What is the deeper meaning of the Ten Commandments? EX 18:1-20:26

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BenAvraham

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PARASHA: “Yitro” (Jethro)

EXODUS 18:1-20:26..................ISAIAH 6:1-7:6; 9:5-6...............MATT 27:1-28:20

…..We see in this parasha, a lot of wisdom on the part of Moshe and Yitro, his father-in-law. First, we learn that Moshe had send his wife and children back to stay with father and grandfather. I believe for safe-keeping, When one sees danger, it is wise to care for one's family, as Moshe did, His wife and children might have been in danger, the Egyptians might have retaliated, might have kidnapped his wife and children, or killed them, so Moshe took precaution, which is a good thing.
…...The second piece of wisdom comes from Yitro, He is a man of experience, so he says; “Moshe, what are you doing to this people?” hey, you are only one man, and a few million of them? Come on dude, get wise-er, this isn't a one-man deal here, no such things as “lone-rangers” in ministry, even the “Lone-Ranger” was not alone, he had “Tonto” Ministry is to be shared with other believers, that is why the Ruach Ha Kodesh has given the Spiritual gifts, to be shared, to minister to others, by many, not just one. The rabbi can not do it alone, neither can the pastor. The rabbi needs his co-workers, and so does the pastor, if not, they are going to run themselves ragged. This is called “pastor/rabbi Burn-out”
…..This is the parasha of the “Ten Mitzvoth” the “Ten Commandments” but before the giving of these, YHVH presents the deal to the people, kind of like when the bride-groom presents himself to the bride, these are beautiful words;
…..”Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself, therefore IF you harken unto my voice and keep my covenant, THEN ye shall be my own treasure from among all peoples; for all the earth is mine, and you shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation”
(19:4-6)
…..It is all conditional, like all contracts, covenants, we see the “IF” and “THEN” He says that He bore Israel on eagles' wings. An eagle will carry her young on her wings to protect them from harm. So did YHVH, He brought Israel through the Sea on dry land, and brought them nigh unto Har Sinai, now, they have to decide, will they accept YHVH as their one and only God? And obey HIS words? It is like asking the bride to accept the groom as her only husband, provider, and loving ruler, (not tyrant) BUT..even though Israel broke the covenant many times, YHVH has remained faithful and we are HIS HOLY PEOPLE, his ELECT, whether we were born and raised in Israel or from the nations, doesn't matter, we are HIS because we have accepted HIS sacrifice in YESHUA our “goel” Redeemer, and we choose the follow his Torah, his LIVING Torah. The HE lays out the first 10 of the 613 commandments, which generalize, one can say “all” of the Torah:
…..”ANOCHI YHVH ELOHEIHA” ( I AM ADONAI YOUR GOD) with the I AM emphasized, one can say “Ani” (I) or Anochi (I really AM) He is saying, I am who I have claimed to be, the God who took you out of Egypt and brought you here, I am ready to be your God, so if that is the case, there can only be ONE God in your life, that is ME, I don't want statues of me, that what the Egyptians did, so, don't do as they did, (It took one day to take Israel out of Egypt, but 40 years to take Egypt out of Israel, if you get the meaning). Don't bow down and worship other gods, that will NOT be accepted.
…..Yet we see today, even though we don't make or bow down to silver, gold, wooden statues that symbolize who God is, or TRY to symbolize who he is, sorry guys, they didn't have cameras back then to take pictures, many bow down and consider more important things like; football, soccer, money, sex, TV, fast cars, work, you name it, if these come before our worship and service to our God YHVH, then those things ARE OUR gods!!
put them in their proper places, least YHVH take them from us by force!!
…..THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF YHVH IN VAIN.... What is being said here? When many take oathes, promises, many times the name of GOD is used; like “I swear to God I'll pay you back next week”
Well, if next week roles around and you pay back what you owe, you will have HONORED the NAME of GOD, yet if you don't, you will have taken the NAME of God in vain! It is better not to make promises and use God's name, we can always say “I'll do my best to pay you back as soon as I am able” and leave it at that. One can take the name of the LORD thy GOD in vain without words, our mere actions and comportment speak of God and who He is, if we behave unlike born-again believers, if we behave like a lost person, using foul language in front of others, getting upset and throwing temper fits, we are TAKING HIS NAME IN VAIN. And using those ugly 4 letter words, And other sorts of ugly language...well.. that is not swearing , that is being just plain vulgar.
…..REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY....The sabbath is and always will be Saturday, it was never changed to Sunday, nothing wrong with going to church on Sunday, to me, it is a “double blessing” to worship Adonai two days straight. Yes, the early believers met on the first day of the week (Sunday) to break bread and have fellowship, this was “Havdalah” this was the close of the Sabbath and the welcome of the new week. This was a “custom” that they did, and we still do, it was not a CHANGE of sabbaths. Yeshua resurrected on the first day of the week, Baruch HaShem!! great! And we also can worship on Sundays at local churches, but it was NEVER a change of sabbaths. We should dedicate the sabbath day to be in the Synagogue or at church, to worship, learn from his word through God's chosen ministers, Sunday school teachers, Torah teachers. Go home and rest, or take the family out to lunch, give the wife a break from the kitchen, or eat lunch at the synagogue (Oneg) leave the material things and worldly things to the next day. Rest means rest! I have read in rabbinical commentaries that when “The World keeps the Sabbath perfectly...THEN..Messiah will return!” well, He still has never returned, does that mean that the world has not kept Shabbos perfectly? Guess so. Shabbat is HaSatan's perfect and favorite time to stir up trouble and tempers, so that we will NOT have a restful shabbat. Be aware of that.
…..HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER...This really needs no explanation, it is common sense to honor our parents and respect them because of WHO they are, and what they have done for us. My mom and dad used to say to me; “We went without many times to give you the things that you have today” Our parents give us love, raise us, hopefully, to love God, ( I can't speak for all of you readers, since everyone is different) But, if our parents gave us love and taught us about God and Yeshua/Jesus, then, we ought to do the same for our kids. Honoring father and mother does not mean sticking them in a rest home when they are old and going off and forgetting about them, doesn't work like that. Were your parents rotten to you? Did they mistreat you? Well, love them any way! It is what Yeshua taught.
…..THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.....ever wonder why those three commandments are together? If one commits adultery, sleeps with another man's wife or husband, one is “murdering” a marital relationship, and “stealing” what does not belong to you, being another person's spouse. Yeshua explains it even better, He said if you only “think” of sleeping, having sex with another person's wife or husband, that person has already committed adultery in his or her mind, it gets pretty intense if you look at it that way. “Murder” does NOT include going to war and fighting for your nation, you are DEFENDING your family and homeland. “Stealing?” that can be a two or three page explanation, If you come back late from lunch, you are “stealing” time from your employer, if you do not do your very best, then you are “stealing” from your employer, your own ability and usefulness. Can a man rob God? Malachi says, “Yes” God speaking through his prophet, “You have ROBBED me of your tithes and offerings” One can rob from God when we do not utilize our spiritual gifts, or waste them on worldly things.
…..DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS....this is another lengthy subject, but with simple words, always tell the truth, and do not hide the truth from others. To know that some thieves are planning to rob your neighbor, and you remain silent and do not alert your neighbor, it is if you opened your neighbor's door for the thieves, you are be false. To tell a half-truth, is to be false. Yes, the truth at times can be costly, and painful, but being false can be worse.
…..DO NOT COVET.... Be satisfied with what you have, the job you have, the bank account you have, with the car you have, with the wife or husband you have...Coveting can lead to worse crimes, Look at Achen, who coveted the Babylonian tunic and gold from Jericho, it cost him his life, and his family's lives too. If you want more than you have already, take it to the LORD in prayer, if the LORD sees that there is nothing wrong with giving you a little more, HE will give it to you in HIS perfect time. You never know, people with “more things” usually have “more headaches” or “more” to worry about. I remember what the TV preacher Rex Humbard said once, “God may give you what you want, but you're not going to want what you get!” So, give thanks for what you already have, when we go to heaven, we will leave it ALL BEHIND.

ISAIAH 6:1-7:6

…..”KADOSH, KADOSH, KADOSH, ADONAI TZEVA'OT”.... Holy, Holy, Holy, is YHVH of hosts” When the Torah mentions the “Holiness” of God, the word is KADOSH, the “O” is there, (the letter “vav” in Hebrew) but when “holiness” is mentioned referring to mankind, the “O” is missing, and we have KAD_SH, this “missing “vav” symbolizes our “incompleteness of our holiness, because of our inborn “sin nature”
…..Yeshayahu (Isaiah) is being asked by God, “Whom shall I send, who will go for US?” (Elohim) The Prophet answers, “Here am I, send me!” and God responds, “Go, and tell the people!” That should be our attitude as well, we have those orders too from God, to “tell the people” about Yeshua, to teach those who will listen, his WORD, even though many will not understand at the beginning, or will refuse, we have to try, WE (all believers) are responsible for taking the “Good News” to others who will listen, and with the modern technology, the internet, this has become possible, what used to be almost impossible, now is possible, with fingers going across the keyboard and with the click of the mouse, the word is sent out.
…..Isaiah must be saying right now, “Oh how I wish I had a laptop back then!”

MATTHEW 27:1-28:20

…..This relates the age old story of Yeshua's trial, execution, and resurrection, this story we know well, He did it to pay the price of our sins, past, present, and future, His one time only sacrifice was good for ever, and still IS good for ever. But many people still reject this sacrifice, reject this free gift of salvation, for a short lived world of pleasure, for an eternity of suffering and pain.
…..Pilate wrote these words on the cross, YESHUA OF NAZARETH, KING OF THE JEWS, in Hebrew it would have been 'YESHUA HA NOTZRI, V'HA MELECH Y'HUDIM. Within this title are the letters YHVH, which explain who Yeshua is really, God on earth, made flesh and blood, whose blood was shed to set us free.


Shabbat Shalom..............rabbi Ben Avraham
 

Zmouth

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I take the Ten Commandments at face value.
0 really? Some might say that response was kinda shallow :rolleyes:

But shallow would be loving the praise of men more than the praise of God, yet the term face value reminds me of the Deck of Cards song.
But deeper meaning seems it might be by hearing the 1st Commandment, the LORD himself will reveal the other nine written on your heart. And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:


Yet for sake of discussion, seems that what is being cited in the OP are statues, not the 10 Commandments but I digress since the anointing you have received of him shall teach you all things. But I still count more than 10 regardless of which Book of Moses one uses.


  • Exodus 20 simply begins with, "And God spake all these words, saying,..."


  • Deuteronomy 5 begins with "...Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them."


Exodus 20

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
# 1
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
# 2
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
#3
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
#4
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
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8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
?
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
# 5
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
# 6
13 Thou shalt not kill.
# 7
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
# 8
15 Thou shalt not steal.
# 9
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
# 10
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.
26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.


Deuteronomy 5

KDeut 5:2-6:1
2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
5(I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the work of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
# 1
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
# 2
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
# 3
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
# 4
11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
?
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
?
13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
# 5
14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
?
16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
# 6
17 Thou shalt not kill.
# 7
18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
# 8
19 Neither shalt thou steal.
# 9
20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
# 10
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
26 For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
27 Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
28 And the LORD heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the LORD said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
30 Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
31 But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.
32 Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
33 Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.
 
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0 really? Some might say that response was kinda shallow :rolleyes:

But shallow would be loving the praise of men more than the praise of God, yet the term face value reminds me of the Deck of Cards song.
But deeper meaning seems it might be by hearing the 1st Commandment, the LORD himself will reveal the other nine written on your heart. And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:


Yet for sake of discussion, seems that what is being cited in the OP are statues, not the 10 Commandments but I digress since the anointing you have received of him shall teach you all things. But I still count more than 10 regardless of which Book of Moses one uses.


  • Exodus 20 simply begins with, "And God spake all these words, saying,..."


  • Deuteronomy 5 begins with "...Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them."


Exodus 20

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
# 1
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
# 2
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
#3
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
#4
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
?
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
?
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
# 5
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
?
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
# 6
13 Thou shalt not kill.
# 7
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
# 8
15 Thou shalt not steal.
# 9
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
# 10
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.
26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.


Deuteronomy 5

KDeut 5:2-6:1
2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
5(I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the work of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
# 1
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
# 2
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
# 3
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
# 4
11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
?
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
?
13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
# 5
14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
?
16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
# 6
17 Thou shalt not kill.
# 7
18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
# 8
19 Neither shalt thou steal.
# 9
20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
# 10
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
26 For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
27 Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
28 And the LORD heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the LORD said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
30 Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
31 But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.
32 Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
33 Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.
I just think we should obey the Lord's commandments.
 

BenAvraham

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Hey, I like the coin in your pic, I have two like that, one from the Boston Tea Party year, 1773, and another from 1730, British Half-Penny
 
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Yes, indeed, we can take the commandments at face value and also, look deeper into them to get the whole meaning,
I think some people who look for a deeper meaning in the commandments neglect to obey them.
 
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Hey, I like the coin in your pic, I have two like that, one from the Boston Tea Party year, 1773, and another from 1730, British Half-Penny
I'd like to have some colonial coins, but now that I'm retired, I don't have a lot of money to spend.
 

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I just think we should obey the Lord's commandments.
So do I. Commandments are given with the purpose of being obeyed.
People in the OT could not because they lacked the Power of the Holy Spirit -
but now we have the gift of the Holy Spirit available we should be able to keep them, at least be 'willing to.
The purpose of keeping them is to bring man into line with 'God's Will' thus 'uniting us with Him, creating fellowship and a deeper relationship.
How can we do that if we nail them to the cross or die to them as some believe ? Scripture tells us the Commandments are spiritual, holy, just and good - if they are kept in the right Spirit of Christ.
 

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Shabbat Shalom..............rabbi Ben Avraham

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Your Profile Page says you are a Christian..........yet your signature on your Post says you are a rabbi?

What sect of the Christian Church do you belong to?

(just wondering)

 

p_rehbein

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Oh, ok........read through the OP...........and quite a chore for me given that I suffer from O.T.D.

So, you are just pushing Jewish ideology............ok, if that is what you believe..........folks can push what they want I suppose

As well, many of your "deeper meaning" comments are nothing more than reading the Commandment, and realizing what it says.............ON FACE VALUE...........you are just "adding to" the Commandment by giving common sense explanations that Sunday School children know already........soooooo

A few of the others are being "added to" with a Jewish flavor, the Law............and that, in my opinion, is where you and I will part ways............I know some believe the Law of the Jews is one in the same with the Ten Commandments, but I disagree with passion. And..............that is just me I suspect............but the two are very different things.

Anyway, y'all enjoy your discussion
 
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The Ten Commandments were given to the children of Israel in the dessert to identify sin. It is not a checklist for salvation. The point of one rule in the Garden of Eden was to demonstrate even if we had everything we needed, with a woman to satisfy us, and the Creator walking with us every day, we still sin. One stinking rule, it's not like they were starving. That's the point right there, man is not good enough and he is naturally disobedient. It doesn't matter how you interpret the Ten Commandments, the point is man will always want more. It is this desire for something that you don't have that will lead you to sin. It's not the act, it's the desire. The spiritual birth that Christ spoke of is the realignment of our minds to be not focused on the flesh. That focus leads to sin and death. To be spiritually minded is love for God and others. When our focus is on others it is off of ourselves.
 

p_rehbein

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If this comment was in response to my comment (and do not know it was) then..........well, yeah.......I certainly never said they were a CHECKLIST FOR SALVATION.
(just saying)


The Ten Commandments were given to the children of Israel in the dessert to identify sin. It is not a checklist for salvation. The point of one rule in the Garden of Eden was to demonstrate even if we had everything we needed, with a woman to satisfy us, and the Creator walking with us every day, we still sin. One stinking rule, it's not like they were starving. That's the point right there, man is not good enough and he is naturally disobedient. It doesn't matter how you interpret the Ten Commandments, the point is man will always want more. It is this desire for something that you don't have that will lead you to sin. It's not the act, it's the desire. The spiritual birth that Christ spoke of is the realignment of our minds to be not focused on the flesh. That focus leads to sin and death. To be spiritually minded is love for God and others. When our focus is on others it is off of ourselves.
 
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The Bible says that love works no ill towards their neighbor;therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,and we follow the two greatest commandments love God,and love people,which creation testifies that there is a God that loves people,so the world is without excuse.

It is all about love God,and love people.

Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,which are the moral laws,laws of love.

That is what the ten commandments are,love God,and love people,so they are required to be kept,for although there were physical laws in the Old Testament,there was still the spiritual law.

The ten commandments are a requirement to be right with God,as well as obeying all moral laws,laws of love,for they are spiritual laws,not physical laws.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

But the sabbath in the New Testament is a spiritual sabbath by the Holy Spirit,and not a physical day of rest.
 
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Oh..,,it's a Hebrew roots pretend holiness spew,,,,

Thought maybe it was how Jesus talked about His higher standard of heart purity: adultery is not just the act but lust of the woman before hand, etc.
.instead it's just private interpretation with pretend Hebrew word "wisdom"
 
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Here is the numbering zmouth

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If this comment was in response to my comment (and do not know it was) then..........well, yeah.......I certainly never said they were a CHECKLIST FOR SALVATION.
(just saying)
No Sir, just a commentary to the many who look to the Ten Commandments as a path for life. They are not intended to be rules to follow. That is what Christ was trying to get across. They were given to people with hardened hearts as guidelines, to identify sin. A Christian doesn't avoid murdering people because it's wrong. A Christian is so full of love that the thought to hurt another doesn't even enter the picture. A Christian doesn't covet because he/she is too busy seeking God to notice what his/her neighbor has that they don't. The Christian's mind and heart is not set on desires of the flesh so adultery is not even a temptation. Christ was saying that if you even have the desire to harm other and have sex with another man's wife then your heart is not aligned with God and you are not spiritually reborn. A hard lesson I know.
 
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Yes, indeed, we can take the commandments at face value and also, look deeper into them to get the whole meaning,
one would think , you do not understand, what grace is or unmerited faviour is.
the whole law of the land for the jewish people. (isreal) the jewish leaders were correct this law was given to a what became a jewish nation. an lets not forget the relationship this law had with a temple of stone. yet 70 ad would give you this problem , how can you follow the full law. how do you get forgiveness, for your sin, you cannot take an animal to the temple.

what is the whole meaning to this verse.

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9
 

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The deeper meaning of the 10 commandments is that it is spiritual. Its a description of the work of God.


When people try to make it a carnal commandment they stumble and fail.

Romans 9:31-32
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;


Hebrew Roots makes the same 'root' mistake.[/FONT]
 
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Command yourself you'll be good to go. :)