PHARISEES AND THE UNPARDONABLE SIN

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popeye

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The Pharisees of Jesus time were obsessed with disgracing the power and person of Jesus.

Interesting that the only disciple that actually bit on their garbage was a devil in disguise.

He must have also thought evil of the power Jesus received at his anointing with the Holy Spirit.

The bible says speaking against the Holy Spirit is unpardonable.

Amazing how both then,and today,these Pharisees are obsessed with destroying any reference to the Holy Spirit's ministry,and power in believers today.

Even to the point of defying Jesus clear rebuke and correction that Satan can not cast out Satan.
 
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Ariel82

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Paul was a Pharisee.
 
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Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The Spirit points to Christ...end of story...Those who make more to do about the Holy Spirit are not being led of the Spirit period.

Blasphemy against the SPIRIT is to equate the work of Christ to the power of the DEVIL instead of the Spirit...to do so is a state of UNBELIEF and one who will not believe is UNFORGIVABLE......

Not that difficult to understand.......
 
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Paul was a Pharisee.
Read the encounter on the road to Damascus. He got delivered from stalking the church.

He became an apostle. Dropped the pharisee thingy so to speak.

(psst,it was a bad thing.Something not to be desired,due to the accompanying spirit)
 
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22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

This ,from mat 12 is chilling.

Here jesus is accused of operating under the power of satan.

Now what they did was exactly what the modern pharisees do in our modern times.

Anytime they see or hear about the power of the Holy Spirit,they immediately go to default,and begin to tirelessly tie the Holy Spirit in with the devil.

Have they read the scriptures?

It is clear. Hopefully not too late for them.
 
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popeye

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There are unlimited explanations as to what the unpardonable sin is.

Jesus said it was ascribing the devil to the work of the Holy Spirit.

Is this not a pit for those obsessed with ascribing the devil to God's power at work in the body of Christ
 
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There are unlimited explanations as to what the unpardonable sin is.

Jesus said it was ascribing the devil to the work of the Holy Spirit.

Is this not a pit for those obsessed with ascribing the devil to God's power at work in the body of Christ
You still don't get it....The Holy Spirit does not point to itself and make a big to do about itself......those who do so ARE not led of the Spirit!

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
 
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popeye

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Apparently the pharisees ushered in the unpardonable sin.

They were most likely the first to ascribe the devil to the Holy Spirit.
 
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There are unlimited explanations as to what the unpardonable sin is.

Jesus said it was ascribing the devil to the work of the Holy Spirit.

Is this not a pit for those obsessed with ascribing the devil to God's power at work in the body of Christ
The unpardonable sin is more than ascribing the devil to the Holy Spirit,but calling God evil in general,for the Pharisees blasphemed for they were saying Jesus has an unclean spirit.

The Bible says at the last days there will be many blasphemers,which comes by way of calling God evil in general,but at the last days it is the people who have become more evil,and self exalting.

Which we hear it when people say,God does not love me,God does not care about me,God is responsible for the natural disasters,and wars,God is against me,God is a tyrant demanding worship,blame God for wars,and fight in the name of God,get mad at God if their car does not start,and things like that.

The unpardonable sin is calling God evil in general,when God is good,allowed the Jews to war in the Old Testament,only for the putting down the wicked that were perverting the truth,hurting other people,and who would try to wipe Israel out,go against them,or pervert them from the truth,and in the New Testament it is spiritual,so no need for that now,and God said that wars come from people,and not Him.

Like one person said that all the things on earth that is bad done in the name of God,what is left to the devil,which that would be blasphemy if he were saying it is God's fault for the problems on earth.
 
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Apparently the pharisees ushered in the unpardonable sin.

They were most likely the first to ascribe the devil to the Holy Spirit.
A person that has committed the unpardonable sin to the point of no forgiveness has done It already In his heart and Is trully that way and that person Is blaspheming outwardly because they genuinely feel that way and this person would not care about GOD.
 

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[for me anyway] the Pharisees were and are the religious elitists; as for the "unpardonable sin" again for me anyway the sin which shall not be forgiven is unbelieving; for even Christ tells us that "he that believeth not is condemned already": the remedy is repenting; but if we repent not of unbelief then that brings to pass which Christ said that "if ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins".
 
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A person that has committed the unpardonable sin to the point of no forgiveness has done It already In his heart and Is trully that way and that person Is blaspheming outwardly because they genuinely feel that way and this person would not care about GOD.
jesus separated the unpardonable one from the others.

You are referring to general rejection of CHRIST.

(remember the modern day pharisees see the Holy Spirit as a concept,while professing Him as a deity. They even say it is demonic to address Him. More made up mess in their minds)
 
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popeye

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[for me anyway] the Pharisees were and are the religious elitists; as for the "unpardonable sin" again for me anyway the sin which shall not be forgiven is unbelieving; for even Christ tells us that "he that believeth not is condemned already": the remedy is repenting; but if we repent not of unbelief then that brings to pass which Christ said that "if ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins".
Jesus separated the unpardonable one from the others.

You are referring to general rejection of CHRIST.
 
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popeye

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The unpardonable sin is more than ascribing the devil to the Holy Spirit,but calling God evil in general,for the Pharisees blasphemed for they were saying Jesus has an unclean spirit.

The Bible says at the last days there will be many blasphemers,which comes by way of calling God evil in general,but at the last days it is the people who have become more evil,and self exalting.

Which we hear it when people say,God does not love me,God does not care about me,God is responsible for the natural disasters,and wars,God is against me,God is a tyrant demanding worship,blame God for wars,and fight in the name of God,get mad at God if their car does not start,and things like that.

The unpardonable sin is calling God evil in general,when God is good,allowed the Jews to war in the Old Testament,only for the putting down the wicked that were perverting the truth,hurting other people,and who would try to wipe Israel out,go against them,or pervert them from the truth,and in the New Testament it is spiritual,so no need for that now,and God said that wars come from people,and not Him.

Like one person said that all the things on earth that is bad done in the name of God,what is left to the devil,which that would be blasphemy if he were saying it is God's fault for the problems on earth.
No ,because he said sin against him COULD BE FORGIVEN.

Jesus separated the unpardonable one from the others.

You are referring to general rejection of CHRIST.
 
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popeye

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Is the UP sin in the OT ?

Since all other sin can be forgiven,and only blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can not be forgiven,are the cessationists pressing the default button,as they do with the power of the Holy Spirit,and just ascribe some out of context mental dynamic to Jesus' words????
 

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What is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

Question: "What is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?"

Answer: The concept of “blasphemy against the Spirit” is mentioned in Mark 3:22–30 and Matthew 12:22–32. Jesus has just performed a miracle. A demon-possessed man was brought to Jesus, and the Lord cast the demon out, healing the man of blindness and muteness. The eyewitnesses to this exorcism began to wonder if Jesus was indeed the Messiah they had been waiting for. A group of Pharisees, hearing the talk of the Messiah, quickly quashed any budding faith in the crowd: “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons,” they said (Matthew 12:24).

Jesus rebuts the Pharisees with some logical arguments for why He is not casting out demons in the power of Satan (Matthew 12:25–29). Then He speaks of the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit: “I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (verses 31–32).

The term blasphemy may be generally defined as “defiant irreverence.” The term can be applied to such sins as cursing God or willfully degrading things relating to God. Blasphemy is also attributing some evil to God or denying Him some good that we should attribute to Him. This particular case of blasphemy, however, is called “the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit” in Matthew 12:31. The Pharisees, having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by a demon (Matthew 12:24). Notice in Mark 3:30 Jesus is very specific about what the Pharisees did to commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit: “He said this because they were saying, ‘He has an impure spirit.’

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit has to do with accusing Jesus Christ of being demon-possessed instead of Spirit-filled. This particular type of blasphemy cannot be duplicated today. The Pharisees were in a unique moment in history: they had the Law and the Prophets, they had the Holy Spirit stirring their hearts, they had the Son of God Himself standing right in front of them, and they saw with their own eyes the miracles He did. Never before in the history of the world (and never since) had so much divine light been granted to men; if anyone should have recognized Jesus for who He was, it was the Pharisees. Yet they chose defiance. They purposely attributed the work of the Spirit to the devil, even though they knew the truth and had the proof. Jesus declared their willful blindness to be unpardonable. Their blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was their final rejection of God’s grace. They had set their course, and God was going to let them sail into perdition unhindered.

Jesus told the crowd that the Pharisees’ blasphemy against the Holy Spirit “will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matthew 12:32). This is another way of saying that their sin would never be forgiven, ever. Not now, not in eternity. As Mark 3:29 puts it, “They are guilty of an eternal sin.”

The immediate result of the Pharisees’ public rejection of Christ (and God’s rejection of them) is seen in the next chapter. Jesus, for the first time, “told them many things in parables” (Matthew 13:3; cf. Mark 4:2). The disciples were puzzled at Jesus’ change of teaching method, and Jesus explained His use of parables: “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. . . . Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand” (Matthew 13:11, 13). Jesus began to veil the truth with parables and metaphors as a direct result of the Jewish leaders’ official denunciation of Him.

Again, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit cannot be repeated today, although some people try. Jesus Christ is not on earth—He is seated at the right hand of God. No one can personally witness Jesus performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit.

The unpardonable sin today is the state of continued unbelief. The Spirit currently convicts the unsaved world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8). To resist that conviction and willfully remain unrepentant is to “blaspheme” the Spirit. There is no pardon, either in this age or in the age to come, for a person who rejects the Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ and then dies in unbelief. The love of God is evident: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). And the choice is clear: “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him” (John 3:36).

https://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html
 
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There are unlimited explanations as to what the unpardonable sin is.

Jesus said it was ascribing the devil to the work of the Holy Spirit.

Is this not a pit for those obsessed with ascribing the devil to God's power at work in the body of Christ
For me Jesus's warning is about testing peoples works or meaning before one condemns
it because it very might be a work of God.

The pharisees where only interested in their power and position and what Jesus meant
as far as threatening them. A clear miracle performed by God cannot be accused of being
a work of the enemy, or else one is speaking against the Holy Spirit.

Jesus pointed out even the disciples of the pharisees cast out demons, so it was not
special to His ministry, so if they could do this by Gods power, then surely Jesus could
do the same thing. This should bring humbleness to all when regarding works of the Spirit,
and to wait with patience and testing to see the fruit of such work in peoples lives.

Sadly I have seen groups clearly be blessed by the Holy Spirit only in their enthusiasm
to go off the rails, by rejecting everything they knew before to do with traditional faith,
which when their enthusiasm faded, nothing remained, because the enthusiasm became
the focus and not Christ himself or His work in their lives.

It is always extremely tempting to write off the opposition as the inspired enemy following
the voices of demons or being actually possessed, rather than just different life experiences
and ways of expressing it. I still remember people saying evolution as a hypothesis is a lie
of satan, when actually it is just a scientific hypothesis that has helped science progress.

Until you realise most things are accepted because they work within the individuals understanding
can you begin to see what is really going on.
 
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For me Jesus's warning is about testing peoples works or meaning before one condemns
it because it very might be a work of God.

The pharisees where only interested in their power and position and what Jesus meant
as far as threatening them. A clear miracle performed by God cannot be accused of being
a work of the enemy, or else one is speaking against the Holy Spirit.

Jesus pointed out even the disciples of the pharisees cast out demons, so it was not
special to His ministry, so if they could do this by Gods power, then surely Jesus could
do the same thing. This should bring humbleness to all when regarding works of the Spirit,
and to wait with patience and testing to see the fruit of such work in peoples lives.

Sadly I have seen groups clearly be blessed by the Holy Spirit only in their enthusiasm
to go off the rails, by rejecting everything they knew before to do with traditional faith,
which when their enthusiasm faded, nothing remained, because the enthusiasm became
the focus and not Christ himself or His work in their lives.

It is always extremely tempting to write off the opposition as the inspired enemy following
the voices of demons or being actually possessed, rather than just different life experiences
and ways of expressing it. I still remember people saying evolution as a hypothesis is a lie
of satan, when actually it is just a scientific hypothesis that has helped science progress.

Until you realise most things are accepted because they work within the individuals understanding
can you begin to see what is really going on.
Your last statement is what all heresy originates from
 
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popeye

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Btw,Romans addresses evolution,and places homosexuality as a catalyst for such misguidedness

Abortion is a byproduct of Godlessness,which evolution provides a tonic for the confusion accompanying life apart from God.