The Lie of the Prosperity Gospel

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Denadii said:
You are really funny my friend. You hate those who believe the gospel.
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There is only one gospel. So why are you not heeding Paul's words to disregard the calling of the Prosperity Gospel which is nothing short but preaching another gospel?

Galatians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.[SUP]9 [/SUP]As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Has anybody been saved by preaching the prosperity gospel? No. It is about hoping in gaining riches & treasures in this life.

Yet you whine when somebody says something that you disagree with. Do you know what they call that?
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How convenient when they give in hope and faith but when they do not receive, then you say that they must not really believed God. Did they not show their faith that by giving to the ministry that God will multiply by their work of giving?

So believers have plenty to whine about when you judge others.. even if someone gave everything they had but because they did not get what was promoted by the scripture, you say that they did not really believed God. That is insulting on so many levels that you have provoked a lot of whining, brother, because we do not want anyone to get conned nor provoked by you.

I call this defending the faith in Jesus Christ because there is no other calling for saved believers to heed other than an instruction to not desire to be rich but to be content with what you have and be thankful.
 
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stonesoffire said:
No, I'm not. I know of ministers that say things like send if 50 dollars and get 50 blessings. Not talking about those shysters preacher. But prosperity is in the atonement.

Look at Abraham. Very wealthy man. I am not espousing that all will have great wealth, but we will have our needs met and even more from the abundant life. He became poor that we may be rich.

Isn't scripture? Will check...while you prepare your battle words. LOL Friends I hope will come from this, not enemies.
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Stones, wish you a blessed day! Ifyou look around in the world and seeing suffering christians from sickness and persecution and poorness (material). Are they suffering because of lack on faith?
Prosperity gospel is a lie. Yes we are rich (not material) because we belongto the creator of this world. And we are to inherit ofour father. Not yet and here! But when we are in the eternity. Prosper gospel pomisses wealth an health here, without can hold this promiss.
 
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Enow said:


You are not listening to what I am saying if you are applying James's words of faith without works is dead to be applied towards salvation... which proves you are not listening to what James is saying either.
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Never said a person is saved by their works. Never said faith was required to be saved either. I said a person is saved by the LORD.

Since faith come by hearing by the word of God then as far as the not listening to James comment, You got me...have you read 1 Thess 2:13;

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

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Applying how a person is saved and when he is saved towards "being doers of the word and not hearers only" for salvation would mean you are not saved yet, right, because you still have to be doers of the word. So think again.
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I don't question if a person is saved or not. Period.

It is written that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, then can a person be saved if they don't believe in the word of God?

"... for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Heb 11:6

So is diligently seeking him work or faith? If you had faith why would you have to believe that he is, since faith is the substance of thing(s) hoped for; evidence of thing(s) not seen.
 
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Muzungu256 said:
prosperity gospel is false............ but i sure could use some of that pro$p€rity..........
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Show me a person with faith in the gospel who isn't better off than they were before they received the gift of faith? And whose life isn't getting better with faith in the LORD?
 
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Stones, wish you a blessed day! Ifyou look around in the world and seeing suffering christians from sickness and persecution and poorness (material). Are they suffering because of lack on faith?
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I don't know what the reason would be behind every persons illness Wolf. That would have to be revealed by the Lord. And I don't know if that is wise to ask. Wouldn't it be better to just believe that God heals just as Jesus showed us when He was here? And we hear of healings all the time. I've been healed, and I've been in waiting for healing too.

Thanks for the blessings. I wish you well too.

Prosperity gospel is a lie. Yes we are rich (not material) because we belongto the creator of this world. And we are to inherit ofour father. Not yet and here! But when we are in the eternity. Prosper gospel pomisses wealth an health here, without can hold this promiss.
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I think it can be misinterpreted as a get rich thing by those whose hearts aren't right, but it is mentioned in Isaiah 53. I see it as having our needs met and above at times. Is the Lord lifted in our life if we are suffering, poor, and on welfare?
 
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stonesoffire said:
I don't know what the reason would be behind every persons illness Wolf. That would have to be revealed by the Lord. And I don't know if that is wise to ask. Wouldn't it be better to just believe that God heals just as Jesus showed us when He was here? And we hear of healings all the time. I've been healed, and I've been in waiting for healing too.

Thanks for the blessings. I wish you well too.



I think it can be misinterpreted as a get rich thing by those whose hearts aren't right, but it is mentioned in Isaiah 53. I see it as having our needs met and above at times. Is the Lord lifted in our life if we are suffering, poor, and on welfare?
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Stones, some reasons I believe this teaching is wrong.
1. It was neither taught in the NT churches and not in the churchhistory, till it began with the charismatic movements in the 20th century.
2. The reality shows it is not True.
3. Jesus healing and miracles ministrie was for a special purpose. To proof that he is the Messajah.
4. We cant expect the OT promises for the folk of Israel for teaching church today: obiedience- prosper and blessings, and disobedience- curse.
5. We can find people which have nothing to do with God living a prosper and healthy life.
6. Prosper and health have nothing to do with faith ore sin.

In my eyes this doctrine deceives the believer and Focus the view on their poorness and sicknesses and to become free from this, instead to trust the Lord in their situations.
It makes wrong promises and bring the people to trust the preacher more then the word of God.
 
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wolfwint said:
Stones, some reasons I believe this teaching is wrong.
1. It was neither taught in the NT churches and not in the churchhistory, till it began with the charismatic movements in the 20th century.
2. The reality shows it is not True.
3. Jesus healing and miracles ministrie was for a special purpose. To proof that he is the Messajah.
4. We cant expect the OT promises for the folk of Israel for teaching church today: obiedience- prosper and blessings, and disobedience- curse.
5. We can find people which have nothing to do with God living a prosper and healthy life.
6. Prosper and health have nothing to do with faith ore sin.

In my eyes this doctrine deceives the believer and Focus the view on their poorness and sicknesses and to become free from this, instead to trust the Lord in their situations.
It makes wrong promises and bring the people to trust the preacher more then the word of God.
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It is ironic that this is being overlooked but the preacher nor the church leads by example when preaching this prosperity gospel. Not one takes what the pastor has or what the church has and give it to the poor in applying that faith that God will multiply what they have given.

It is always one way.... for how that prosperity gospel goes to for gain and it is FOR those that preach it.

Sure would like someone to go into that scene where someone is promoting the prosperity gospel on television or in their church and preach it back to them saying, I am poor and homeless... give everything you have to me and the Lord will bless your ministry where you will not need to preach the prosperity gospel any more. How quick will they respond? More than likely, they will kick the poor homeless guy out.
 
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In the church that I have attended for the last 14 years, I have never heard a message on tithing or giving.

In the bulletin, on the back page, there is one line with Amount budgeted Amount received. In all that time the amount received has never been under the amount budgeted by more than $100; and the amount received is almost always considerably more than the amount budgeted. I think that this demonstrates that the Holy Spirit speaking to believers hearts is more effective than stewardship messages.
 
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In the church that I have attended for the last 14 years, I have never heard a message on tithing or giving.

In the bulletin, on the back page, there is one line with Amount budgeted Amount received. In all that time the amount received has never been under the amount budgeted by more than $100; and the amount received is almost always considerably more than the amount budgeted. I think that this demonstrates that the Holy Spirit speaking to believers hearts is more effective than stewardship messages.
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Especially when it is God that ministers as He would provide for the church exactly what He needs to minister to and through that church. That is what I believe Paul was trying to say about God's unspeakable gift in 2 Corinthians 9th chapter.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+9&version=KJV
 
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maybe if people would stop trying to SELL the gospel and give it out...freely you have been given, freely receive, God would bless and they would not be on street corners selling pencils

this does not reflect on those called by God to minister and who are serving God and not the $$$

the workman is worthy of his hire. people flogging the gospel and running around 'anointing' people and prophesying things over them that never come true are hirelings
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
maybe if people would stop trying to SELL the gospel and give it out...freely you have been given, freely receive, God would bless and they would not be on street corners selling pencils

this does not reflect on those called by God to minister and who are serving God and not the $$$

the workman is worthy of his hire. people flogging the gospel and running around 'anointing' people and prophesying things over them that never come true are hirelings
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Thank you for sharing.

John 10:[SUP]11 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. [SUP]13 [/SUP]The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. [SUP]3[/SUP]And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
 
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