Genesis and the Three Heavens

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Electromagnetism...

2 Thessalonians 2:1
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him"


Do you see it yet?


 
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I read Genesis as the Lord leads.

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The first verse is the topic for this message; and verse 2 is signifying the beginning of that topic where there was nothing created.

Genesis 1:[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

So light came forth in creation for establishing day and night, but this light was not coming from the sun, but the Son.

Genesis 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.[SUP]7 [/SUP]And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.[SUP]8 [/SUP]And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

On the second day, earth was now a water planet as the water was separated from the upper atmosphere.

Genesis 1:[SUP]9 [/SUP]And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.[SUP]10 [/SUP]And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.[SUP]11 [/SUP]And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the third day.

This was when dry land appear coming out of the water planet; hence Pangaea, the one land continent with mature plants and trees bearing fruits and seeds on that day.

Genesis 1:[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:[SUP]15 [/SUP]And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.[SUP]16 [/SUP]And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.[SUP]17 [/SUP]And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,[SUP]18 [/SUP]And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

That was when God created two great lights; the sun to govern the day and the lights from the stars to govern the earth that night. That means God had to fill the gap with the light from those stars to govern the earth that night.

So getting back to the 3 heavens....

Genesis 5:[SUP]23 [/SUP]And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

2 Kings 2:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Anyway... we have three kinds of heavens; the upper atmosphere... where Enoch & Elijah were taken up... as it could not be Heaven where God dwells.

John 3:13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

So where is Enoch & Ezekiel now?

It is a stretch of my imaginations, but it would be the Lord putting that thought in my head, which I believe that to be the case because I believe those two are being transported through time & space right now to that point in time and space when they serve Him as THE two witnesses in the great tribulation.

So the upper atmosphere is one heaven; the second heaven is outer space; not sure by which heaven Enoch & Elijah are traveling through right now, but anyway, not the third heaven where God dwells.

1 Corinthians 15:
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Anyway, as science look through space above for how planets are formed and stuff in the beginnings of earth, thinking they found an earth forming as a water planet with a frozen upper atmosphere in theory, we can see how God commanded in creation fastforwarding everything in setting up the earth & the heavens in six days to run as the light that began it all was still shining until that one fateful day when the Son of God took our sins upon Himself to no longer shine in creation and the lights in creation did went out for a time.

Matthew 27:
[SUP]45[/SUP]Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.[SUP]46 [/SUP]And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Sin separates us from God; and when Jesus too our sins upon Himself, He was separated from the Father.

2 Corinthians 5:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

That sin not only separated Him from the Father, but when our Creator, the Light of the world took our sins upon Himself, the lights in creation went out for there is no greater Light than our Creator, Jesus Christ.

Passover commences on a full moon annually and so there was not even a light from that full moon. Joseph Africanus, a historian that was a christian, corrected a secular historian, Thallus, of attributing the darkness to an eclipse when it is unlikely because the Passover commences on a full moon annually.

So that shows an unusual darkness as the lights from the stars could not been seen either as our Creator took the sins of the world upon Himself as His light went out briefly in creation that suspended all other lights.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Thanks be to God that the darkness lasted only for a brief time to show His triumph over sin & death.

I digress....

The 3 heavens are as the upper atmosphere... the outer space.. and third heaven where God dwells.
 
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Thanks for sharing that with me Enow.

I'm intrigued by the concept of how Earth was formed by Water first...

On the second day, earth was now a water planet as the water was separated from the upper atmosphere.
The NIV really shows it clearly...

2 Peter 3:5 (NIV)
"But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water"


It just seems so contradictory to established Science, which makes me believe the word 'Water' may be a type of Parable.

Something like...

Proverbs 18:4
"The words of a man's mouth are as deep waters, and the wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook"
 

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Did you know that Branes and the Fabric of Space can be stretched like a Curtain or a Tent?

Base12....How do You Know????? Did NASA Tell you; I know , you have seen it yourself or this is what your were taught in your classroom studies from a book written (like common core) by liberals socialist and in most all cases were Atheist.

All the scripture you are talking about is about the firmament that God stretched out over the earth like a tent. Within that firmament, our sun, moon, stars and sky (1st heaven) exist.

 

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Thanks for sharing that with me Enow.

I'm intrigued by the concept of how Earth was formed by Water first...



The NIV really shows it clearly...

2 Peter 3:5 (NIV)
"But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water"


It just seems so contradictory to established Science, which makes me believe the word 'Water' may be a type of Parable.

Something like...

Proverbs 18:4
"The words of a man's mouth are as deep waters, and the wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook"
That is what you get when you start reading versions of the Bible not sanctioned by GOD.
 

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Seems to me that the first verse is talking about our atmospheric heaven and the sixth through eighth verse is talking about space, as it is called a firmament the same as it is also referred to in verses 15 and 17. God's spiritual heaven would have been present long before the earth was formed. It therefore seems like the water above the firmament would become planets and stars later and the water under it became the earth and it's water as is stated.
 

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When the Bible talks about the THIRD HEAVEN it is just the Bible's way of saying the true believer's heaven. The term 'third' in the Bible is a Bible buzzword for the true believers: "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God." People have seen Paul's reference to the third heaven and then go looking for three heavens. That is not the intent. Rather, the third heaven is simply heaven.
 
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Not three Heavens but three Heaven Ages just as there are three Earth Ages. Same Heaven Same Earth.
 

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When the Bible talks about the THIRD HEAVEN it is just the Bible's way of saying the true believer's heaven. The term 'third' in the Bible is a Bible buzzword for the true believers: "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God." People have seen Paul's reference to the third heaven and then go looking for three heavens. That is not the intent. Rather, the third heaven is simply heaven.
New Jerusalem came down from heaven, Jacob's ladder, Jesus spoke to them and was taken up to heaven, after Jesus was baptised heaven parted and the spirit of God came and rested on Him, I suppose all of these could mean that the heaven which angels and God and His son live in could be the atmospheric heaven we call the sky, only being spirits we are unable to see them unless they wish us to. It seems like 1 Thessalonians 4:17 might be alluding to this. ([FONT=&quot]After that, we who are still alive and are left[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] will be caught up together with them in the clouds[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] forever.) That verse says air in both the KJV and the NIV.[/FONT]
 
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Base12....How do You Know????? Did NASA Tell you; I know , you have seen it yourself or this is what your were taught in your classroom studies from a book written (like common core) by liberals socialist and in most all cases were Atheist.



All the scripture you are talking about is about the firmament that God stretched out over the earth like a tent. Within that firmament, our sun, moon, stars and sky (1st heaven) exist.
Perfect.

Let's talk about that.

In Genesis 1:15 we see that Stars exist in the Firmament of Heaven...

"And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so"

Since we all know that Stars are in Space, we can conclude that Firmament means Space.

Next verse...

Genesis 1:20
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven"


Oops!

Birds don't fly in Space, much less fly to where the Stars are.

Looks like we have a major contradiction.

And since there are no contradictions in the KJV, we must re-think our interpretation.

 
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"In the beginning (it does not say on Day 1- this is just an introduction to what is about to unfold). God created the heavens (plural- the sky, outer space, and paradise/3rd heaven).
Just for the record, I would like to point out that the KJV shows Heaven as singular in verse 1...

Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"


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That is what you get when you start reading versions of the Bible not sanctioned by GOD.
Yes, I hate using NIV, or any other non KJV, as they are very corrupt.

Excellent criticism.

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Seems to me that the first verse is talking about our atmospheric heaven...
This is what I used to think until I began seeing the contradictions...

Genesis 1:20
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven"


See that?

I've done some research on this and no one can provide a verse to settle the argument.

In fact, I've seen blogs where Pastors state that the Bible is not clear on this whole "Atmosphere/Space" deal and it's just been an assumption this entire time.

However...

When One approaches this with Fresh Eyes, One can see the word Firmament also being used to describe something very, very special...

Ezekiel 1:26
"And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it"


Yes, the word Firmament is being used to describe Ezekiel's Wheels and God.

Do you want to know what Ezekiel's Wheels are?

I will give you a hint...

It's in the Microcosm or the Kingdom of God Within...

 

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Ask any Christian, Scholar, Pastor, Church Leader etc., and they will all tell you the same thing...

The Heavens we see above and the Earth we see below were created in the very first verse of Genesis...

Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"


Unfortunately, they all have it wrong... dead wrong.

The Heaven that we see above wasn’t created until Day Two...

Genesis 1:8
"And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day"


And the Earth that we see under our feet wasn't created until Day Three...

Genesis 1:9-10
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so"

"And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good"


Notice that the Waters were gathered *first*, BEFORE the Earth was created? ...
Genesis 1:2 (KJV) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The basis of your thesis has just been refuted. Have a nice day.
 
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The term 'third' in the Bible is a Bible buzzword for the true believers: "And I will bring the third part through the fire..
Oooh. Now were talking.

"Through" the Fire eh?

Time to put on our 'Common Sense' thinking caps.

We all know that Satan has a counterfeit for everything that God made.

Thus, if there are Three Heavens, then there must be Three Hells...



Oh yes I did!

Wanna know what they are?

Microcosm
Macrocosm
Multiverse


Yep, three counterfeits exactly.

Don't believe me?

Then believe the Word of God...

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth"


We all know that the Lowest Parts of the Earth is Hell, but look where this Hell is...



That would be the Microcosm Hell BTW.

So much is being hid from you good folks it's not funny.

:(
 
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Genesis 1:2 (KJV) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The basis of your thesis has just been refuted. Have a nice day.
Lol. Awesome!

In a Two Dimensional World, there really is no 'form' to anything.

God calls it 'Stones of Emptiness'...

Isaiah 34:11
"But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness"


Think of 3D software...

One must create a 'Plane' first, then draw a sketch on that Plane.

It's all flat and Two Dimensional until the Sketch is extruded to make a 3D shape.

And still... it's all Virtual Reality.

Note that the Plane... aka Scroll... aka Membrane... is referred to as 'Waters'.

This is because God exists in Wave Form only...


^^^
That is the Spirit of God hovering over the Waters.

Some call it the "Point within the Circle".

This is why we cannot see God's face...

Exodus 33:20
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live"


God exists in Wave Form only.

This is what that whole 'Double Slit Experiment' stuff is all about.

If we try to observe the Wave, it collapses into a Particle.

However...

If we try to observe God's Wave Function, we DIE.

In other words, *OUR* Particle collapses into a Wave... just the opposite of Double Slit, and we become deader than Schrodinger's Cat.

Thus, God had to send a Mediator (Jesus) as the Middle Man that can exist in both Wave and Particle at the same time to rescue us that are trapped in the Particle World.

:cool:
 
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The Multiverse.

FourSquare refers to the Tesseract...




DNA. Another Kingdom of God Within reference.

I suppose all of these could mean that the heaven which angels and God and His son live in could be the atmospheric heaven we call the sky
Don't forget that a Dimensional Portal was opened first...

Revelation 4:1
"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter"


caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air...
Air is mostly Nitrogen.

This is the Stone with Seven Eyes or Seven Electrons...



In other words... Nitrogenous Bases.

My guess is that we will be upgraded to a new Twelve Base construct instead of the four we have now...

 
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I always enjoy your thread Base12 quite interesting indeed :)

I have a personal thought on the orderly fashion of verses in Genesis. just for personal amusement lol...

{1:1} In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. {1:6} And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. {1:7} And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament.{1:8} And God called the firmament Heaven. {1:3} And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. {1:4} And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. {1:15} And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.{1:2} And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. {1:9} And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear. {1:10} And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. {2:6} But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. {2:5} And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew. {1:11} And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth. {1:12} And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind. {1:20} And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. {1:21} And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind. {1:22} And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. {1:24} And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind. {1:25} And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind. {2:7} And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. {1:27} So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. {1:28} And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. {1:29} And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. {1:30} And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat. {1:31} And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. {2:4} These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, {2:1} Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
 
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Thanks Beyond ET.

It's good to see others pushing the envelope of our understanding on Genesis.

I'm not sure if I ever posted this before, but I made this video a few years ago...

[video=youtube;n6PGG_rIOI8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6PGG_rIOI8&t=2s[/video]

What I've done in the video is decipher the Masonic Royal Arch...



... by comparing it to Genesis 1 and a little of 2.

It's a perfect match.

Heaven and Earth are the Two Pillars.

The Greater Light and the Lesser Light are the Sun and Moon.

The Sea is the Checkered Floor.

The Spirit of God moving over the Waters is the 'G'.

God forming Man from the Dust of the Ground is the Casket.

Etc. Etc.

Just realize that Masonry is Luciferiansim, so be careful when studying this stuff.

They have discovered a sort of 'Transhuman Genetic Code' embedded in the text and are on their way to creating the Image of the Beast.

This is what the 13 + 33 Masonic Degrees represent...

Their Future World Leader...