid drinking christians will continue to waive the American (Babylon) flag along side the (star of Remphan) flag without thinking about it. The USA is a world empire with the UN headquarters located in NY. We have our troops in almost every nation. This modern day Israel worship is a conspiracy brought to you by men like CI Scoefield and John Nelson Darby. There is no doubt that the Israel worship and the pretrib rapture are linked...both are deceptions that are not taught in the bible. I added you as a friend. If you'd like more info message me.