Is Jesus God?

DavidA7 · Feb 8, 2017

Jesus is God, I personally don't believe in the trinity. Jesus said I and the father are one.

Magenta · Feb 9, 2017

Hello Jay. I realize this is something you have questioned quite a bit, and it is something I pondered too, after coming to belief, because I did not know what I believed about it right away either, and I did not want to take anything for granted.

However, Scripture is pretty clear that Jesus is the Word of God and that the Word of God is God, took on flesh, and walked this world. I am not sure if this is even the right thread, as a number of them are going on all at the same time about the deity of Jesus, and I have seen a few questions from you in different ones.

This question, about the "I AM" is how God identified Himself to Moses so that the Hebrew people would know Moses meant their God when he said the I AM sent him. For Jesus to say HE was the I AM before Abraham was even born is clearly Jesus identifying Himself as God. Here are some more points to ponder from gotquestions.org

Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, “The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’”

During His trial before the Jewish leaders, the High Priest demanded of Jesus, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God” (Matthew 26:63). “’Yes, it is as you say,’ Jesus replied. ‘But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven’” (Matthew 26:64). The Jewish leaders responded by accusing Jesus of blasphemy (Matthew 26:65-66).

Later, before Pontius Pilate, “The Jews insisted, ‘We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He claimed to be the Son of God’” (John 19:7). Why would His claiming to be the Son of God be considered blasphemy and be worthy of a death sentence?

The Jewish leaders understood exactly what Jesus meant by the phrase “Son of God.” To be the Son of God is to be of the same nature as God. The Son of God is “of God.” The claim to be of the same nature as God—to in fact be God—was blasphemy to the Jewish leaders; therefore, they demanded Jesus’ death, in keeping with Leviticus 24:15. Hebrews 1:3 expresses this very clearly, “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being.”

Another example can be found in John 17:12 where Judas is described as the “son of perdition.” John 6:71 tells us that Judas was the son of Simon. What does John 17:12 mean by describing Judas as the “son of perdition”? The word perdition means “destruction, ruin, waste.” Judas was not the literal son of “ruin, destruction, and waste,” but those things were the identity of Judas' life. Judas was a manifestation of perdition. In this same way, Jesus is the Son of God. The Son of God is God. Jesus is God made manifest (John 1:1, 14).

jaybird88 · Feb 9, 2017

Magenta said:

Hey Magenta!
If Jesus was sending a message that He was the Most High would He not have said exactly what was spoken in Ex-"ego eimi o ohn," not the common expression "ego eimi", which is spoken by virtually everyone at some time in their lives in response to a question about themselves. You also have the issue with the phrase itself i am, I am, I AM, which few bible versions agree.

I dont think the priest leadership are very credible sources for truths. These are the same ones John called a brood of vipers and Jesus called sons of the devil (both meaning the same thing), that alone would make me question anything they said. We know they were plotting His death, they knew He was a good man yet they wanted to kill Him anyway. In the same passage we know they were attempting to bring false witness against Jesus.

Son of the Most High refers to heavenly beings, angels, host, etc. when did Son of the Most High become Most High? I do believe there is a difference between “a” son of the Most High and “the” Son of the Most High, but I also believe there is a difference between the Son of the Most High and the Most High.

Roughsoul1991 · Feb 9, 2017

Prov910 said:

Still verse 1 and 14 are obviously clear. Plus no one ever in scripture referred to themselves as I Am except God and Jesus. Meaning they are of the same but manifested into 3 different things.

Zmouth · Feb 9, 2017

Magenta said:

If you are going to assert that Jesus said that he was the Son of God then is his word from everlasting to everlasting since it is written in John 5:31:If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Since Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever more then do you know Christ as a man or as a spiritual entity ?

In Exodus 3:14 it is written, And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Since the word of the LORD given in the Torah was

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19

In John 8:58 wherein it is written, Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Thus, the dialogue in which the statement was made leads myself to the conclusion that his response to the Jews that were refuting his testimony that he was telling them what he heard from the LORD since he stated in John 8:40 , "a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham." Thus his response to the fact he was not yet fifty years old was to say that the LORD who sent me was the LORD before Abraham. But some people believe that the LORD doesn't speak to man except in dreams and visions.

But as he stated, he that is of God hears God's words, some don't understand that blessed is he that comes in the name of the LORD.

Magenta said:

Since Caesar had been deified as a God, or God-man if you will, by the Roman Empire, the emperor was the incarnate of Ceasar, being the living God of the Romans. During Augustus reign as emperor he took the designation of 'Divi Filius' and the Jews believed that Jesus was claiming to be the "Divi Filius' and were afraid that the Emperor would destroy them.

49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
John 11:49-51

Thus in John 19, when Pilate found no fault in him, the Jews responded to Pilate " We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God."And the law that the Jews were claiming he should die was the Roman Law , hence the reason in verse 8When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid; since the Chief Priest stated in John 19:15, "The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar."

trofimus · Feb 9, 2017

DavidA7 said:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 1

As you can see, Jesus and Father are not the same person. They are one in a different meaning.

Triunity is the best explanation you can get. Three persons in one God.

followjesus · Feb 9, 2017

Prov910 said:

Paul....romans 1:3-4 "Concerning HIS SON Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the SON OF GOD with power, ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:"

a voice from Heaven without form. ..Matthew 3 :16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo A VOICE FROM HEAVEN, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased."

John the apostle 1 john 5:9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for THIS IS THE WITNESS OF GOD which he hath TESTIFIED OF HIS SON. 10He that believeth on the SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that GOD GAVE OF HIS SON. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is IN HIS SON. 12He that hath THE SON hath life; and he that hath not the SON OF GOD hath not life."

the witness of peter, john and james at the transfiguration ....mark 9:6-8 "For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a VOICE CAME OUT OF THE CLOUD, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON: HEAR HIM. 8And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves."

(remember that God appeared in the old testament as a cloud of darkness, , that caused fear and He spoke from the cloud Just likethis event on the mount saying My Son, this is My SON...

and on earth His faithful servant meant for the world

Matthew 12:17-21 "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,18Behold MY SERVANT whom I HAVE CHOSEN; MY BELOVED, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put MY SPIRIT UPON HIM, and he shall shew judgment to the GENTILES..19He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.20A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.21And in his name shall the GENTILES trust."

finally this is pretty good summary

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is THE CHRIST is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the SON OF GOD?

beta · Feb 9, 2017

Roughsoul1991 said:

Jesus said 'He and His Father are one' - they are of the 'same Spirit' but exist as separate Beings.
We also have to become 'one in Spirit with them but we will still have our own identity .

beta · Feb 9, 2017

DavidA7 said:

And that makes 2 Beings (not 3) sharing the same Spirit.

trofimus · Feb 9, 2017

beta said:

3 persons in one being is the correct conclusion, if we accept all the NT verses

p_rehbein · Feb 9, 2017

The Holy Trinity is surely difficult for man to understand, so it is not surprising that many people have trouble with it. Simple explanation I post all the time on Threads such as this:

God the Father: God OF man
God the Son: God AS man
God the Holy Spirit: God WITHIN man

The Divinity of Christ is essential for any person who professes to be a Christian to believe in. (my opinion) Jesus Himself made several statements to His Divinity, as did the Apostles.

To deny the Holy Trinity, the Deity of Christ is a dangerous thing in my opinion........and I believe THIS is the unpardonable sin, for those who deny this are denying the VERY ESSENCE of God.

There are some movements/church organizations who deny the Trinity........so you could probably find like minded individuals/groups.........but I wouldn't put my faith in their doctrine. (just saying)

People are fooling around with their eternal salvation when they begin to deny the Divinity of Christ in my opinion, and that is a very dangerous thing with severe and eternal consequences......

Prov910 said:

Hungry · Feb 9, 2017

We grapple with such questions because our understanding of who and what "God" is. The word itself is more or less a label they paste on the divine. I think it's easier to understand when you realize that it's more like a Royal Family. The divinity is based on the spiritual "DNA". The Son of the Most High is not and never was the Most High. Man has a specific spirit. Let's just say it is like a battery that is in a machine (our body). Of course this isn't a perfect analogy because it's sentient and immortal. The battery outside of a machine has no specific purpose. That's why in the resurrection we will get uncorruptible new bodies. The battery/spirit has properties, and so does the machine. They interact together. Yeshua was the Son of the Most High (who is Divine Spirit with His own identity) incarnated in a body. This is what made Him man and God/Divine. The Holy Spirit is also a divine individual but not in a body. These are the three that we know of but it doesn't say that there is only three.

garee · Feb 9, 2017

DavidA7 said:

Trinity is a word that some attach to their belief. Three is a word that God uses to indicate an end to the matter.
For a while I have been looking at the Father and Son as immutable attributes one one Spirit. God is Spirit. That has been working the best for trying to reconcile the peace of one God. In that way there are three. He is not a man as us . He remains without mother or father, beginning of days or end of Spirit life.

Adstar · Feb 9, 2017

Jesus is the Mighty God,, He is the Everlasting Father, Our Prince of Peace...

Isaiah 9:KJV

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his

shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father,

The Prince of Peace.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 9, 2017

an OT passage

Jesus is the "God of Israel"

Is 48:16 : Come ye near unto me (Jesus), Hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it (the beginning) was, there am I, and now the Lord God (Father), and his Spirit (Holy Spirit), hath sent me.

another one, showing aspects of the trinity

Is 63:7-10a : I will mention the loving kindness of the Lord (Jesus) and the praises of the Lord, according to all the Lord has bestowed upon us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, Which he has bestowed upon them according to his mercies. For he said..Surely they are my people, children who will not lie, so he became their SAVIOR. in all their affliction he was afflicted. and the angel of his presence saved them. in his love and his pity he redeemed them. and he bore them and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit.

garee · Feb 9, 2017

I would offer the term Son of man would have to be added to that description.He came in corrupted flesh likened as sinful that aged in a process of death that could die, it would represent God, as if God was a man .God no has beginning of days or end of Spirit life .He appeared in the flesh but is not of it, When He left He informed us from that point we know him that way no more forever more. The prophecy that spoke of Him putting on the flesh was fulfilled. We walk by faith and not by sight.God remains without form.

Prov910 · Feb 9, 2017

p_rehbein said:

God of man, God as man, and God within man. This makes sense. It addresses one of the issues that gave rise to my questions--namely, that the bible clearly states that there is one, and only one, God. It also addresses another issue I've had, namely, that as a human man Jesus could do things that no other men could do, be as a human man He seemingly did not have all the capabilities of God (Him) in heaven. (For example, Omniscience, Mark 13:32. Omnipotence, Mark 6:5. Omnipresence, John 11:21). But I guess God came to us in human form as Jesus to lead us to salvation.

p_rehbein said:

Really?? You are advising me to seek out "like minded" groups who deny the Trinity? (the bolded part). No need to accuse me of apostasy. I merely have questions, and am seeking answers.

dcontroversal · Feb 9, 2017

trofimus said:

The bible teaches it...in Hebrew you have

1. Singular-->1
2. Dual or pairs--->2
3. Plural-->3 or more

When GOD breathed into Adam the breath of life<---the word is LIVES and is PLURAL (3 or more) as in...

1. Spiritual Life
2. Physical Life
3. Intellectual LIFE

creation as well speaks to the 3 in 1 concept......

Jesus was also clear....IMMERSE in the NAME OF THE

THE FATHER
THE SON
THE HOLY SPIRIT

THREE definite articles..........and the NAME OF applied!

dcontroversal · Feb 9, 2017

Adstar said:

Jesus is the Mighty God,, He is the Everlasting Father, Our Prince of Peace...

Isaiah 9:KJV

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his

shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father,

The Prince of Peace.

Good catch my AUSSIE mate......

bravethea · Feb 9, 2017

HE IS ELOHIM amen

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