Popeless Catholics

[AllenW]

I'm pretty sure the majority of Catholic Doctrine is grossly Unbiblical

Careful, someone may think that's a subjective thought.

 

[phil36]

And what do you propose I do?
Track you down to see if I am first of all talking to a real person.
Can you be serious in anything you say, or do you think you are serious, or is that "subjective" of me to ask?

Hi AllenW,

So far all I have seen from your posts is:

Argumentum ad Hominem

 

[AllenW]

Hi Franc,

I agree there is a great deal of nonsense on the internet regarding religion and faith. I have to disagree with you tenet. In fact there is a great deal of excellent resources for the Christian believer online. If you want to believe what any denomination or Independent church believes, just got to their website and read their statement of belief, you can check it against scripture yourself. Going to the sources will tell you what is the official belief of each denomination.

Since you say you know RC theology, I am sure you have read the articles from the council of Trent, Vatican I and Vatican II? And what protestant theology have you studied? Sources would be good then we could all check for factuality.

Theres nothing wrong with opinions as long as they are based on truth! And yes I would agree not every system of theology is perfect.

I am in one of the denominations above, and I find AllenW's subjective opinion not factual. Just for instance, what do you thing John Knox would say about Allens post? (thats a hint)

Why don't you pinpoint what your problem is with me instead of these generalizations.
If I somehow attacked your beliefs, say so instead of attacking me.

 

[Magenta]

When Martin Luther composed his ninety five theses against the Roman Catholic church, he was protesting indulgences and other abuses of the church that he saw as egregious errors that strayed from what Christianity and the Bible truly taught in terms of/regards to justification and salvation. He was not protesting the Liturgy. The Liturgy as practiced by Roman Catholics is still largely followed by some of the Protestant denominations, such as Lutherans and Anglicans etc.

 

[AllenW]

Warning: Phil and I are reformed.

Would you like the early church history?

Here are the books I recommend: The Early Church Fathers



(Reformed. Tend to be into very long dissertations on everything. lol)

Warning; I am unreformed!

 

[AllenW]

Hi AllenW,

So far all I have seen from your posts is:

Argumentum ad Hominem

And if you don't speak english, then all I hear from you are the usual anti_Christian insults

 

[jerry2465]

drop the internet searching
drop the customs and traditions
drop all the twisted fancy words
read the bible for how the early church operated
find a church that worships and operates as the first century church did
mission accomplished


There was only 1 church in the beginning. With mans wisdom, we now believe there to be many many churches (denominations). I'm sure there are many who go into buildings every week where people talk about God and pray and teach, but if they are not following the order that God instituted in the bible then they are not the church and will likely hear the words of Jesus in the end say:

[h=1]Matthew 7:21-23English Standard Version (ESV)[/h] [SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

 

[AllenW]

When Martin Luther composed his ninety five theses against the Roman Catholic church, he was protesting indulgences and other abuses of the church that he saw as egregious errors that strayed from what Christianity and the Bible truly taught in terms of/regards to justification and salvation. He was not protesting the Liturgy. The Liturgy as practiced by Roman Catholics is still largely followed by some of the Protestant denominations, such as Lutherans and Anglicans etc.

Thank you.
This is the type of information I was looking for.
You are very kind.

 

[phil36]

drop the internet searching
drop the customs and traditions
drop all the twisted fancy words
read the bible for how the early church operated
find a church that worships and operates as the first century church did
mission accomplished


There was only 1 church in the beginning. With mans wisdom, we now believe there to be many many churches (denominations). I'm sure there are many who go into buildings every week where people talk about God and pray and teach, but if they are not following the order that God instituted in the bible then they are not the church and will likely hear the words of Jesus in the end say:

Matthew 7:21-23English Standard Version (ESV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Hi Jerry,

There is only one church. No one when referring to denominations is saying any different.

 

[Magenta]

Thank you.
This is the type of information I was looking for.
You are very kind.

You are welcome. You are very kind, also!

The question you asked was exactly the sort of thing that used to puzzle me

 

[jerry2465]

Hi Jerry,

There is only one church. No one when referring to denominations is saying any different.

yes denominations can follow the bible as their only guide. If all denominations followed the bible as their only source of study then there would only be the church and denominations wouldn't exist at all. There are differences between each denomination or there would be no division in the first place. All I am really saying is to simply follow scripture and any congregation that don't simply go to another.

 

[Depleted]

Hi depleted,
Not sure. But I think the OP means that the exterior trappings look Catholic, but maybe
They're different in beliefs?

Fran

Being raised Catholic, all I see is exterior trappings are drastically different than what I was raised in. (60 years later, and I still get a kick there is no kneelers in the churches I've gone too. Foot room! Cool! lol)

 

[Depleted]

And thank you for telling me and others nothing worth hearing.

So, I really did hit where you want this. This is a thread about absolutely nothing.

Good guesser.

 

[Depleted]

So you represent the Presbyterian church?
What didn't you just say so?
You certainly are a mystery.

10,000+ post in 13 months. Why would you assume I haven't?

You are cocky, aren't you? Warning. I can out sarcastic the best of them.

 

[Depleted]

Why don't you pinpoint what your problem is with me instead of these generalizations.
If I somehow attacked your beliefs, say so instead of attacking me.

I did tell you the problem I'm having with you, and I got the attack too. You are quite the subjective game player, aren't you?

 

[Depleted]

Warning; I am unreformed!

Not a problem. You're not into simply going to Google to gather info, so there is no way I'd think you'd be up to reading a full book, once more a 38-book series.

 

[Bladerunner]

When Martin Luther composed his ninety five theses against the Roman Catholic church, he was protesting indulgences and other abuses of the church that he saw as egregious errors that strayed from what Christianity and the Bible truly taught in terms of/regards to justification and salvation. He was not protesting the Liturgy. The Liturgy as practiced by Roman Catholics is still largely followed by some of the Protestant denominations, such as Lutherans and Anglicans etc.

Hey Magenta.....I agree with you. Note: to support your theory, Luther and Calvin did not want to leave the Catholic Church but rather wanted to reform within... However, Pope Paul III threw them out of the Church. He would have killed them but could not find them at that time.

 

[Depleted]

Thank you.
This is the type of information I was looking for.
You are very kind.

Too bad. It wasn't accurate.

 

[tourist]

So seriously? I could only spend an hour or two telling you what I know, but given you seem stuck on buildings, bells and candles as proof protestants are the same as Catholics, I'm lost what you want. And, I can think of better ways to spend my time.

Maybe you could light a candle for him.

 

[AllenW]

10,000+ post in 13 months. Why would you assume I haven't?

You are cocky, aren't you? Warning. I can out sarcastic the best of them.

I believe it.
It shows with your personality.