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    How can we tell the true Spirit of God from false spirits that pretend to be the Spirit of God. The true Spirit of God will indwell a person who repents and calls upon Jesus to be his or her Savior. A false spirit can not do that. The true Spirit will emphasize Jesus and His sacrifice. A false spirit will speak of himself. The true Spirit will lead people to forsake the things of this world and seek the things above where Christ sits on the right hand of God. The false spirit will lead people to seek the material things of this world and position and fame. The true Spirit will lead Christians to be respectful and considerate of others. The false spirit will cause people to be rude and arrogant. The true Spirit will led people to respect and accept the obvious literal interpretation of scripture. The false spirit will led people to reject truth that they do not like and strive to manipulate scripture. Maybe others can find some differences between the Spirit of God and the spirit of Satan.
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    The first comment of yours I have read that I actually enjoyed reading.........hmm
    Hebrews 13:5 .) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 .) So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    How can we tell the true Spirit of God from false spirits that pretend to be the Spirit of God. The true Spirit of God will indwell a person who repents and calls upon Jesus to be his or her Savior. A false spirit can not do that. The true Spirit will emphasize Jesus and His sacrifice. A false spirit will speak of himself. The true Spirit will lead people to forsake the things of this world and seek the things above where Christ sits on the right hand of God. The false spirit will lead people to seek the material things of this world and position and fame. The true Spirit will lead Christians to be respectful and considerate of others. The false spirit will cause people to be rude and arrogant. The true Spirit will led people to respect and accept the obvious literal interpretation of scripture. The false spirit will led people to reject truth that they do not like and strive to manipulate scripture. Maybe others can find some differences between the Spirit of God and the spirit of Satan.
    Isn't that resolved by 1 John 3

    THE CHILDREN OF GOD

    • born of light and truth
    • keep their seed
    • are righteous in works
    • are perfect in faith

    THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL

    • born of their father
    • sin from the beginning
    • are corrupted in works
    • are reprobates in faith


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    I sometimes disagree with what is called the moving of the Spirit by Pentecostals. I am not saying that the Spirit of God does not ever move in a Pentecostal church, most Pentecostals that I know believe that we are saved by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ as Savior, so many Pentecostals are real Christians. However there is a big difference between the Holy Spirit and false spirits and we have the bible to show us that difference. Just because a person may feel a pleasurable experience of the anointing of a spirit upon them does not mean that the spirit has to be God. Jesus made quite a point that MANY would have great ministries in His name, even with miracles, and He would say to them, I NEVER knew you. If Jesus NEVER knew them then that would have to mean that they were operating by means of a spirit not of Him. Think about what Jesus was saying, many would have great Christian ministries that even had miracles and yet the anointing would be a false spirit and not the Holy Spirit. I believe this is going on today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    How can we tell the true Spirit of God from false spirits that pretend to be the Spirit of God. The true Spirit of God will indwell a person who repents and calls upon Jesus to be his or her Savior. A false spirit can not do that. The true Spirit will emphasize Jesus and His sacrifice. A false spirit will speak of himself. The true Spirit will lead people to forsake the things of this world and seek the things above where Christ sits on the right hand of God. The false spirit will lead people to seek the material things of this world and position and fame. The true Spirit will lead Christians to be respectful and considerate of others. The false spirit will cause people to be rude and arrogant. The true Spirit will led people to respect and accept the obvious literal interpretation of scripture. The false spirit will led people to reject truth that they do not like and strive to manipulate scripture. Maybe others can find some differences between the Spirit of God and the spirit of Satan.
    A false spirit will use any guilt of sin, past,present, and future!..When one finds oneself in a "self-loathing", or unable to forgive one's own self, over a matter, or matters?....Guess who?...(hint)...It's NOT Woody Woodpecker!...Although, it relentlessly "pecks" at one!
    (Cutting through the chaff)

    "You GO Lord Of The Harvest!"




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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    How can we tell the true Spirit of God from false spirits that pretend to be the Spirit of God. The true Spirit of God will indwell a person ...........
    At salvation.

    Any other time when a BELIEVER feels a spirit coming over them, filling them, bringing sensational signs in the flesh like speaking in a tongue that is babbling nonsense as it was in the world before Pentecost God's gift of tongues of foreign languages had come, or falling backwards as it is found in the world before Pentecost had come ( see Isaiah 28 ) then that was not the Holy Spirit because the real Holy Spirit was already within them as promised by faith in Jesus Christ when they had come to and believed in Him.

    The promise of the permanent indwelling Holy Spirit came by the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    This other calling for that confusing phenomenon moves away from the gospel of Jesus Christ in denying Him by that promise.

    You cannot received Him again if He is already within you. It is hypocrisy to say you have received Him and He is in you when you seek to receive Him again as if He has left you or that you can receive Him again, even though He is in you.

    The true Spirit will emphasize Jesus and His sacrifice. A false spirit will speak of himself.
    True. The Holy Spirit will only speak of Jesus Christ ( John 15:26 ) as He will lead us to do too ( John 15:27 & 1 Corinthians 2:2 ) whereas the spirit of the anti christ will speak of themselves in seeking their own glory.

    The real indwelling Holy Spirit speaks of the gospel of Jesus Christ; keeping the spotlight on Him in seeking His glory.

    Seducing spirits seek to lead the bride away from the Bridegroom in committing spiritual fornication in chasing after them to be filled after a sign in the flesh. The glory is not on Jesus Christ at all but on the glory of that movement of the "spirit".

    The true Spirit will lead people to forsake the things of this world and seek the things above where Christ sits on the right hand of God. The false spirit will lead people to seek the material things of this world and position and fame. The true Spirit will lead Christians to be respectful and considerate of others. The false spirit will cause people to be rude and arrogant. The true Spirit will led people to respect and accept the obvious literal interpretation of scripture. The false spirit will led people to reject truth that they do not like and strive to manipulate scripture. Maybe others can find some differences between the Spirit of God and the spirit of Satan.
    As for non outward supernatural signs, as stated above, that can be applied to those not involved in these extra movement of the "Spirit". That involves all of us because we all need to lean on Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us run that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help us lay aside every weight & sin as we rest in Him to finish His work in us to His glory.
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    To those that believe that the Holy Spirit baptism come at salvation: This is not true.

    Yes, we receive the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of adoption at salvation, but that's not the Baptism.

    Technically, the New Testament could not come to pass without the death of the testator, Jesus Christ.

    But once Jesus died & resurrected, His disciples were saved.

    Yet, Jesus tells them after His resurrection to tarry in the upper room until they be endued with power from on high.

    Two separate events.

    Acts also gives other examples of separate events.

    The church at Azuza taught three different works of grace:
    1. Salvation by grace through faith.
    2. Sanctification, the act of putting off the old man & putting on the new man created in Christ Jesus. (spiritual growth/maturity)
    3. The baptism in the Holy Spirit/Ghost where the believer is endued with power & gifts of the Holy Spirit to do whatever God needs us to do in ministry.
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    I would agree with you Stephen

    In fact, I was just going over this again myself the last couple of days

    It seems clear from scripture, that there are two events

    I would not want to be calling the Holy Spirit an evil spirit but reading around the forums here, it looks like this is an ongoing raging battle for some reason. I think the Bible is pretty clear about it?

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    How can a person say they want all they can receive from God, yet refuse what's already been offered by Jesus Himself?

    If all the Book is true, then all the Book is true.

    Jesus told the 120 disciples to receive the Comforter from the Father. We too are His disciples, yes?

    Though the church has had a terrible history, God's Word is still true.

    Why would God expect less today than what He expected from the early church?
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    Paul said that EVERY believer has been baptized in the Holy Spirit, and he never ever taught a Christian to seek to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, that would have been absurd to him since they were already baptized in the Spirit. Paul did encourage Christians to be filled with the Spirit.
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    Everyone who has believed in Jesus Christ has been baptized by the Holy Spirit. Having been spiritually identified with Christ by the Spirit immersing them with Christ in His death and being raised together with Christ to the newness of life.
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    “How foolish can you be? After starting your new lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?”
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevenseas View Post
    I would agree with you Stephen

    In fact, I was just going over this again myself the last couple of days

    It seems clear from scripture, that there are two events

    I would not want to be calling the Holy Spirit an evil spirit but reading around the forums here, it looks like this is an ongoing raging battle for some reason. I think the Bible is pretty clear about it?
    Oh, there is some reason..... When Jesus was on Earth he plainly old His disciples that He would send another comforter.

    Jesus was the disciples' comforter. One who came along side with them with strength & power.(paracletos)

    Another paracletos would be sent by Jesus Himself to the church to do for them what He Himself had done.

    This is why Jesus said the church would do greater works than Him. Imagine us doing these things on our own, lol!

    Just as Jesus was given by God to be our Savior, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was given by Jesus to be the strength & power of the church.

    Cut off this power, & the church is helpless. Satan would overrun the church & destroy its influence.

    This is exactly what Satan is doing at CC..... overrunning the true church, destroying its influence, & replacing true doctrine with easy believism.
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    I believe the scriptures talk about different events too. I believe the baptism of the Holy Spirit is when we are baptized into the body of Christ when we hear the message of Christ and are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

    1 Corinthians 12:13 (NASB)
    13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

    Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
    13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

    At Pentecost the 120 were both baptized into the body of Christ and also filled with the Holy Spirit at the same time. Sometimes this occurs at the same time for believers - sometimes not - this too is recorded in Acts.

    The initial "filling" of the Holy Spirit will and often does result in speaking in tongues as a devotional prayer from our spirit to the Lord as we yield to it. We do the speaking - the Holy Spirit gives us the ability - "and they were all filed with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in tongues as the Spirit gave them the utterance."

    There are many subsequent fillings of the Holy Spirit recorded throughout Acts where the same people were filled with the Holy Spirit again for service of some sort - usually speaking the word with boldness.

    Acts 11:16 (NASB)
    16 "And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'

    I used to believe ( because of my Pentecostal religion background ) that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was when I was initially filled with the Spirit and spoke in tongues. I believed that because that's what was taught but after going over the scriptures - see it differently now.

    I speak in tongues more than I do in English in the run of a day now that I am retired - so I am not against tongues. It is a great blessing from the Father to speak to Him with my spirit when I pray in tongues. 1 Cor. 14:2, 14-15.

    Devotional prayer in tongues to the Father is a great blessing that is different from the "ministry" gift of tongues and interpretation. w which is meant for the edification of the body of believers listening.
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    The new man in Christ - the new creation that is created in righteousness and

    holiness hears the heart voice of the Spirit and not an old head noise of the letter

    of the word. The Pharisees knew "bible knowledge" but they did not

    know God's heart and so they erred in really understanding what the

    scriptures were saying.


    The Lord wants us to look through His eyes and to live from His heart towards

    people, towards Him and towards ourselves as well.

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    What really happens when a true born again Spirit in dwelt believer asks God for the baptism in the Holy Spirit? The scriptures are clear that they were baptized in the Spirit at the time of conversion, so what happens when they are actually asking for what they already have? None of us know for sure, but lets just say that the person does really begin to speak in tongues(no faking it). Did God give them a second baptism in the Spirit...that is not scriptural, only one baptism of the Spirit. Maybe the Lord just feels sorry for their ignorance and gives to them the gift of tongues because they are asking for the Spirit(even though they already have Him). There is also a danger in asking for a spirit after you already have the Spirit because there is the possibility that you will accept a false spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    Paul said that EVERY believer has been baptized in the Holy Spirit, and he never ever taught a Christian to seek to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, that would have been absurd to him since they were already baptized in the Spirit. Paul did encourage Christians to be filled with the Spirit.
    Please provide scriptural evidence for that, for I've never seen that in the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen63 View Post
    Oh, there is some reason..... When Jesus was on Earth he plainly old His disciples that He would send another comforter.

    Jesus was the disciples' comforter. One who came along side with them with strength & power.(paracletos)

    Another paracletos would be sent by Jesus Himself to the church to do for them what He Himself had done.

    This is why Jesus said the church would do greater works than Him. Imagine us doing these things on our own, lol!

    Just as Jesus was given by God to be our Savior, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was given by Jesus to be the strength & power of the church.

    Cut off this power, & the church is helpless. Satan would overrun the church & destroy its influence.

    This is exactly what Satan is doing at CC..... overrunning the true church, destroying its influence, & replacing true doctrine with easy believism.


    I don't want to become embroiled in an already established war zone here LOL!

    I do know that without the Holy Spirit, I would have been a dried up old corpse on the beach a long time ago.

    I think the Holy Spirit is the oil that makes our machine run
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    I was saved in a Baptist Church and was Baptist for years so I know about their beliefs and walk with the Lord. I have also been into everything that the Pentecostals teach and know what they believe. It has also taken me years to come to the beliefs that I have today...my last hero to fall was Kenneth Hagin. I am not saying that Pentecostals are not Christian, I believe that Hagin is in Heaven, though I believe he was deceived in his last days. I do not believe that the Pentecostal movement is or ever was of God, I think Satan has deceived a lot of folks and by so doing Satan is actually in the church and in many cases being worshipped as God.
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    Stephen, you are a bible scholar, you know where the place and places are that describe what I have written, just in case, Paul said that "we have ALL been baptized in the same Spirit"(paraphrase). Also, find me a place where Paul wrote to Christians and told any of them to seek to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    How can we tell the true Spirit of God from false spirits that pretend to be the Spirit of God. The true Spirit of God will indwell a person who repents and calls upon Jesus to be his or her Savior. A false spirit can not do that. The true Spirit will emphasize Jesus and His sacrifice. A false spirit will speak of himself. The true Spirit will lead people to forsake the things of this world and seek the things above where Christ sits on the right hand of God. The false spirit will lead people to seek the material things of this world and position and fame. The true Spirit will lead Christians to be respectful and considerate of others. The false spirit will cause people to be rude and arrogant. The true Spirit will led people to respect and accept the obvious literal interpretation of scripture. The false spirit will led people to reject truth that they do not like and strive to manipulate scripture. Maybe others can find some differences between the Spirit of God and the spirit of Satan.
    So what spirit am I,a charismatic operating under?

    Go ahead and go for IT.

    We all know the truth of where you ate coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    I think Satan has deceived a lot of folks and by so doing Satan is actually in the church and in many cases being worshipped as God.
    There are people in church who are not saved, but we are called to honour Him and Him alone.
    What you have in church is hypocracy and letting people compromise with sin and continue to
    live a life like they are walking in Christ.

    Where churches start to loose the plot when love and repentance are not high on their agenda,
    where the cross does not feature in their meditations or intentions.

    The problem with emphasis on glory, praise, being positive at the cost of everything else, is they
    just become the world singing uplifting songs.
    I share "Jesus Christ and him crucified" 1 cor 2:2
    "He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 cor 15:57

    The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you

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