The up coming Gay revival what should we do ?

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If the church chooses a radical new inclusion for gays what should it be.

  • They have there own sect (church) so we dont have to change our rules for them

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • we should allow gay marriage in our church.

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • we should allow gays into our churches but not gay marriage and give them there own church. call it

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • we should just carry on as we our and do nothing

    Votes: 10 58.8%

  • Total voters
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So is wearing clothing woven from two different types of threads.
****the moral law of God which Jesus said He did not come to do away with but fulfill---is different from the ceremonial law which is not part of Christian practice (Matthew 5:17)
 

Blain

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I don't see a need for a special sect for the gays if they want to claim the title Christian then they have to understand that God has specifically forbid sleeping with another man and I don't look down on the gays but I do not approve of gay marriage and if i am called the worst of things because of it then so be it.
 
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mariner845

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We are called to be the salt of the earth, what good is salt once its lost its saltiness? What good is a christian sect if they do not preach against the things God has called abominations?

When the Israelis were captured by the Assyrians, King Nebuchadnezzar picked a select group of young men to be trained in his palace in the culture of the Assyrians.

Of all the young men taken into King Nebuchadnezzar's house, we only hear about four. Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. These four men, despite being threatened, refused the kings meat and wine because it was against Gods law for them. Instead they ate beans and water and God sustained them for their faithfulness and they grew bigger and stronger then the young men who ate the kings unclean food and drink.

Some time later King Nebuchadnezzar required every man to bow down a giant golden image. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego present when the king commanded this, refused the Kings demand because it was against Gods law. As a result the king sentenced them to death in a fiery furnace. Yet because of their faithfulness God kept them in the fire and they were not consumed by it.

In the next chapter Daniel refused the kings order not to pray to their God. As punishment Daniel was sentenced to a night in the lions den. Again God kept his people for their faithfulness and Daniel was unharmed the next morning.

The lesson we learn here is that when the laws of God conflict with the decrees of men, we should follow the laws of our God. He will provide for His people who faithfully follow Him despite being in the face of real threats. The law of God is clear, homosexuality is an abomination. A church that openly welcomes it as acceptable and says it is not a sin is a church that goes against Gods own word. As for me i will serve Gods law and not a church that tries to change Gods law.
 

chickenkiller

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****the moral law of God which Jesus said He did not come to do away with but fulfill---is different from the ceremonial law which is not part of Christian practice (Matthew 5:17)
I agree, we must judge all sin the same.
 

presidente

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The poll is a bad one. There aren't enough options. There should be options about reaching homosexuals for Christ.

What is meant by 'gay revival'? If it means a revival of homosexuality, when was 'gay' a movement before the past few decades? If you mean 'revival' in the sense of a spiritual awakening the way Christians use it, repentance should be a part of a genuine revival. So forcing accepting the LGBT agenda is not a 'revival' in this sense.
 

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I'm currently working in a United Methodist Church here in the US, and they are considering inclusion of homosexuals as clergy and having gay "marriage." If it comes to that, I leave the church, unequivocally.

The gov't can't force you to stay in an apostate church. As sad as it would be, I would simply leave the church, start a home group or find another church that doesn't allow gay "marriage" or gay clergy.
 

Blain

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If i recall there was a pastor who was asked by two men to marry them I think it was in a state where gay marriage is legal, the pastor refused and was sued by the couple for a butt load of money but he remained firm in his refusal to marry them. If it becomes legal in all states somehow every pastor will have to make choice some will stand others will fall
 
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Dear OP, none of these answers are Christian and instead are options the world is forcing Christians to accept or that some so-called "Christians" want Christians to accept. They are caving into the radical homosexual agenda which will be further propagated through the air waves on February 27 on ABC. Pray against this miniseries, that it would fail, and instead people would come to Jesus Christ and accept Him as their personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for their sins, and rose again on the third day. That their identity would be in Christ and not themselves. Be ready everyday to be persecuted for your faith in Jesus Christ because it is happening, has happened, and will always happen until Jesus comes back to this earth at his second coming. Love the sinner and hate the sin. God bless. :)
 
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Homosexuality is wrong,and what are we supposed to do have a sect for the thieves,and a sect for the adulterers,and a sect for the greedy for money,and a sect for the lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God,and a sect for the brawlers,scrappers,and physical abusers,and a sect for the drunkards and druggies,and a sect for the all purpose hypocrites in general.

Sin is sin,and God demands all nations to repent of their sins,to find forgiveness,so if God cannot tolerate any sin,why would He tolerate homosexuality,which is indeed a very bad sin.

There is a reason for the uprise of homosexuality,for it is the end time,and is prophetic.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns the saints that at the latter times,which is the last days of the last days,that there will be a false interpretation of the Bible,based on the occult,nature worship,and witchcraft,that will come to power,and unify the religions,with also a false interpretation of Islam,and Judaism,and they will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction on precious mother earth,and command to abstain from meats for they are nature worshippers.

When they unify the religions it will be based on spiritual evolution by the harnessing of nature for power,and all religions will be valid,and a path to spiritual enlightenment,to each his own,whatever practice they want to engage in for spiritual evolution,and will be the time they will not want to hear the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts,and will be turned unto fables that the movement that unified the religions,and their interpretation of reality,and the evolving of people,put forth.

Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft(witchcraft)to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The man of sin,the beast of Revelation 13,will be of the movement that unified the religions,and will not honor the God of his fathers,nor regard any god,but in his estate shall honor the God of forces,or the evolutionary process,the power of nature,which he convinces the world he harnessed the power of nature and achieved power,and he will not have any desire of women,which he adheres to the worldwide policy that a man and a woman should not come together for sexual contact for population reduction,and his agenda does not involve being married,for he is only interested in controlling the world.

Homosexuality will rise big time,and will soon be a worldwide law that a man and a woman cannot come together in a sexual encounter,so they can only be homosexual if they want human contact for sex.

The homosexuals should not have their own sect,and be able to call themselves Christians,for it is wrong,as all sin is wrong,but this is what I do not get is that there is some people that are against homosexuality that says sin does not affect our relationship with God if we confess Christ,so why are they crying about the homosexuals,which sin does affect our relationship with God.
 

Dino246

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It should be allowed. If two people love each other enough to get married they should be allowed to do it in their church of choice. All this hatred towards homosexuals is just driving good people away from the word of god.
By this logic, if someone wants your television, he should be able to walk into your house and take it. I trust you'll let him and not raise a finger to stop him?

Churches have standards and statements of faith for good reason: because there are such things as absolutes. When people want to walk in off the street and do their own thing, they are not wanting anything to do with the church other than to push it aside. Mutual affection is not the biblical standard for marriage; one man and one woman is.
 

OneFaith

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Thats the same as saying "Let's open up a new church for murderers and child molesters- you know, so as not to discriminate against them." Anyone who thinks such thoughts is thinking of money not of souls!

What an abomination!
 
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chickenkiller

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By this logic, if someone wants your television, he should be able to walk into your house and take it. I trust you'll let him and not raise a finger to stop him?

Churches have standards and statements of faith for good reason: because there are such things as absolutes. When people want to walk in off the street and do their own thing, they are not wanting anything to do with the church other than to push it aside. Mutual affection is not the biblical standard for marriage; one man and one woman is.
Ill be the first to admit when I am wrong. I do see your point. I really do not think churches should be forced to perform gay marriage. On this same point I have always wondered why a couple would want to force a minister/church to perform the ceremony. It doesn't make sense when there are so many other options. I mean just go to Vegas, they will hook ya up!
 

Blain

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Marriage was created as a sacred and beautiful thing in which two hearts deeply intertwined with agape love for each other become one heart mind body and soul no longer two different people but one. It was created for a man and a women and is a binding covenant of the hearts the vows that are spoken are as if they were written in stone, yet people these days get drunk and marry a stripper that very night and 70% of all marriages end up in divorce and then now you have two of the same sex wanting marriage.

no one seems to understand how sacred and precious marriage is
 
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Love the sinner hate the sin....I like that......bull hockey. Not in this case. These are people who promote a lifestyle which is unhealthy, unnatural, immoral. A danger to society. Just to name a few. Thanks to Obama for pushing the hate act if we disclose it as anti gay we go under the hate act and are deemed haters of the gay community.

Now if we were to show its impact on society in the negative well there's a case to be heard in court.
We know very well what God's word says.....so do they. They blatantly go against God's word. Not a legal issue Pilate vrs jesus.
We can never stop people from sinning any more than we can stop sin in our own lives. Be wise as serpents harmless as doves show proof of it being a danger to society .
 
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I think you are torn, and that is a good thing, because you don't want to judge them. At the same time how do you include them in your church. If a person is a murderer, they go to your church and accept Christ and change. Then they are saved, just as a thief. If a homosexual attends and the words speak to his heart, he repents and God baptises them, they are saved. If they are saved then they should be allowed to worship with you. There is the teaching of leavened and unleavened bread. For the church, let the reader understand.

Many say the words but their heart are far from God. Many ask God what can you do for me. Some preach that god wants you to have a new car, a job, a new house. I say ask not what God can do for you, rather ask what you can do for God?

If we claim to be saved, and I know for sure I was because the Holy Spirit fell upon me. You are instantly filled with love, peace and joy. Indescribable in the emotions of the body and human language. Note, this is in the body. How much greater will it be in person without the corruption of the flesh? Because I believed, and I confessed. and I gave my heart body and soul and laid in to the foot of the cross. Praise be to God. I was changed, when I received pruning it is because I wasn't growing. I had to lose and feel it, in order to gain. Once you been touched by God, you will want nothing more then to be in that perfect moment again. Because NOTHING in this world can make you feel like that again. Being in the presence of God through his spirit puts you in awe. It makes you whole.

Why am I saying this, because how many people sit next to you in church, even those reading these words and know deep down. All they want to do is put the check in the box, ok went to church. While at church the one day a week they are thinking, look at the dress she is wearing. Man, that guy is good looking, or girl. Or can't wait to get out of here game is on soon. I need to pickles and a roast, what else? Or thinking about their next encounter or rondevou. In other words, who's hearts are far from God.

The building where people meet, is a building, the church building that is of man. Its a building, the church that is of God is spirit. Man cannot corrupt it, nor can evil because man cannot control it, understand it, or see it. This the gates of hell cannot prevail against it. A person in Christ, is in LOVE with God. Will seek Him every second of everyday if possible. There thought are not about things of this world but about the amazing love and grace given us without worthiness. If then we know we are all sinners. If then we k ow Christ who said, love thy neighbor as yourself. How do we treat other people? With love, compassion and acceptance. For who Americans in us is worthy of Gods grace? Who among us shall say who is worthy and who isn't of salvation?

That being said, if the church of man, followed the rules of unleavened and Levened bread. Cleaned out those who would rather have story time, then seeking Gods will. Most churches finances would drop and doors would close because the financial income would be very little.

As far as me, If a person shows their sin in the light. Their sin is known to all. if they hide their sin in the dark their sin is still known to God. Also those who may gossip. So if I know I am unworthy of God, and still once in a while sin, even if just in thought. Yet strive valiantly to stay the course and seek His will above all. We're to judge my brother or sister for his or her sin. To the point of saying you are not worthy to "worship" in this house. Then that measurement would be held against me by God for my sins.

So in summary I leave you with this thought. If it is written Christ will judge the living and the dead. Then what moral high ground will we stand upon and tell Christ in that day, well we didn't want to pray with an obvious sinner. Only those who hide it! I know what the Bible says about the church. About structure, leaders, about surrounding yourselves with those who are in Christ. To encourage one another to uphold one another. However, remember it is only by grace and His mercy we are saved. If we are not greater then our Master who has taught us this. Especially when they wanted to test him, and stone the adulteress. Then why do we think and act as though we know God well enough to say who is worthy to worship him along side us? Who is worthy of His mercy? They know what the Bible says, they know they are sinners. I am not saying to.bowdown to their sin and say it is not evil NO! I am just saying There is just no reason to throw it in their face. Now if they are disruptive and obvious they seek no change of heart or to serve God. Then they, like any non repentive sinner. May be asked to repent or leave untill they do. Just like many who are reading this now wouldn't want their most secret fantasies and thoughts be known to the person next to them in the pew. Or that they do good works to be seen and praised by men rather then doing it for God and His Glory. Or they too might be asked to leave. Yet they too know they are sinners. Therefore, judge them not by their sin, but by their fruits. If anyone is truly in Christ. You will know them by their fruits. Christ said He will separate the goats and the sheep, the chaff and the wheat. That's his job, not mine. However, you guys do what you think is best. After all who knows, someone might hear the gospel, be moved by your compassion and love and acceptance of them as a sinner, as Christ was compassionate and accepted you! They might repent and be saved. Wouldn't that be bad!!
 

Bookends

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Lot and his family didn't do a thing. They just let God handle it.
I wouldn't look to Lot as if he was a spiritual compass. His decision to take the lush and plentiful land of the Jordan Valley in my opinion was very selfish. Not only that, but be was willing to offer up his daughters to be raped and abused. What a good role model, huh?
 

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He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Revelation 22:11
 

Bookends

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The time is coming where those who will worship God will be meeting in secret and in small groups...

Yes I know it is taking place worldwide....but in the U.S. the gov will begin to force inclusion and only one way to deal with it...groups....small in number...in secret!
I strongly disagree (I would have preferred to use stronger language here). Christ has promised us "Abundant life" in Him. Jesus taught us to pray "Your will be done on Earth, as it is in Heaven", sounds like to me that God's will for our world is a better one, not one getting worse. If you look at history, the world has gotten progressively better and the church has grown to almost all parts of the Earth. Church growth is much like the stock market, it has it's ups and downs, but overtime it heads in the right direction.

I refuse to believe that it is God's will that we (the Church) go underground. Jesus said the gates of hades will not prevail against the Church, and the only reason why it seems to many that we are losing the battle is that the Christian mindset and the focus is off Christ. We are to be the beacon, the light on the hilltop, we are to let our light shine, not put a shade over it!!!
 

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I strongly disagree (I would have preferred to use stronger language here). Christ has promised us "Abundant life" in Him. Jesus taught us to pray "Your will be done on Earth, as it is in Heaven", sounds like to me that God's will for our world is a better one, not one getting worse. If you look at history, the world has gotten progressively better and the church has grown to almost all parts of the Earth. Church growth is much like the stock market, it has it's ups and downs, but overtime it heads in the right direction.

I refuse to believe that it is God's will that we (the Church) go underground. Jesus said the gates of hades will not prevail against the Church, and the only reason why it seems to many that we are losing the battle is that the Christian mindset and the focus is off Christ. We are to be the beacon, the light on the hilltop, we are to let our light shine, not put a shade over it!!!
Thats right God is not raising up a bunch of cowards, He did not tell us to put on the Whole Armor then hide, we are to fight the good fight of faith, not crawl into a hole and hide.
 
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None of the options are ones I would choose. It's horrifying to think that there are churches that don't allow people to worship there just because they are gay or lesbian, but I guess that's the reality for some. For Christians struggling with homosexuality (whether understanding if/why sex with individuals of the same sex is a sin, struggling with temptation or lust, or any struggle one would associate with homosexuality), one of the worst and most unloving things we as their brothers and sisters in Christ can do to them is claim that our struggles with sin are somehow less-sinful than theirs and deny them entry to Church. For nonbelievers who are gay or lesbian, if we bar them from the Church, who is going to show them Jesus?

We all struggle with sin and are all confused about some parts of the Bible. Sometimes members of the same congregation may disagree on certain issues. But that's one of the reasons why all of us, no matter what sins we struggle with, need to come together to worship the Lord and study His word. I think that, unless someone is being disruptive during the service or abusive towards other people at the Church, we shouldn't deny anyone entry to a Church.

As for whether or not pastor's should perform wedding ceremonies for same-sex couples, I think that's something individual pastors need to decide for themselves. If I were a pastor, I don't think I could do so with a clear conscience, but actual pastors may feel differently.

If some Christians who are homosexual want to form their own denomination, I don't think we should stop them. But neither should they have to worship somewhere else. I can understand why they might want to. I don't think straight people will never fully understand what it's like to struggle with homosexuality, so it would probably be beneficial for someone struggling with the issue to talk with someone else who's also going through what he/she is. Many Church-goers have directed a lot of hatred at homosexuals. Some Christians or people claiming to be Christians carry protest signs claiming God hates homosexuals. Others get physically aggressive towards gay people. Some even support trying to torture or rape gay people until they're straight. While God doesn't support those actions and many Christians are repulsed by them, as well, I can totally understand why some gay people might want to stay away from Church because they are afraid they'll be hurt by Christians. However, if some do form their own Church, it needs to be their own choice. The Church as a whole needs to be loving and accept all members of the body of Christ with open arms, not push them away.
Perhaps i should of icluded a couple more options. The bible states dont even fellowship with such people dont fellowship with the sexual immoral until they have repented and gave up there sins. God says there like filthy spots in your fellowship meals.

Meaning christ cant dwell in them untill they turn from there wicked ways.

I think you should ask the question how can you put pagons and christians in the same church you cant..

So i say let them have there own church but stay well away from ours until you have come to abide by our church rules.