First, I do believe that there is such a thing as drunk in the spirit, one of the last Pentecostal churches I attended was involved in it. I actually saw the Pastor run into a wall. On the other hand I see nothing in the bible that would tell me that the Spirit of God would do such a thing. Does anyone have experience in this area, also does anyone have scripture to back up the idea that drunk in the spirit is of God?
DRUNK IN THE SPIRIT
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The American Indians have a custom to dance and chant for the Great Spirit to come. When alcohol was introduced to them, the drunkenness brought on by wine reminded them of their communion with the Great Spirit.
Now how can God the Father call these sinners away from that spirit to His Son if the Holy Spirit does the same thing?
So here are scriptures that testify that being drunk in the Spirit is not of Him for it is another fountain they are drinking from and wild wine that makes them fall backwards for not keeping their eyes on Jesus Christ, the gate.
Isaiah 28:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:[SUP]11[/SUP]For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.[SUP]12 [/SUP]To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.[SUP]13 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.[SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
The idea of receiving a filling of the Holy Spirit to be drunk in the "Spirit" is not of Him.
2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
I have heard that some will say that being drunk in the Spirit is the fruit of joy being received, but that can never be.
If you consider that drunkenness is one of the works of the flesh....
Galatians 5:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,[SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
And that temperance which is a fruit of the Spirit that is self control....
Galatians 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.[SUP]25[/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Then the fruit of joy can never be mimicking the work of the flesh of drunkenness. Joy is joy. Joy is not drunkenness. Can a house divided not fall? If we are to walk in the Spirit, then to have the fruit of temperance, there can be no drunkenness of any kind.
Now how can God the Father call these sinners away from that spirit to His Son if the Holy Spirit does the same thing?
So here are scriptures that testify that being drunk in the Spirit is not of Him for it is another fountain they are drinking from and wild wine that makes them fall backwards for not keeping their eyes on Jesus Christ, the gate.
Isaiah 28:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:[SUP]11[/SUP]For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.[SUP]12 [/SUP]To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.[SUP]13 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.[SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
The idea of receiving a filling of the Holy Spirit to be drunk in the "Spirit" is not of Him.
2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
I have heard that some will say that being drunk in the Spirit is the fruit of joy being received, but that can never be.
If you consider that drunkenness is one of the works of the flesh....
Galatians 5:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,[SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
And that temperance which is a fruit of the Spirit that is self control....
Galatians 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.[SUP]25[/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Then the fruit of joy can never be mimicking the work of the flesh of drunkenness. Joy is joy. Joy is not drunkenness. Can a house divided not fall? If we are to walk in the Spirit, then to have the fruit of temperance, there can be no drunkenness of any kind.
I think the spirit airways leads us to do things that build up the body. So, does being drunk in the spirit edify other believers?
at the same time, fascinating passage here
1 SAMUEL 19:23 And he went there to Naioth in Ramah. And the Spirit of God came upon him also, and as he went he prophesied until he came to Naioth in Ramah.
1 SAMUEL 19:24 And he too stripped off his clothes, and he too prophesied before Samuel and lay naked all that day and all that night. Thus it is said, Is Saul also among the prophets?
at the same time, fascinating passage here
1 SAMUEL 19:23 And he went there to Naioth in Ramah. And the Spirit of God came upon him also, and as he went he prophesied until he came to Naioth in Ramah.
1 SAMUEL 19:24 And he too stripped off his clothes, and he too prophesied before Samuel and lay naked all that day and all that night. Thus it is said, Is Saul also among the prophets?
I know that whenever I saw people speaking in a different language then I did - I never once thought they were drunk.
On the day of Pentecost - Peter said - These are not drunk "as you suppose". They were acting like drunk people in some of their minds that saw them coming out of the upper room. Of course there are some that mimic things and are doing things from the flesh too.
I have seen people mimic this and I have experienced being "drunk-like" too from being overwhelmed by the Holy Spirit and I have had times when I couldn't move a muscle so there are valid manifestations of the Spirit when it comes in contact with human flesh.
There are also immature Christians which work themselves up too but I wouldn't be too quick to throw the baby out with the dirty water either.
On the day of Pentecost - Peter said - These are not drunk "as you suppose". They were acting like drunk people in some of their minds that saw them coming out of the upper room. Of course there are some that mimic things and are doing things from the flesh too.
I have seen people mimic this and I have experienced being "drunk-like" too from being overwhelmed by the Holy Spirit and I have had times when I couldn't move a muscle so there are valid manifestations of the Spirit when it comes in contact with human flesh.
There are also immature Christians which work themselves up too but I wouldn't be too quick to throw the baby out with the dirty water either.
Just because a pastor ran into a wall doesn't mean he's right.
Just because someone doesn't get hurt doesn't mean it's holy.
Every "manifestation" of the Spirit can be judged by two simple words: purpose, and fruit.
When God does anything, He does so with purpose. To say God would cause a christian to do some random, worthless thing would be insulting His intelligence.
When the Holy Spirit manifests a gift, He will do so with fruit. No fruit, no gift.
I have seen one-time manifestations where someone was baptized in the Spirit was weak afterward, but after that baptism, a real change was shown in that person's lifestyle. They were forever changed.
The Bible uses drinking and eating in a spiritual way, not seen. For instance we are to drink the blood of Christ. But this is not the literal blood as that which will not enter heaven. But we eat as Christ did, as food or drink the disciples knew not of, that food was to do the will of another (his father in heaven), the meat of the word.
Wine (“to bind, interweave”),is used to represent anything that intoxicates or excites or exhilarates, when used in access.
It could be used to represent pride.
It can be used to help us when referred to honey (a word that represents the word of God ,as the sweet savor of new life .
It is tasting of the things to come. In that way we are not to get drunk on it. It could lead to dissipation of the Spirit, of Christ by grieving because of it .
Pro 25:27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.
In that way I would say anything that is not of faith that comes from hearing God could be considered wine. Like all things that can intoxicate we must take it with wisdom.
I believe in that way it is the gateway drug of this nation. Those who deny the scriptures (do not be drunk on wine ) lose the warning from the scriptures making it to no effect giving them a false comfort..
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Wine (“to bind, interweave”),is used to represent anything that intoxicates or excites or exhilarates, when used in access.
It could be used to represent pride.
It can be used to help us when referred to honey (a word that represents the word of God ,as the sweet savor of new life .
It is tasting of the things to come. In that way we are not to get drunk on it. It could lead to dissipation of the Spirit, of Christ by grieving because of it .
Pro 25:27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.
In that way I would say anything that is not of faith that comes from hearing God could be considered wine. Like all things that can intoxicate we must take it with wisdom.
I believe in that way it is the gateway drug of this nation. Those who deny the scriptures (do not be drunk on wine ) lose the warning from the scriptures making it to no effect giving them a false comfort..
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
No. No. Luke had written in the Book of Acts why they had thought they were drunk when they were speaking a foreign language. Luke did not testify that they were falling down as drunk of any kind.
Acts 2:[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
That is the topic; that is what that tongue was about; of other men's lips to speak unto the people.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?[SUP]8 [/SUP]And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?[SUP]9 [/SUP]Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,[SUP]10 [/SUP]Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,[SUP]11 [/SUP]Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?[SUP]13 [/SUP]Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Not one said anything about babbling tongue as a prayer language. It was about hearing the wonderful works of God in their native foreign tongue and asking what meaning is this and it is from that, that others mock, saying they are full of new wine.
They were not falling down at all.
We are not to believe every spirit but test them; 1 John 4:1-7 with emphasis on verse 4 is the line of discernment that if you feel a spirit coming over you & filling you when the Holy Spirit is already in you as promised by faith in Jesus Christ, then that spirit coming over you "again" is not the real Holy Spirit.
1 John 4:[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.[SUP]4 [/SUP]Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
John 14:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Throw it out, because there is no baby in that filthy water.
Antichrist as used in scripture means "instead of Christ" or to be more precise "instead of the Son".
The real indwelling Holy Spirit will always keep the spotlight on Christ as the bride is to relate to the Bridegroom always.
Seducing spirits aka the spirit of the antichrist would take that spotlight off of Christ to lure believers to chase after them to receive for a sign or other wonders.
How can God call the American Indians away from that spirit that makes them drunk? How can you be sure they have repented? How can you be sure that is the Holy Spirit when it does the same thing as the Great Spirit does for the Indians? How can you test the spirit and prove all things by Jesus Christ if you are not abstaining from all appearances of evil? How can God mimic the Great Spirit at all? God would never do that then, because God is not the author of confusion.
And drunkenness is confusion.
So when a person is drunk in the Spirit, how can you tell if he is not drunk with wine? So would God mimic a work of the flesh? No.
If we are to walk in the Spirit, then there is no drunkenness when the fruit of the Spirit is self control aka temperance.
When a house is divided, that is why believers are falling backwards.
If we are to walk in the Spirit, then there is no drunkenness when the fruit of the Spirit is self control aka temperance.
When a house is divided, that is why believers are falling backwards.
This is nonsense. I have seen many people speak in their own languages and never once thought they were drunk. You are "reading" into the text. But you are free to believe whatever you want. People that speak in foreign languages do not look drunk my friend. If you want to know what "looking drunk" looks like - then watch a drunk person.
These were not drunk "as you suppose" Peter said.
When flesh comes in contact with the Holy Spirit - sometimes there is a reaction. When Jesus said "I am He" - the whole crowd of people fell backwards on the ground in the garden when they came to arrest Him.
When John saw the angel - he became like a dead man. The flesh will react to the Spirit sometimes when it is in manifestation. Again - there are those that are in the flesh and mimic things but to say it doesn't occur is spiritual ignorance gone to seed.
I believe you are one of those that do not believe in speaking in tongues is fore the believer today so of course all this will be foolishness to you too and I understand that.
Do clarify your position because I was the one reproving your interpretation of Pentecost as the notion of them looking like they were drunk as if by falling down...when falling down does happen in this being drunk in the "Spirit" event.
And by the reference to Jesus about fell backwards on the ground, you are still saying they look drunk by falling down.
So what you are trying to reprove me of for speaking against this application of Acts 2 as falling down, you are still supporting it as being okay in this movement of the "Spirit" called being drunk in the "Spirit".
So let us look at your reference about Jesus.
John 18:[SUP]5 [/SUP]They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.[SUP]6 [/SUP]As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.
Did Jesus died and then was crucified? Did they crucify Him after He had died? No.
Then do not read that verse as if they fell backwards when they went backwards and then fell to the ground; and they fell forward as one on their knees before God the Creator... otherwise Jesus would not bother asking them a question if they fell backwards and being unable to move or speak as that is totally different in being drunk with the "Spirit".
On the day of Pentecost - Peter said - These are not drunk "as you suppose". They were acting like drunk people in some of their minds that saw them coming out of the upper room. Of course there are some that mimic things and are doing things from the flesh too.
Again, this was in response to someone asking how this can be when the disciples were speaking in foreign languages; not because they were acting drunk like staggering or falling down. Who pays attention to that today in the real world?
And yet believers pay attention to that as if that is the Holy Spirit causing them to do that in the worship place? That is hardly not believing every spirit that is of God, but acting as if every spirit is of God.
When people faint in real life, it is forward; not like it shows on TV or in the movies. So a John becoming like a dead man will fall forward; not backwards.
I believe in God's gift of tongues being of other men's lips to speak unto the people. I do not believe God's gift of tongues is used for the Holy Spirit as a means to give His intercessions to God the Father.
I believe we are filled with the Spirit and there is no more supernaturally filling of the Spirit because by us being forever filled with the Spirit is our testimony that we are saved that we have eternal life because the Holy Spirit is in us since Jesus has baptized us with that promise from the Father for when we are saved.
It is by avoiding sowing to the flesh and sowing to the fruits of the Spirit is the call to remain filled with the Spirit. So it s not a call to seek a supernatural continual filling of the Spirit as if our seeking makes that happen when we need Him in us all the time so we can sow to the fruits of the Spirit as opposing sowing to the works of the flesh. That is how we are held accountable towards what we sow because we are always filled with the Spirit since we are still in this corruptible flesh. We would not have power if it relies on us to keep filling ourselves with the Spirit supernaturally. Then if that filling leaves for which we must seek a continual filling, then how can we be held accountable if we are not filled with the Spirit to mortify the deeds of the body and sow to the fruits of the Spirit?
Ephesians 5:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;[SUP]19 [/SUP]Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Those drunk in the Spirit singing songs & making melodies to the Lord? No. What's going on then? Confusion.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
So you are the one reading into the text what is not written because they are not acting drunk by staggering or falling down backwards for you to refer being drunk in the Spirit as being associated with Pentecost's supernatural event.
There is a way of running a service that has been around for over 40 years that gets 'rinse, repeat' over and over..
being 'slain in the spirit', 'drunk in the spirit', 'having the annointing'.. associating 'baptism of the Holy Spirit' with ecstatic, pagan like experiences etc..
it has been going on for ages and ages.. and people still just eat it up. Don't imitate Benny Hinn.. learn from his mistakes!
being 'slain in the spirit', 'drunk in the spirit', 'having the annointing'.. associating 'baptism of the Holy Spirit' with ecstatic, pagan like experiences etc..
it has been going on for ages and ages.. and people still just eat it up. Don't imitate Benny Hinn.. learn from his mistakes!
Then poor believers, before the year 1900. They had to live without this special gift and without a second baptism with the Holy Spirit. If this doctrine would be found in the Bible, then there would be no reason for an pentecostal ore charismatic movement. Because it would be normal among all Christians. And Christians would not think: wait there is something wrong!
When Galatians lists the fruit of the Spirit one of them happens to be SELF CONTROL. No, walking into walls and the like is not of the Spirit. It's people acting out of the flesh.
I'm ashamed to admit this, but I was involved in a church that did some of these things. Believe me, it's not of the Lord. Snorting like a moose, a group in front of the church doing gymnastics, eyes rolling and hands flapping, holy laughter, falling in the spirit, etc. Actually, I saw some things that made me believe that some were having satanic/demonic influences.
Before all this happened, we had a special speaker come in to explain it all. We had to leaders go to a church in England they had a relationship with to bring all this stuff back with them.
One woman told me that she went down and tried to get up. She felt a weight on her chest and no matter how hard she tried, she couldn't get off the floor. When she finally was able to, she looked frightened, uncomfortable and left the church.
So being in the middle of all of this, I saw no fruit of the Spirit. Like I said, I'm ashamed I was deceived and was a part of any of it.
I'm ashamed to admit this, but I was involved in a church that did some of these things. Believe me, it's not of the Lord. Snorting like a moose, a group in front of the church doing gymnastics, eyes rolling and hands flapping, holy laughter, falling in the spirit, etc. Actually, I saw some things that made me believe that some were having satanic/demonic influences.
Before all this happened, we had a special speaker come in to explain it all. We had to leaders go to a church in England they had a relationship with to bring all this stuff back with them.
One woman told me that she went down and tried to get up. She felt a weight on her chest and no matter how hard she tried, she couldn't get off the floor. When she finally was able to, she looked frightened, uncomfortable and left the church.
So being in the middle of all of this, I saw no fruit of the Spirit. Like I said, I'm ashamed I was deceived and was a part of any of it.
umm running into a wall is not the fruits of the spirit.... Those kinds of acts are very common in pentacostal churches and are over exaggerated and honestly if he was drunk it wasn't the spirit he was drunk in.
being drunk in the spirit at least in my experience is not acting drunk or being drunk it's being overflowed with the spirit. for example there have been times when i feel the holy spirit very deeply in me not just in abundance but in richness as well i have this serene joy that is indescribable and i mean this literally i have yet find the words to be able to describe that level of peace and joy and closeness to him.
if there is drunkness in the spirit i would say this is it not running into a wall as if your brain damaged
being drunk in the spirit at least in my experience is not acting drunk or being drunk it's being overflowed with the spirit. for example there have been times when i feel the holy spirit very deeply in me not just in abundance but in richness as well i have this serene joy that is indescribable and i mean this literally i have yet find the words to be able to describe that level of peace and joy and closeness to him.
if there is drunkness in the spirit i would say this is it not running into a wall as if your brain damaged
Before I had gone on my vacation with my folks to visit my aunt in Missouri, I was reading a passage from the Upper Room or the Daily Bread booklets that the Lord confronted me with this question. "Decide this day whom you will serve; the Lord Jesus Christ or something else in His name". I was led by the Lord to sense that this was urgent and so I said "You of course." But the urgency remain and so I sad "Please help me to do this." and the sense of urgency was gone.
Then I was confronted by the holy laughter movement at my aunt's church. They showed a tape of the service a week prior where a guest speaker was trying to give a sermon on the tragedy of Samson & Delilah when he was being interrupted repeatedly by giggles and short bursts of laughter that led others in the congregation to do the same until he just led everybody to just go with it saying, "I don't know what the Holy Spirit is doing but let us all come forward..."while laughing and everybody did in the tape. They came forward, fell down and laughed uncontrollably.
After showing the tape, the pastor in the service has several young people testify of this supernatural phenomenon that came over them and the pastor concluded with "I do not know what is going on with the Holy Spirit, but man must get out of the way and the Holy Spirit will come in". or something to that effect which is like new age mentality if you consider it with His help.
Anyway.... people had come forward and some fell but only one woman was laughing uncontrollably at that service as I wondered what this was all about. Then I felt a hand pushing me to go forward and I look backed and saw no one behind me that was doing that. So I ignored i and it happened 2 more times. Did God wanted me to go forward? And so I did. I asked the Lord to heal me of my deafness in my left ear and tinnitus in my right ear. They pushed me back by my forehead but nothing happened. Then I got up, mad, and marched out of there.
When I walked to my aunt's house a block away from the church, I opened my KJV Bible and saw the letter from David Wilkerson about the role of the Holy Spirit, and the Lord led me to discern that it was not the Holy Spirit happening in that church as that presence outside of me pushing me was indeed the spirit of the antichrist.
Another service and I stayed outside of the main assembly area and saw at one time from the doorway that one person did not want anyone pushing him back as his face was heavenward seeking to feel His presence and the guy in front waved his hand to brush the air to his face and that guy felt the air and fell backwards in embracing that "impression" as being from the Spirit. The two guys catching him were smirking with the guy that had waved that air towards his face.
It was after that vacation when I realize that was what the Lord was warning me about. That was how unaware I was and uninformed I was thus testifying to Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd to NOT follow after that movement nor served that movement in seeking the glory of that "spirit" in that movement.
That is what it means to be a disciple of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, because the role of the Holy Spirit is to testify of the Son ( John 15:26 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 ) and He does that thru us ( John 15:27 ) whereas the spirits of the antichrist would lead us to speak of them to glorify them... that is what an antichrist does ( instead of the Christ or instead of the Son Whom is the Christ )
I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for being my Good Shepherd because I did not connect the warning from Him with that apostasy in Missouri at all till after the vacation. Granted, He led me away from it to not serve it nor follow after it in seeking the glory of that "holy laughter movement", but WOW... He sure intervened to help me not do that and I did not realized it till afterwards.
Thank you Jesus for helping me to live as your disciple by testifying of only You in seeking Your glory. I know that is what the Holy Spirit has been sent to do in leading me to do and how by your guidance, I can see those spirits stealing the spotlight from You is not the real Holy Spirit at all.
Then I was confronted by the holy laughter movement at my aunt's church. They showed a tape of the service a week prior where a guest speaker was trying to give a sermon on the tragedy of Samson & Delilah when he was being interrupted repeatedly by giggles and short bursts of laughter that led others in the congregation to do the same until he just led everybody to just go with it saying, "I don't know what the Holy Spirit is doing but let us all come forward..."while laughing and everybody did in the tape. They came forward, fell down and laughed uncontrollably.
After showing the tape, the pastor in the service has several young people testify of this supernatural phenomenon that came over them and the pastor concluded with "I do not know what is going on with the Holy Spirit, but man must get out of the way and the Holy Spirit will come in". or something to that effect which is like new age mentality if you consider it with His help.
Anyway.... people had come forward and some fell but only one woman was laughing uncontrollably at that service as I wondered what this was all about. Then I felt a hand pushing me to go forward and I look backed and saw no one behind me that was doing that. So I ignored i and it happened 2 more times. Did God wanted me to go forward? And so I did. I asked the Lord to heal me of my deafness in my left ear and tinnitus in my right ear. They pushed me back by my forehead but nothing happened. Then I got up, mad, and marched out of there.
When I walked to my aunt's house a block away from the church, I opened my KJV Bible and saw the letter from David Wilkerson about the role of the Holy Spirit, and the Lord led me to discern that it was not the Holy Spirit happening in that church as that presence outside of me pushing me was indeed the spirit of the antichrist.
Another service and I stayed outside of the main assembly area and saw at one time from the doorway that one person did not want anyone pushing him back as his face was heavenward seeking to feel His presence and the guy in front waved his hand to brush the air to his face and that guy felt the air and fell backwards in embracing that "impression" as being from the Spirit. The two guys catching him were smirking with the guy that had waved that air towards his face.
It was after that vacation when I realize that was what the Lord was warning me about. That was how unaware I was and uninformed I was thus testifying to Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd to NOT follow after that movement nor served that movement in seeking the glory of that "spirit" in that movement.
That is what it means to be a disciple of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, because the role of the Holy Spirit is to testify of the Son ( John 15:26 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 ) and He does that thru us ( John 15:27 ) whereas the spirits of the antichrist would lead us to speak of them to glorify them... that is what an antichrist does ( instead of the Christ or instead of the Son Whom is the Christ )
I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for being my Good Shepherd because I did not connect the warning from Him with that apostasy in Missouri at all till after the vacation. Granted, He led me away from it to not serve it nor follow after it in seeking the glory of that "holy laughter movement", but WOW... He sure intervened to help me not do that and I did not realized it till afterwards.
Thank you Jesus for helping me to live as your disciple by testifying of only You in seeking Your glory. I know that is what the Holy Spirit has been sent to do in leading me to do and how by your guidance, I can see those spirits stealing the spotlight from You is not the real Holy Spirit at all.
You would have a much better chance of trying to get me to believe that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation than to try to tell me that speaking in tongues to our loving Father is not for us Christians today.
Whenever we try to interpret the scriptures with our natural human reasoning - we come up with a dozen different ways to eliminate the supernatural working of God.
It's the same principle as in an atheist trying to tell me that Christ doesn't exist. Too late - I know Him.
1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
1 Corinthians 14:39 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.
Whenever we try to interpret the scriptures with our natural human reasoning - we come up with a dozen different ways to eliminate the supernatural working of God.
It's the same principle as in an atheist trying to tell me that Christ doesn't exist. Too late - I know Him.
1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
1 Corinthians 14:39 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.