What is the deeper meaning of the Ten Commandments? EX 18:1-20:26

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for me personally, looking back over several 'decades', I can plainly see that when I 'DIS-OBEYED'
His Holy Commandments, then I always seemed to be in some kind of 'trouble'...but, when I did 'OBEY'
His Holy Commandments, then I always seemed to be in some kind of 'peacefulness'...

ya'll figure it out, we had to...
 

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That is true, yet it is still a good goal to reach, to increase in our maturity in Messiah, in our relationship with him,
 

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I am associate rabbi in a Messianic Jewish Congregation, We consider this as part of Judaism, and at the same time, it is Christian, let me explain

The words "Christian" and "Messianic" are one in the same, "Christian" stems from the Greek word "Kristos" and "Messianic" stems from the Hebrew "Mashiach" in the first century, Greek was the popular language, so the two titles were used, "Kristianos" and "Meshichim"

We identify ourselves at our "Kehilah" (congregation) as Messianic believers, or Messianc Jewish believers, there are a mixture of people in our Kehilah, those who were born and raised Jewish, and who have accepted Yeshua as Messiah, and those, (like me) whose background is of mixed religions, yet Judaism is one of them, like for my case, my biological ancestry is of Lutheran, Jewish, and Armenian Orthodox, I have chosen to follow my Jewish ancestry, but never denying who Messiah Yeshua is, (Jesus the Christ)
 

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Shabbat Shalom..............rabbi Ben Avraham

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Your Profile Page says you are a Christian..........yet your signature on your Post says you are a rabbi?

What sect of the Christian Church do you belong to?



I AM associate rabbi at a Messianic Jewish Congregation, some consider Messianic Judaism a Christian denomination, others consider it part of Judaism, we consider it part of Judaism, yet we also identify with Christianity, perhaps I can explain more
In Greek, the word "Christian" stems from "Kristos"or "Kristianos" since Greek was the popular language during the first century, and "Messianic" stems from the Hebrew "Mashiach" or "Meshichim" (plural) yet BOTH means those WHO FOLLOW MESSIAH YESHUA, as did thousands of first century Jews did, they all retained their Jewish identity, yet follow Messiah Yeshua, inspite of the rejection by many other "rabbinic" Jews, who rejected Yeshua.

Our Congregation , or "Kehilah" is comprised of three classes of believers, those who were born and raised in Jewish homes, who have accepted Yeshua as Messiah, those who were raised in other religions, and Christian sects, yet have Jewish ancestry, and those who simply like the basics of the faith, who come to visit from other churches.

 

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Shabbat Shalom..............rabbi Ben Avraham

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Your Profile Page says you are a Christian..........yet your signature on your Post says you are a rabbi?

What sect of the Christian Church do you belong to?



I AM associate rabbi at a Messianic Jewish Congregation, some consider Messianic Judaism a Christian denomination, others consider it part of Judaism, we consider it part of Judaism, yet we also identify with Christianity, perhaps I can explain more
In Greek, the word "Christian" stems from "Kristos"or "Kristianos" since Greek was the popular language during the first century, and "Messianic" stems from the Hebrew "Mashiach" or "Meshichim" (plural) yet BOTH means those WHO FOLLOW MESSIAH YESHUA, as did thousands of first century Jews did, they all retained their Jewish identity, yet follow Messiah Yeshua, inspite of the rejection by many other "rabbinic" Jews, who rejected Yeshua.

Our Congregation , or "Kehilah" is comprised of three classes of believers, those who were born and raised in Jewish homes, who have accepted Yeshua as Messiah, those who were raised in other religions, and Christian sects, yet have Jewish ancestry, and those who simply like the basics of the faith, who come to visit from other churches.

Greetings Ben Avraham,

If you are in Christ and you abide in the word of God, then are you in agreement with the following?

Jesus said: "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers."

"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
 

p_rehbein

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I believe it is both. To explain, when I accepted Christ as Lord and Savior, and was born with a new spirit, and became a new man, the spiritual awareness of the meaning/importance of the Ten Commandments guided me to obey them in spirit as well as in the flesh. I do believe that spiritual obedience precedes physical obedience, but BOTH are important and necessary.


The deeper meaning of the 10 commandments is that it is spiritual. Its a description of the work of God.


When people try to make it a carnal commandment they stumble and fail.

Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;


Hebrew Roots makes the same 'root' mistake.
 

p_rehbein

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Thank you for your comment. I am aware of what the definition of Christian is. :) Just saying.

I would like to clarify somewhat however.............Christians are believers in AND followers of Christ. As such, they believe He is who He says He is, and they FOLLOW the Gospel He gave to His Church. The description of your Congregation troubles me more than a little, however, as I am not part of or party to your specific ideology/theological beliefs, it is not for me to criticize. My Congregation has two classes of people. Those who are believers in and disciples of Christ, and those who have not yet accepted Christ as Lord and Savior. Every Congregation has unsaved members, even if they do not want to admit it, such people are there in attendance. Among those who profess Christ, there are Saved and not yet Sanctified, and Sanctified Believers. Not all believers in a Congregation may be Sanctified.......meaning having been laid hands on and prayed over by the Elders of the Congregation and receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.

I do not know if your Congregation recognizes and teaches the Divinity of Christ and/or the Holy Trinity or not, but, this too, is required of a Christian Congregation. Even though there are those here who disagree, my Congregation stands fast on the belief that only those Church Congregations that believe in and teach the Divinity of Christ and the Holy Trinity are truly Christians.............anyway, thank you for the information.

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Shabbat Shalom..............rabbi Ben Avraham

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Your Profile Page says you are a Christian..........yet your signature on your Post says you are a rabbi?

What sect of the Christian Church do you belong to?



I AM associate rabbi at a Messianic Jewish Congregation, some consider Messianic Judaism a Christian denomination, others consider it part of Judaism, we consider it part of Judaism, yet we also identify with Christianity, perhaps I can explain more
In Greek, the word "Christian" stems from "Kristos"or "Kristianos" since Greek was the popular language during the first century, and "Messianic" stems from the Hebrew "Mashiach" or "Meshichim" (plural) yet BOTH means those WHO FOLLOW MESSIAH YESHUA, as did thousands of first century Jews did, they all retained their Jewish identity, yet follow Messiah Yeshua, inspite of the rejection by many other "rabbinic" Jews, who rejected Yeshua.

Our Congregation , or "Kehilah" is comprised of three classes of believers, those who were born and raised in Jewish homes, who have accepted Yeshua as Messiah, those who were raised in other religions, and Christian sects, yet have Jewish ancestry, and those who simply like the basics of the faith, who come to visit from other churches.

 
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to the OP; Solomon said keeping GODS COMMANDMENTS is our entire purpose in this life (our all and all)
 

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I believe it is both. To explain, when I accepted Christ as Lord and Savior, and was born with a new spirit, and became a new man, the spiritual awareness of the meaning/importance of the Ten Commandments guided me to obey them in spirit as well as in the flesh. I do believe that spiritual obedience precedes physical obedience, but BOTH are important and necessary.
I understand what you are saying.

I think if you are obeying by the spirit then you don't have to worry about the carnal. It automatically follows. That's what I think.

I think when you start worrying about the carnal and try to obey by the carnal you fail. I don't think you get extra points for that.
 

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I AM associate rabbi at a Messianic Jewish Congregation, some consider Messianic Judaism a Christian denomination, others consider it part of Judaism, we consider it part of Judaism, yet we also identify with Christianity, perhaps I can explain more
In Greek, the word "Christian" stems from "Kristos"or "Kristianos" since Greek was the popular language during the first century, and "Messianic" stems from the Hebrew "Mashiach" or "Meshichim" (plural) yet BOTH means those WHO FOLLOW MESSIAH YESHUA, as did thousands of first century Jews did, they all retained their Jewish identity, yet follow Messiah Yeshua, inspite of the rejection by many other "rabbinic" Jews, who rejected Yeshua.

Our Congregation , or "Kehilah" is comprised of three classes of believers, those who were born and raised in Jewish homes, who have accepted Yeshua as Messiah, those who were raised in other religions, and Christian sects, yet have Jewish ancestry, and those who simply like the basics of the faith, who come to visit from other churches.

Do you have most of the Jewish community who follow only Judaism look down on you and ostracize you because of your messianic views?

Or is it more like just another denomination of Judaism, to them?
 

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When my father told me, "If you put it on your plate, you must eat it all," I was not offended. We had gone through a lot of bad times, and wasting food just was not in my character. I knew my father was not upset with me when he gave me this wisdom, he was forming my virtue, and preparing me for life.

My father loved us all. Our Father does too, and His wisdom is not to betaken lightly. All He tells us to do is for our good, all. He i wonderful, but you know that.

God bless all in Jesus Christ..........amen
 

BenAvraham

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Yes, we receive reject and/or indifference from other Jewish denominations, but we're used to that, guess we stand out like a sore thumb, but those of the Jewish community who are opened minded enough to receive the word of God, and to receive Yeshua as Messiah, it is a good thing, we must stand firm, and be good witnesses in spite of the rejection, now some receive us, they say everyone has a right to believe how they want to believe, just don't push it on anyone, but I go shopping at an Orthodox Jewish Judaica, they know my beliefs, yet they receive me, guess when it comes to money, all is "green"
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BenAvraham

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Thank you for your comment. I am aware of what the definition of Christian is. :) Just saying.

I would like to clarify somewhat however.............Christians are believers in AND followers of Christ. As such, they believe He is who He says He is, and they FOLLOW the Gospel He gave to His Church. The description of your Congregation troubles me more than a little, however, as I am not part of or party to your specific ideology/theological beliefs, it is not for me to criticize. My Congregation has two classes of people. Those who are believers in and disciples of Christ, and those who have not yet accepted Christ as Lord and Savior. Every Congregation has unsaved members, even if they do not want to admit it, such people are there in attendance. Among those who profess Christ, there are Saved and not yet Sanctified, and Sanctified Believers. Not all believers in a Congregation may be Sanctified.......meaning having been laid hands on and prayed over by the Elders of the Congregation and receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.

I do not know if your Congregation recognizes and teaches the Divinity of Christ and/or the Holy Trinity or not, but, this too, is required of a Christian Congregation. Even though there are those here who disagree, my Congregation stands fast on the belief that only those Church Congregations that believe in and teach the Divinity of Christ and the Holy Trinity are truly Christians.............anyway, thank you for the information.

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Greetings Ben Avraham,

If you are in Christ and you abide in the word of God, then are you in agreement with the following?

Jesus said: "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers."

"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
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The word/title "Rabbi" has two meanings, One, it is just a title for a teacher, the other meaning is "My exalted one" THIS MEANING, is to be used ONLY for God, so, if one calls another a "Rabbi or Ravi" thinking and looking toward that person as one who is "exalted" that is wrong, and should be corrected, "we are just teachers here on the earth, to teach God's Word, we are not to be "exalted" above others. I say this with humbleness...............Ben Avarahm
 

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Yes, we receive reject and/or indifference from other Jewish denominations, but we're used to that, guess we stand out like a sore thumb, but those of the Jewish community who are opened minded enough to receive the word of God, and to receive Yeshua as Messiah, it is a good thing, we must stand firm, and be good witnesses in spite of the rejection, now some receive us, they say everyone has a right to believe how they want to believe, just don't push it on anyone, but I go shopping at an Orthodox Jewish Judaica, they know my beliefs, yet they receive me, guess when it comes to money, all is "green"
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I figured as much.

I was thinking you were probably spurned by Jews for being too Christian.

And spurned by Christians for being too Jewish.