The Covenant of Grace.

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Locutus

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How come the new covenant get renamed the covenant of grace?
 
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Ariel82

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How come the new covenant get renamed the covenant of grace?
It has always been the covenant of grace. It was only called the New Covenant at the eve of the death of the old covenant.
 
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Jeremiah 31v33 and Hebrews 8

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
 

Locutus

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So we could equally call it the "written in our hearts" covenant

Jer 31:31 (NASB) “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,


Jer 31:32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD.


Jer 31:33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Or a "not like the covenant" covenant.

Or a "shall be my people" covenant.


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How could we not talk about the new testament, and indeed the Old when referring to God's grace?
Well, you need to define the Covenant of Grace for me. It's a term I haven't heard before.
 

phil36

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Well, you need to define the Covenant of Grace for me. It's a term I haven't heard before.

Covenant = An arrangement made by God alone..Man either accepts or rejects.

Grace = Undeserved favour. God gives his grace/favour to sinners, who deserve the opposite.
 
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Covenant = An arrangement made by God alone..Man either accepts or rejects.

Grace = Undeserved favour. God gives his grace/favour to sinners, who deserve the opposite.
Okay, going back to your original post, you have already (kindly) answered your first question. As for the second, I would say the Lord has given his grace to mankind from the very beginning of creation.
 
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Grace is a Being, our Saviour...

this is what we, who are called by Him, only hope and pray to aspire to...
 

Locutus

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So "Our Saviour Covenant" - we'll get it right sooooooon.

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joaniemarie

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And yet even the law was given by grace, and did not nullify the covenant with Abraham as Paul goes to great lengths to show. We can see the covenant of grace dispensed in two different ways.. one in the siniatic covenant (Moses), and 2nd under the better new covenant through Christ.

Abraham believed the promises of God and it was counted to him as righteousness... We believe the promises of God in Christ and it is counted to us as Righteousness. One covenant of Grace, dispensed in two different ways. one forshadowed the Better.


Some things to consider. The Holy Spirit didn't indwell every believer in the OT times but He came upon and left them.

We are in a different kind of covenant at this particular time in the world. Yes, grace has always been there but then the law came and man preferred and chose to be working on his own life and God gave man the LAW and man failed and died. Then Jesus came and brought in grace and truth in place of what Mosses brought.

Even if we don't have all the answers to how law and grace works today., we need to consider how in this time in the world, we have the Holy Spirit as a seal and a promise. Unlike any other time and covenant before. We live in exciting times.
 
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phil36

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Some things to consider. The Holy Spirit didn't indwell every believer in the OT times but He came upon and left them.

We are in a different kind of covenant at this particular time in the world. Yes, grace has always been there but then the law came and man preferred and chose to be working on his own life and God gave man the LAW and man failed and died. Then Jesus came and brought in grace and truth in place of what Mosses brought.

Even if we don't have all the answers to how law and grace works today., we need to consider how in this time in the world, we have the Holy Spirit as a seal and a promise. Unlike any other time and covenant before. We live in exciting times.

Hi Jeaniemarie

Good consideration points.

One I like to remind myself of, is that, Abraham was counted righteous, By grace alone, through Faith alone and in Christ alone, and not by works of the law.. That covenant of grace still stands. Amazing grace as they say.
 

joaniemarie

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Hi Jeaniemarie

Good consideration points.

One I like to remind myself of, is that, Abraham was counted righteous, By grace alone, through Faith alone and in Christ alone, and not by works of the law.. That covenant of grace still stands. Amazing grace as they say.


Right Phil., Abraham by grace alone through faith alone. But how does that speak to us today in this new covenant? Abraham didn't have the Holy Spirit as a promise to him although Abraham must have had the Spirit of God on him.

So what are we to do today as Christians? That is the question I ask myself and then God. How are You working today Father? Why did Jesus send us the Holy Spirit and not all those in Abraham's time?
What is His ministry to us today in this covenant Father?

Why did Jesus tell us in the Bible the Holy Spirit would come and teach us all things and what does that mean when it comes to the gifts of the "Spirit" ? As well as the other things having to do with the Holy Spirit? I believe each of us have to ask that question personally and find out those answers so we can walk accordingly in the Spirit.


 

phil36

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Hi Jeanemarie,

Good points. Abraham had the same Faith that we have. He believed God's promises and in His goodness and mercy. Obviously Abraham didn't know what God's ultimate plan of redemption was, but he was like us, saved by Faith alone in Christ as all the OT saints were. We also believe the promises of God, and have Faith in Him. We see the very hints of the Gospel in Genesis 3:15:

And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

Compare Romans 16:20:

The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.


God unfolds His redemptive plan progressively in Scripture, small startings from Adam and Eve, to the Family of Noah, to the family of Abraham which grows into a nation. In the nation God dispenses his Covenant of grace by giving the Siniatic covenant (Covenant to Moses), even here salvation is by grace through Faith, the law points to the redeemer, the laws are types and shadows of the greater and better to come.

The greater and better to come was Jesus Himself, He fulfilled all the requirements of the law, and by living, dying and being resurrected secured for us in the better covenant (that is the siniatic) Salvation that will not perish, salvation that no longer requires the types and shadows, for he is the ultimate paschal lamb. This was already foretold in the OT.

The Holy Spirit now operates in believers, and in this we have our union in Christ so that we can be deemed Holy in the life and work of the paschal lamb.

You are right we live by the Holy Spirit in this New covenant, as the OT Saints lived by the letter of the law. These two covenants, are both by grace, and all saints whether in the Old or New are redeemed by grace alone, through Faith and in Christ. The covenant of grace was long before the law, we see it in Gen 3:15 and more clearly in the Abraham narrative, and now fully in Christ.

And the question still remains, why did God plan redemptive history the way he did? Well, I don't know, all I can say is God is Sovereign, He rolled out redemption progressively, culminating in Jesus and the Earth and heaven's. From Creation to re-creation.

How we live by the Spirit is obeying God's word.