******TAKE AMERICA BACK*****

[zeroturbulence]

could someone point me to the Biblical mandate for believers to seek political power to rule over non-believers?

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
(Revelation 22:11-13)
​

i pray for peace, not tyranny, religious, under false pretense of religion, or otherwise.
the Law was given to Israel as the separated people of God, not to America, and our primary citizenship is not of this world.

Not the Bible... The Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution!

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

- Declaration of Independence, July 4th, 1776


"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

- U. S. Constitution (preamble), September 17, 1787

 

[88]

What's your plan to take America back for God---We are facing judgment for basically rejecting God----yes, we are a religious people---even a loving people---but are we not following God's very basic commands that he judges nations by----IDOLATRY------LYING----STEALING----SEXUAL IMMORALITY----MURDER----COVETOUSNESS*************Hey just sit there until the Rapture happens----------or---------------Wait for the Anti-Christ and the Tribulation and lose your head-----How can we see a REFORMATION------AWAKENING------REVIVAL------the ball is in our court---what say you...?

*****Preach the Word----let the chips fall where they may (2 Timothy 4:2)...

 

[pottersclay]

88 you keep on keeping on bro, I'll take you in my Fox hole any time. We both can believe foolishly on God's foolishness towards the wise.

 

[Naboth]

I am rather curious by this topic because I don't really think America has been taken away from me, nor from God just yet.

However let me indulge this paradigm and suppose it has been. I suppose then before one can rebuild America they have to do a few things.

Firstly: Why do you (anyone in general) think you lost your authority over America in the first place?

Secondly: We must sit down and count the cost before we build. What will it cost to rebuild America? Will it cost money, will it cost love, will it cost friendships, will it cost a rehaul of the government, will it cost a war, will it cost other peoples' lives, will it cost our very lives?

Thirdly: After estimating why you have lost your authority over America and after estimating what the cost for building America will be; we must ask ourselves if the cost is too great. We must ask ourselves if we even have the means individually or collectively to build America. Is it even worth it to build America, or is it better that it be fallen down and destroyed?

 

[88]

I am rather curious by this topic because I don't really think America has been taken away from me, nor from God just yet.

However let me indulge this paradigm and suppose it has been. I suppose then before one can rebuild America they have to do a few things.

Firstly: Why do you (anyone in general) think you lost your authority over America in the first place?

Secondly: We must sit down and count the cost before we build. What will it cost to rebuild America? Will it cost money, will it cost love, will it cost friendships, will it cost a rehaul of the government, will it cost a war, will it cost other peoples' lives, will it cost our very lives?

Thirdly: After estimating why you have lost your authority over America and after estimating what the cost for building America will be; we must ask ourselves if the cost is too great. We must ask ourselves if we even have the means individually or collectively to build America. Is it even worth it to build America, or is it better that it be fallen down and destroyed?

****God is in the Restoration Business-----He wants America to be saved...
https://youtu.be/KnTkzFWYLUc

 

[dcontroversal]

We would have healed her, but she would not be healed....said of the HIINDERMOST of the nations--> A.K.A. the LADY of the KINGDOMS.......

We are beyond the ability as a nation to be healed.......the gig is about up.....!

 

[Naboth]

****God is in the Restoration Business-----He wants America to be saved...
https://youtu.be/KnTkzFWYLUc

A decent video, and I do think God wants everyone to be saved, even America. However we must be mindful the world will come to an end one day, and that does also include America.

I'm curious on your thoughts on the three points. Do you believe you have lost your authority over America? What do you think will be the cost to rebuilding America? Do you think it is worth trying?

 

[posthuman]

Not the Bible... The Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution!

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

- Declaration of Independence, July 4th, 1776

yeah, that's what i'd hope to point out

For there is no authority except from God,
and those that exist have been instituted by God.
(Romans 13:1)

It is He who changes the times and the epochs;
He removes kings and establishes kings
(Daniel 2:21)

But God is the Judge;
He puts down one and exalts another.
(Psalm 75:7)
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but the constitution is entirely humanistic, and though the declaration acknowledges a Creator ((even capitalizing the word in the original)), it places the citizenry in the position of the originator, establisher and judge of the one(s) seated as ruler of the people.
this, as you concede, is not the Biblical truth.

((yes, it was God's will that America be established as it was, and He set men's hearts to revolution. i'm not trying to start a 'we should still be English citizens' argument))

it's even been argued to me that Romans 13:1 does not instruct us to honor the president, because this constitution places vox populi as the authority established by God.
((though this brother did not necessarily want to honor the voice of the people, either...))

[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
so, in this light - the OP.

what am i going to do to 'take America back' ?
pray that God shows mercy, and patiently wait on Him.

Arise, O God, judge the earth:
for thou shalt inherit all nations.
(Psalm 82:8)

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[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]

vox populi, vox dei?

a lie.

 

[posthuman]

We would have healed her, but she would not be healed....said of the HIINDERMOST of the nations--> A.K.A. the LADY of the KINGDOMS.......

amen!

We are beyond the ability as a nation to be healed.......

all things are possible with God​

 

[88]

A decent video, and I do think God wants everyone to be saved, even America. However we must be mindful the world will come to an end one day, and that does also include America.

I'm curious on your thoughts on the three points. Do you believe you have lost your authority over America? What do you think will be the cost to rebuilding America? Do you think it is worth trying?

**** we have authority over America but we must take society back---- government----- arts & entertainment------ military------ family----- Church----- finance-----it might cost us our very lives----- it is our responsibility and mandate....

 

[PrynceNY]

**** we have authority over America but we must take society back---- government----- arts & entertainment------ military------ family----- Church----- finance-----it might cost us our very lives----- it is our responsibility and mandate....

Society is going to continue to get worst it's not going to come back.

 

[JaumeJ]

If you know your US history, more soundrals have sworn allegiance on the Bible than anyone else. It is certainno one who has learned from Jesus Christ would ever swear on the Bible, so that leaves just a few well-intentioned folks who have sworn on it.
I live in Spain. The most vociferous people here about Spain being religious are the political extreme right wing made up of Catholics. If you listen to them enough, you will find they think Protestants are really Catholic, and probably would prefer being Spanish.

People are the same all over the world the only differences are cultural traditions and prejudices. Some, against whom an American may be prejudieced are prejudieced equally about Americans.

There is a vein of thinking in any given country that God is a citizen of their country.........

I want the Kingdom of God to be the goal of allpeople in all countries. The US is a shining example, at times in history, of just what demoncracy should be, but it has never been in God's Hands in any other manner than is the rest of the world.


Stop limiting your desires to an earthly country, and stay your eyes, your heart, your mind and your soul on the Kingdom, and concern yurself with saving all souls for it is written it is God's desire that no soul shoul perish.......

What's your plan to take America back for God---We are facing judgment for basically rejecting God----yes, we are a religious people---even a loving people---but are we not following God's very basic commands that he judges nations by----IDOLATRY------LYING----STEALING----SEXUAL IMMORALITY----MURDER----COVETOUSNESS*************Hey just sit there until the Rapture happens----------or---------------Wait for the Anti-Christ and the Tribulation and lose your head-----How can we see a REFORMATION------AWAKENING------REVIVAL------the ball is in our court---what say you...?

 

[JustWhoIAm]

If you know your US history, more soundrals have sworn allegiance on the Bible than anyone else. It is certainno one who has learned from Jesus Christ would ever swear on the Bible, so that leaves just a few well-intentioned folks who have sworn on it.
I live in Spain. The most vociferous people here about Spain being religious are the political extreme right wing made up of Catholics. If you listen to them enough, you will find they think Protestants are really Catholic, and probably would prefer being Spanish.

People are the same all over the world the only differences are cultural traditions and prejudices. Some, against whom an American may be prejudieced are prejudieced equally about Americans.

There is a vein of thinking in any given country that God is a citizen of their country.........

I want the Kingdom of God to be the goal of allpeople in all countries. The US is a shining example, at times in history, of just what demoncracy should be, but it has never been in God's Hands in any other manner than is the rest of the world.


Stop limiting your desires to an earthly country, and stay your eyes, your heart, your mind and your soul on the Kingdom, and concern yurself with saving all souls for it is written it is God's desire that no soul shoul perish.......

Well we all have different roles and responsibilities.

 

[Naboth]

**** we have authority over America but we must take society back---- government----- arts & entertainment------ military------ family----- Church----- finance-----it might cost us our very lives----- it is our responsibility and mandate....

I like what you say here.

I think though you do not truly have authority over America if you believe this. If you have to take something back; does it not imply that you lost it in the first place? The society; the government, the arts & entertainment, the military, the family, the Churches. All of that is in essence all that makes up America. If we destroy, literally utterly annihilate, all these things then there is simply no America.

So I suppose it must be asked if you all want to reclaim America; Why in the first place was authority taken away from you all and given to others?

 

[Locutus]

On the turning away
From the pale and downtrodden
And the words they say
Which we won't understand

"Don't accept that what's happening
Is just a case of others' suffering
Or you'll find that you're joining in
The turning away"

It's a sin that somehow
Light is changing to shadow
And casting it's shroud
Over all we have known

Unaware how the ranks have grown
Driven on by a heart of stone
We could find that we're all alone
In the dream of the proud

On the wings of the night
As the daytime is stirring
Where the speechless unite
In a silent accord

Using words you will find are strange
And mesmerized as they light the flame
Feel the new wind of change
On the wings of the night

No more turning away
From the weak and the weary
No more turning away
From the coldness inside

Just a world that we all must share
It's not enough just to stand and stare
Is it only a dream that there'll be
No more turning away?

Pink Floyd

 

[dcontroversal]

amen!

all things are possible with God​

Not if we have reached the point of no return......and he has decreed judgment

 

[88]

Society is going to continue to get worst it's not going to come back.

**** you could be right---- but having studied Revival History for 30 years gives me hope of change...

 

[Desertsrose]

**** we have authority over America but we must take society back---- government----- arts & entertainment------ military------ family----- Church----- finance-----it might cost us our very lives----- it is our responsibility and mandate....

Hi 88,

Where are you getting this from? Are you a dominionist?

 

[88]

Hi 88,

Where are you getting this from? Are you a dominionist?

**** no---- but involved with the 7 Mountain Stategy---- started I believe by Bill Bright---- heard Lance Wallnau teach it---- he actually prophecied Trump's Presidency 18 months ago---- also follow Evangelist Reinhardt Bonnke---- he has already won 73 million souls to the Lord in Africa--- he is saying Revival is coming to America...

 

[tanakh]

The UK should be first in line if its up for grabs. Rule Britannia! he he