PHARISEES AND THE UNPARDONABLE SIN

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popeye

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This unpardonable sin dynamic is dire. What worse thing could be ascribed to an individual?

Even the mark of the beast is not as bad,because,speaking of the plagues in rev it says "----and still,they would not repent"

Meaning they possibly could
 
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Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit has to do with accusing Jesus Christ of being demon-possessed instead of Spirit-filled. This particular type of blasphemy cannot be duplicated today. The Pharisees were in a unique moment in history: they had the Law and the Prophets, they had the Holy Spirit stirring their hearts, they had the Son of God Himself standing right in front of them, and they saw with their own eyes the miracles He did. Never before in the history of the world (and never since) had so much divine light been granted to men; if anyone should have recognized Jesus for who He was, it was the Pharisees. Yet they chose defiance. They purposely attributed the work of the Spirit to the devil, even though they knew the truth and had the proof. Jesus declared their willful blindness to be unpardonable. Their blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was their final rejection of God’s grace. They had set their course, and God was going to let them sail into perdition unhindered.

https://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html
The article began decent, until I read this paragraph. This is lies. This sin is committed nearly every day by modern-day pharisees.

Let's go back to the scriptures again, beeeecause some people need someone to lead them by the hand into the Word.

31“Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Now, where is the word "unbelief" in these sentences? Whoa..... it's not there.

Who is being spoken against that will bring this unforgiveness & judgment? The RED say the
Holy Spirit.

Pleeeeze don't lie on God's word..... unbelief is not there, neither is this particularily against Jesus as it is the Holy Spirit.

If a christian does something by the power of the Spirit, & someone mocks it, lies about what spirit it is, blames the Devil for the work, that person is still blaspheming against the Holy Spirit.

This scripture needs no super-spiritualistic decoding, it doesn't need some overly popular person to explain it, It plainly speaks for itself. The context speaks for it as well.

Pleeeze quit lying on God's word, for false teachers will be judged.

For that particular group who believes you can never lose your salvation, that you can't be unforgiven, here's an answer to your beliefs: You're wrong.
 
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The root is unbelief.....end of story....geesh

To equate the work of JESUS to the power of the devil instead of the HS is UNBELIEF into the work of Christ on our behalf.....
 
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The root is unbelief.....end of story....geesh

To equate the work of JESUS to the power of the devil instead of the HS is UNBELIEF into the work of Christ on our behalf.....
Then you're own unbelief in this scripture & what it means will condemn you, for you don't believe it.
 
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Then you're own unbelief in this scripture & what it means will condemn you, for you don't believe it.
Not hardly pal.....I believe Jesus did his work through the power of the HS.......wake up to reality....one who will not acknowledge the work of Jesus cannot be forgiven....
 
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Not hardly pal.....I believe Jesus did his work through the power of the HS.......wake up to reality....one who will not acknowledge the work of Jesus cannot be forgiven....
Don't think I'm overreacting..... those that can't believe something as simple as this is missing a great deal of scripture & its meaning.

This unbelief is huge.
 
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Don't think I'm overreacting..... those that can't believe something as simple as this is missing a great deal of scripture & its meaning.

This unbelief is huge.
Tragic because your view....really is applicable unto your own view....

NO JESUS your not doing the work by the power of God through his SPIRIT...your doing it by the power of the devil = we don't believe you are from God and your work valid....= UNBELIEF into his work and power....UNBELIEF=NO FORGIVENESS!

wake up....seriously!
 
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The sin of unbelief is not the same as the sin against the Holy Spirit.
Jesus talks about the unbelief of towns that rejected the disciples when He sent them
out.

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and the dust off your feet.
Matt 10:14

This unbelief was not equated with blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

“‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”
24 Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
Mark 9:23-24

He is a man who has unbelief, but it is forgiven, and the boy is healed.
This is not the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that cannot be forgiven once done.
 

mailmandan

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The article began decent, until I read this paragraph. This is lies. This sin is committed nearly every day by modern-day pharisees.

Let's go back to the scriptures again, beeeecause some people need someone to lead them by the hand into the Word.

31“Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Now, where is the word "unbelief" in these sentences? Whoa..... it's not there.

Who is being spoken against that will bring this unforgiveness & judgment? The RED say the
Holy Spirit.

Pleeeeze don't lie on God's word..... unbelief is not there, neither is this particularily against Jesus as it is the Holy Spirit.

If a christian does something by the power of the Spirit, & someone mocks it, lies about what spirit it is, blames the Devil for the work, that person is still blaspheming against the Holy Spirit.

This scripture needs no super-spiritualistic decoding, it doesn't need some overly popular person to explain it, It plainly speaks for itself. The context speaks for it as well.

Pleeeze quit lying on God's word, for false teachers will be judged.

For that particular group who believes you can never lose your salvation, that you can't be unforgiven, here's an answer to your beliefs: You're wrong.
The article began and ended just fine. You don't know what you're talking about as dcontroversal pointed out. Your slanderous, hateful remarks were unnecessary. :(

Tragic because your view....really is applicable unto your own view....

NO JESUS your not doing the work by the power of God through his SPIRIT...your doing it by the power of the devil = we don't believe you are from God and your work valid....= UNBELIEF into his work and power....UNBELIEF=NO FORGIVENESS!

wake up....seriously!
Amen! Well said brother! :)
 
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The article began and ended just fine. You don't know what you're talking about as dcontroversal pointed out. Your slanderous, hateful remarks were unnecessary. :(

Amen! Well said brother! :)
Well, we've proved one thing..... there's lots of pharisees on CC!

They will deflect, lie, malign, & whatever else is necessary to win.

It doesn't matter to them to argue directly against the Bible.

It seems the main thing to them is to cover each other's butts when caught.

'Doesn't matter if 20 of them come in & say the same things..... it's still wrong.
 
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Originally Posted by mailmandan

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit has to do with accusing Jesus Christ of being demon-possessed instead of Spirit-filled. This particular type of blasphemy cannot be duplicated today. The Pharisees were in a unique moment in history: they had the Law and the Prophets, they had the Holy Spirit stirring their hearts, they had the Son of God Himself standing right in front of them, and they saw with their own eyes the miracles He did. Never before in the history of the world (and never since) had so much divine light been granted to men; if anyone should have recognized Jesus for who He was, it was the Pharisees. Yet they chose defiance. They purposely attributed the work of the Spirit to the devil, even though they knew the truth and had the proof. Jesus declared their willful blindness to be unpardonable. Their blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was their final rejection of God’s grace. They had set their course, and God was going to let them sail into perdition unhindered.
This particular type of blasphemy cannot be duplicated today. The Pharisees were in a unique moment in history: they had the Law and the Prophets
Um,we also have that today

they had the Holy Spirit stirring their hearts
Ditto,we still have that


they had the Son of God Himself standing right in front of them
Check,we still have that also


and they saw with their own eyes the miracles He did
Yes,of course we still see that also. He is the same .He still acts and talks and does miracles.He even has the same nail prints he did back then.


Never before in the history of the world (and never since) had so much divine light been granted to men
Never since? The proper example is elijah and elisha. Elisha did twice the miracles. That is the pattern. The exponent goes forward,not backward.

you have it exactly inverted.

It is literally impossible to miss.

Hint ;Jesus speaking of John the baptist ,referred to him as elijah . Now you can get the picture. Jesus was "elisha"

Elijah left his mantle.

After Jesus resurrection,he breathed on the disciples and anointed them (mantled them) in the same elijah/elisha pattern.
 

mailmandan

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Um, we also have that today

Ditto, we still have that
You are missing the main point from the article. *They had the Son of God Himself standing right in front of them, and they saw with their own eyes the miracles He did. If anyone should have recognized Jesus for who He was, it was the Pharisees. Yet they chose defiance. They purposely attributed the work of the Spirit to the devil, even though they knew the truth and had the proof. Jesus declared their willful blindness to be unpardonable.* We don't have that today. Jesus Himself is not visibly standing right in front of us performing miracles that are undeniably from God, but has ascended to the Father. The point in the article about the Pharisees having the Law and the Prophets was not an implication that we don't have that today or that the Holy Spirit stirring the hearts of the Pharisees doesn't happen today. This was simply building up to the main point of the article that I bolded.

Check,we still have that also
Jesus has ascended to the Father and is no longer standing right in front of us in the flesh. He was crucified, buried and has risen. Check mate.

Yes,of course we still see that also. He is the same .He still acts and talks and does miracles.He even has the same nail prints he did back then.
What miracles have you watched Jesus (in person, in the flesh) perform with your own eyes? :eek: Jesus still performs miracles today, but Jesus has ascended and is no longer walking the earth in human form. Jesus was crucified, buried and has risen.

Never since? The proper example is elijah and elisha. Elisha did twice the miracles. That is the pattern. The exponent goes forward,not backward.

you have it exactly inverted.

It is literally impossible to miss.

Hint ;Jesus speaking of John the baptist ,referred to him as elijah . Now you can get the picture. Jesus was "elisha"

Elijah left his mantle.

After Jesus resurrection,he breathed on the disciples and anointed them (mantled them) in the same elijah/elisha pattern.
You have clearly missed the main point of the article and only seem interested in nit picking the article and creating an argument. :rolleyes:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Then you're own unbelief in this scripture & what it means will condemn you, for you don't believe it.
that ASSUMES you interpret it correctly which is just an assumption. WHo gives you the right to judge?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The article began decent, until I read this paragraph. This is lies. This sin is committed nearly every day by modern-day pharisees.

Let's go back to the scriptures again, beeeecause some people need someone to lead them by the hand into the Word.

31“Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Now, where is the word "unbelief" in these sentences? Whoa..... it's not there.

Who is being spoken against that will bring this unforgiveness & judgment? The RED say the
Holy Spirit.

Pleeeeze don't lie on God's word..... unbelief is not there, neither is this particularily against Jesus as it is the Holy Spirit.

If a christian does something by the power of the Spirit, & someone mocks it, lies about what spirit it is, blames the Devil for the work, that person is still blaspheming against the Holy Spirit.

This scripture needs no super-spiritualistic decoding, it doesn't need some overly popular person to explain it, It plainly speaks for itself. The context speaks for it as well.

Pleeeze quit lying on God's word, for false teachers will be judged.

For that particular group who believes you can never lose your salvation, that you can't be unforgiven, here's an answer to your beliefs: You're wrong.
Oh boy, so much wrong with this, I do not know where to start.

Lets just cut to the chase.


The HS came to convict the world of sin righteousness and judgment. One who rejects this conviction. has called the HS a liar.

The HS also came to explain to the world the gospel. Thus whoever rejects the gospel has called the holy spirit a liar.

Calling the holy spirit a liar is blasphemy of the holy spirit..

Thus unbelief in what the HS came to convict and explain is blasphemy of the HS.

Whoever dies in this state will have no forgiveness.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This unpardonable sin dynamic is dire. What worse thing could be ascribed to an individual?

Even the mark of the beast is not as bad,because,speaking of the plagues in rev it says "----and still,they would not repent"

Meaning they possibly could

The pharisee commited blasphemy of the spirit by attributing to satan the work of the HS.

Jesus did not say they were condemned, But they were in danger.. They still had a chance to repent.
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The pharisee commited blasphemy of the spirit by attributing to satan the work of the HS.

Jesus did not say they were condemned, But they were in danger.. They still had a chance to repent.
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It is funny on another thread someone is accusing simple biblical teaching and following
is an idea being foolish and taught by demons. Sounds just like the pharisees.
 
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jesus separated the unpardonable one from the others.

You are referring to general rejection of CHRIST.

(remember the modern day pharisees see the Holy Spirit as a concept,while professing Him as a deity. They even say it is demonic to address Him. More made up mess in their minds)
I'm saying that the rejection of CHRIST Is unpardonable If the person has rejjected CHRIST to the point that nothing anyone says will change their mind,I'm saying that that person Is reprobate and desensitized and can no longer be Influenced by a guilty conscience.

Its not someone getting mad or someone accidentally saying something wrong about HOLY SPIRIT.

Imo.This happens at the heart level over time.
 
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I'm saying that the rejection of CHRIST Is unpardonable If the person has rejjected CHRIST to the point that nothing anyone says will change their mind,I'm saying that that person Is reprobate and desensitized and can no longer be Influenced by a guilty conscience.

Its not someone getting mad or someone accidentally saying something wrong about HOLY SPIRIT.

Imo.This happens at the heart level over time.
There is a group who reject that Christ can transform the believer into a righteous human being
in communion with God today, in this world.

They reject Christs words, and claim they are impossible dreams spoken only to show the impossibility
of walking as Christ walked.

To me this is a complete rejection of Godliness and holiness as described by Jude.

Yet these same people despise anyone who takes Jesus as His word as anti-Christ and dooming people
to hell. It is also this group who hold the unpardonable sin is unbelief, and that I am commiting it
by saying Jesus gives us perfection and oneness in Him.

It has gone so far they are now saying taking Jesus at his word is a doctrine taught by demons.

This is what the pharisees did. The only real difference is this group are open about their hypocracy,
over which they have no shame. They claim their failure is Christs success, by ignoring their sin
as they commit it, as if this makes any sense except it is literally living as a rebellious sinner without
repentance, as described in the book of revelation, doomed to judgement.

And these words will not strike fear in them, because they have given up on real spiritual victory.

They repeat their position so often its sin has no stigma or bite, it appears they will not return
to faith or fellowship in Christ.
 
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blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is to attribute Christs teachings and or actions as having satan as their source .. it may also be a spiritual state where one substitutes evil for good and good for evil ..saying right is wrong and wrong is right..bad idea