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You mean God never speaks to you? I can get Bible verses if needed, but I recognize when God speaks to me, because it is foreign to my way of thinking and what I desire but is backed up with scripture.
I know it's God when I hear a voice that says to forgive when I would rather stay mad.
I know it's God when I am told to pray and Trust Him, when I would rather act, speak and make sure it's done RIGHT aka, my way.
I am stubborn and it takes God telling me over and over and over again, but I have learnt a few lessons God has sought to teach me. Lessons found in scriptures, but there is a difference between what is written in a page and what is written upon the heart.
So yes God gave me the message to guide my life and my attention to productive task He has for me and not what others would distract me with. It was done in many ways: dreams,scriptures and words of other believers and testified by the Holy Spirit in my heart.
I have also learnt that without love, "rebuking" folks just sounds like clanging cymbals.......let me clarify, without the person you are trying to rebuke recognizes the love you have for them, then your words are just meaningless noise.
But I doubt you will listen.
You mean God never speaks to you? I can get Bible verses if needed, but I recognize when God speaks to me, because it is foreign to my way of thinking and what I desire but is backed up with scripture.
I know it's God when I hear a voice that says to forgive when I would rather stay mad.
I know it's God when I am told to pray and Trust Him, when I would rather act, speak and make sure it's done RIGHT aka, my way.
I am stubborn and it takes God telling me over and over and over again, but I have learnt a few lessons God has sought to teach me. Lessons found in scriptures, but there is a difference between what is written in a page and what is written upon the heart.
So yes God gave me the message to guide my life and my attention to productive task He has for me and not what others would distract me with. It was done in many ways: dreams,scriptures and words of other believers and testified by the Holy Spirit in my heart.
I have also learnt that without love, "rebuking" folks just sounds like clanging cymbals.......let me clarify, without the person you are trying to rebuke recognizes the love you have for them, then your words are just meaningless noise.
But I doubt you will listen.
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My answer to you is, do you drink water everyday?
If I was to say you could stay alive without drinking water would I be sane or mad?
As people of the Kingdom, love is our life. The law is merely a verbalising of this.
If your heart does not walk in love, the law condemns.
So it has never been me condemning anybody, but the law which reminds them of their
sin and failure, which they need to go to Christ and work through. Nothing is simpler in
the Lord that this sister. If you drive a car cautiously and caringly, speed limits do not
effect you because you are already driving within them.
My answer to you is, do you drink water everyday?
If I was to say you could stay alive without drinking water would I be sane or mad?
As people of the Kingdom, love is our life. The law is merely a verbalising of this.
If your heart does not walk in love, the law condemns.
So it has never been me condemning anybody, but the law which reminds them of their
sin and failure, which they need to go to Christ and work through. Nothing is simpler in
the Lord that this sister. If you drive a car cautiously and caringly, speed limits do not
effect you because you are already driving within them.
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Theologically I have a problem with the last step.
To acknowledge Christ as the son of God is a step of real faith and grace.
And it only comes by the Holy Spirit and being born from above.
Now there is as many will testify continuous in filling and emotional highs
and anointing through our lives with Christ.
For the apostles it appears a singular event that happened. For many believers
this is not true. So I would argue the Holy Spirit enters someones life at new birth
but is manifested at different times to seal and encourage steps of faith as they happen.
Now for some, openning up their hearts and emotions to Christ fully is sometimes the first
real experience in life and the Spirit they have ever had, and he Lord blesses this.
But it does not make it into the baptism in the Holy Spirit, or they were not real christians
before and now they are after, because that leads to judgmentalism and a culture of the outward
being more significant than the true inward walk with Christ, which is everything in the Lord.
Theologically I have a problem with the last step.
To acknowledge Christ as the son of God is a step of real faith and grace.
And it only comes by the Holy Spirit and being born from above.
Now there is as many will testify continuous in filling and emotional highs
and anointing through our lives with Christ.
For the apostles it appears a singular event that happened. For many believers
this is not true. So I would argue the Holy Spirit enters someones life at new birth
but is manifested at different times to seal and encourage steps of faith as they happen.
Now for some, openning up their hearts and emotions to Christ fully is sometimes the first
real experience in life and the Spirit they have ever had, and he Lord blesses this.
But it does not make it into the baptism in the Holy Spirit, or they were not real christians
before and now they are after, because that leads to judgmentalism and a culture of the outward
being more significant than the true inward walk with Christ, which is everything in the Lord.
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I'm not saying that the Holy Spirit is electricity exactly. When Christ was here He tried to give us analogies based on what they understood at the time. Today we know more and can further our understanding. What they labelled as "spirit" can be better defined today because we have technology and instruments that can measure certain signals and vibrations that resonate within the body and brain. Zoe is life. This life is the interactive resonance that transmits from living organisms. We send and receive signals by our energy vibrations. People are trying to understand how to be good Christians by behaviour. It's not by behaviour, it's by emotion that effects behaviour. It's not the action, it's what makes us do the action. If you want to hear from God and for Him to hear you then it is by tuning into the frequency. It's not hard to understand, it's hard to accept because of everything else that we learned. The Spirit is made manifest in you because you act as a receiver of the power. Christ couldn't heal some people because of their faith. As a man he acted as a catalyst for the Holy Spirit. I gotta go for now. God is Supreme and resonates a frequency, that frequency transmits information just like a wifi signal transmits information. You have to tune into that frequency which is done by adjusting our tuners emotionally. Clear as mud?
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Holy Spirit is more than energy. I do understand that His touch can be like electricity. I've experienced this. But, He is a He...
Why study new age? Walk in the Spirit which is what we are now...if we are baptized by Jesus or overwhelmed within and without..with His presence.
Anointed and flowing in His grace. That's what we need to learn.
Holy Spirit is more than energy. I do understand that His touch can be like electricity. I've experienced this. But, He is a He...
Why study new age? Walk in the Spirit which is what we are now...if we are baptized by Jesus or overwhelmed within and without..with His presence.
Anointed and flowing in His grace. That's what we need to learn.
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The indwelling of the Spirit happens when you commit your life totally to God and ask Jesus to be your Savior, and I think it should be done in public. According to the bible this is also the time you are baptized in the Spirit, also no NT writer ever told a born again Christian to seek a baptism in the Spirit. However if you all want to be good Pentecostals then disregard the bible and teach a baptism of the Spirit after the baptism of the Spirit at salvation. After all Pentecostalism is more important then the word of God...right?
The indwelling of the Spirit happens when you commit your life totally to God and ask Jesus to be your Savior, and I think it should be done in public. According to the bible this is also the time you are baptized in the Spirit, also no NT writer ever told a born again Christian to seek a baptism in the Spirit. However if you all want to be good Pentecostals then disregard the bible and teach a baptism of the Spirit after the baptism of the Spirit at salvation. After all Pentecostalism is more important then the word of God...right?
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Too much to respond to in one comment, so I will focus on this one.........
Important to clarify what you mean by "Holy Spirit baptist."
IF: You are speaking of receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit into one's heart/life.......YES and NO.
It IS POSSIBLE for a new believer to receive the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit AT THE TIME of salvation. This occurs when Sanctified Believers (those who already have received the indwelling presence) gather around the new believer and lay hands on them and pray over them.
Other than Pentecost, this is how Scriptrue tells us folks receive the indwelling presence. So, it IS POSSIBLE. Now, many folks come to the point of repentance and salvation apart from others. They could be all alone in the desert, walking along a beach, climbing a mountain, in a Hospital bed........whatever..........While they have repented, confessed their need for God's saving grace, and accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, AND ARE SAVED, they are not Sanctified. So, again, regarding your assertion...........
YES and NO
Too much to respond to in one comment, so I will focus on this one.........
Important to clarify what you mean by "Holy Spirit baptist."
IF: You are speaking of receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit into one's heart/life.......YES and NO.
It IS POSSIBLE for a new believer to receive the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit AT THE TIME of salvation. This occurs when Sanctified Believers (those who already have received the indwelling presence) gather around the new believer and lay hands on them and pray over them.
Other than Pentecost, this is how Scriptrue tells us folks receive the indwelling presence. So, it IS POSSIBLE. Now, many folks come to the point of repentance and salvation apart from others. They could be all alone in the desert, walking along a beach, climbing a mountain, in a Hospital bed........whatever..........While they have repented, confessed their need for God's saving grace, and accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, AND ARE SAVED, they are not Sanctified. So, again, regarding your assertion...........
YES and NO
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I just thank God I was not raised in Pentecostalism or in any religion, therefore I get to see God and His word with a single eye and not through the eyes of religious dogma makers. I almost never went to church, and our family did not speak of God. The Lord appeared to me one time when I was five out of a sunset. I saw a brief vision of angels at about nine(but did not know what angels were then). At almost 14 while visiting a small Baptist church I asked God what He wanted me to do. God actually talked to me, all together for maybe an hour, He explained what I needed to do to get saved, at the time I had never read the bible. After accepting Christ as Savior I was daily filled with this incredible love flowing from within. It would be 4 years before I would read a bible and during that time I was kept by the Holy Spirit. The Spirit that kept me was nothing like what Pentecostals call the Spirit, He was incredible in love and self control and quietness and in piece. Never did the Spirit lead me to jump about or scream or act silly, just the opposite. I know the Spirit and have heard Him speak audibly more then once. I would not speak against Pentecostalism if I did not see a very serious error about the manifestations that they are blaming on the precious Spirit of the living God.
I just thank God I was not raised in Pentecostalism or in any religion, therefore I get to see God and His word with a single eye and not through the eyes of religious dogma makers. I almost never went to church, and our family did not speak of God. The Lord appeared to me one time when I was five out of a sunset. I saw a brief vision of angels at about nine(but did not know what angels were then). At almost 14 while visiting a small Baptist church I asked God what He wanted me to do. God actually talked to me, all together for maybe an hour, He explained what I needed to do to get saved, at the time I had never read the bible. After accepting Christ as Savior I was daily filled with this incredible love flowing from within. It would be 4 years before I would read a bible and during that time I was kept by the Holy Spirit. The Spirit that kept me was nothing like what Pentecostals call the Spirit, He was incredible in love and self control and quietness and in piece. Never did the Spirit lead me to jump about or scream or act silly, just the opposite. I know the Spirit and have heard Him speak audibly more then once. I would not speak against Pentecostalism if I did not see a very serious error about the manifestations that they are blaming on the precious Spirit of the living God.
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For the readers;
This thread explains when & why His disciples were saved at Pentecost; as when one is born again of the Spirit which was at their salvation when He was no longer physically present with them.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/148226-when-were-disciples-saved.html
For the readers;
This thread explains when & why His disciples were saved at Pentecost; as when one is born again of the Spirit which was at their salvation when He was no longer physically present with them.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/148226-when-were-disciples-saved.html
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This thread shares His words as where the Old Testament saints were before His death, and including where the thief had gone when Jesus Christ had died.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...e-were-o-t-saints-before-christ-had-come.html
This thread shares His words as where the Old Testament saints were before His death, and including where the thief had gone when Jesus Christ had died.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...e-were-o-t-saints-before-christ-had-come.html
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Together, the edification proves that no one was saved until Pentecost when the church began with Christ as the Head of the church.
Jesus had to be in Heaven as the Firstfruit in bringing us to God; both O.T. & N.T. saints. That was when eternal life was given when we had received the seal of adoption; our citizenship in Heaven too.
That means we are Spirit filled always as a testimony that we are saved; and thus there is no more filling of the Spirit unless they deny Him as having been saved by faith in Jesus Christ by seeking a continual filling of the spirit after a sign which is not the real indwelling Holy Spirit that was promised to us by the Father.
There is no other calling and thus no other filling. Jesus Christ is the gospel; not any movement of the spirit's gospel.
Together, the edification proves that no one was saved until Pentecost when the church began with Christ as the Head of the church.
Jesus had to be in Heaven as the Firstfruit in bringing us to God; both O.T. & N.T. saints. That was when eternal life was given when we had received the seal of adoption; our citizenship in Heaven too.
That means we are Spirit filled always as a testimony that we are saved; and thus there is no more filling of the Spirit unless they deny Him as having been saved by faith in Jesus Christ by seeking a continual filling of the spirit after a sign which is not the real indwelling Holy Spirit that was promised to us by the Father.
There is no other calling and thus no other filling. Jesus Christ is the gospel; not any movement of the spirit's gospel.
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