GIANTS

samuel23 · Feb 20, 2017

Hi Adstar: I never won the argument because I still do not know where giants come from, my checkmate was for those who insist that giants were the offspring of angels and humans. Why people keep hanging on to this idea I do not know. The bible itself does not agree with it and neither does common sense(however it is popular). Angels did take human wives and had sons that had great physical abilities (being part angel).

sevenseas · Feb 20, 2017

dcontroversal said:

I'm not trying to be mean, but I find her posts confusing. I guess that is being direct without being direct?

Are tin foil hats required for catching these hidden comments?

I agree regarding the miraculous. Perhaps some see these things as just stories? I have known a few people like that. They say they believe the Bible, but only the parts they believe. They don't quite put it that way though.

trofimus · Feb 20, 2017

Giants does not have to mean that they were physically enormous, it can mean they were very powerful.

So there does not have to be a problem with childbirth.

sevenseas · Feb 20, 2017

dcontroversal said:

But that does not make sense. That is illogical to say the least. God was speaking of His Son and not an entire line of 'seeds' or whatever.

As Jesus cast demons out of people, why would a person assume that those with demons are of the devil?

I don't follow this line of thought.

samuel23 · Feb 20, 2017

I read where angels could not cross with humans because it would be like crossing an elephant with a dog...don't think so, angels were often mistaken for young men, God made man a "little" lower then the angels. There is no doubt in my mind that some kind of angels did cross with human women, it is clearly stated in Genesis and explained in Jude, so it happened. We are not told why these particular angels could cross with humans but we are told that it was not normal(compared to homosexuality) and that the penalty was severe(eternal destruction). Their offspring would probably be like the offspring between a horse and a donkey...cannot reproduce. We need to keep in mind that there are all kinds of angels and they have a free will as do humans.

Hungry · Feb 20, 2017

Hungry said:

A closer examination reveals that it doesn't state that giants were the result of hybrids. Maybe they all were giants in the days before the flood. Given their long lives this isn't a stretch whatsoever. Maybe because of the new life span the giants wouldn't have had enough compatible mates and eventually died off or became NBA players.

dcontroversal · Feb 20, 2017

sevenseas said:

Disjointed is a word that comes to mind......Jude is clear......HE compares what they angels did with what took place in Sodom....there is no denying it....it is there in black and white.....I don't know why it is so hard for people to accept it other than maybe they sat under their favorite preacher or family member who vehemently denied it at some time or another....

I remember the argument between Greek students in the school I attended....the evidence in Jude is clear and Peter as well....

And the whole SAVED men (Sons of God) Sethites and Daughters of men (word is Adam) having sex and producing Giants is ridiculous.....as a matter of fact...ADAM is called a SON of GOD...after that the saying is not applied unto men until the N.T. if I remember right....

Men are addressed by God as the SON of MAN or SONS of MEN.........I guess Ezekiel was not saved....he is not called a Son of God

Ezekiel...Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

The heavens are the heavens of the LORD, But the earth He has given to the sons of men.

The LORD looks from heaven; He sees all the sons of men; From His dwelling place He looks out On all the inhabitants of the earth,

EVEN JESUS

Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

garee · Feb 20, 2017

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them
Gen 6:1

Men began to multiply not angels that have no seed .The idea of spirit beings giving birth to the flesh only shows the spirit of the antichrist is working to spread his lying signs and wonders.

Men that have dna where created in the image of God with the ability to procreate. Angels were not created in the image of God. God did not say let us create angels in our image after our likeness.

Gen 1:27 So God created man (not angels) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; “male and female” created he them.

Sons of God pertaining to spirit being without any form and not made from the rudiments of this world cannot reproduce they have no seed.

And it came to pass, when menbegan to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that healso is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:1

That section is simply saying the sons of God where being unevenly yoked with unbelievers in jeopardy of missing the spiritual seed Christ by which all men (not angels) are born again from above.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Angels have no flesh they are spirits and not subject to salvation. The spiritual seed Christ was preserved all the way up to the birth of the son of man Jesus.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Eve who was taken from man is the mother of all flesh. Cains wife one of her children.

Angel procreating with another kind make good Hollywood drama stories but are not a biblical teaching.

sevenseas · Feb 20, 2017

samuel23 said:

So then you do think that angels did procreate with human women? I wasn't sure what you thought about it.

I don't think we are left with a clear picture as to what the results might have looked like or if they could reproduce themselves.

There are many theories out there but I am inclined to believe some may still have the DNA of angels which I suppose makes me heretic of some sort.

Oh well. I know I'm not.

dcontroversal · Feb 20, 2017

garee said:

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them
Gen 6:1

Men began to multiply not angels that have no seed .The idea of spirit beings giving birth to the flesh only shows the spirit of the antichrist is working to spread his lying signs and wonders.

Men that have dna where created in the image of God with the ability to procreate. Angels were not created in the image of God. God did not say let us create angels in our image after our likeness.

Gen 1:27 So God created man (not angels) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; “male and female” created he them.

Sons of God pertaining to spirit being without any form and not made from the rudiments of this world cannot reproduce they have no seed.

And it came to pass, when menbegan to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that healso is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:1

That section is simply saying the sons of God where being unevenly yoked with unbelievers in jeopardy of missing the spiritual seed Christ by which all men (not angels) are born again from above.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Angels have no flesh they are spirits and not subject to salvation. The spiritual seed Christ was preserved all the way up to the birth of the son of man Jesus.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Eve who was taken from man is the mother of all flesh. Cains wife one of her children.

Angel procreating with another kind make good Hollywood drama stories but are not a biblical teaching.

Take it up with Jude....he is the one that made the comparison under inspiration.....I will take his inspiration and verbiage over an entire book that you may or may not write!

So...why did Lot offer his daughters over the angels is SODOM, or why did the men want to have sex with spirits that cannot be touched or are beyond that?

What about the three that ATE with Abraham.....

Holes all through your theories......serious!

Hungry · Feb 20, 2017

garee said:

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them
Gen 6:1

Men began to multiply not angels that have no seed .The idea of spirit beings giving birth to the flesh only shows the spirit of the antichrist is working to spread his lying signs and wonders.

Men that have dna where created in the image of God with the ability to procreate. Angels were not created in the image of God. God did not say let us create angels in our image after our likeness.

Gen 1:27 So God created man (not angels) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; “male and female” created he them.

Sons of God pertaining to spirit being without any form and not made from the rudiments of this world cannot reproduce they have no seed.

And it came to pass, when menbegan to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that healso is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:1

That section is simply saying the sons of God where being unevenly yoked with unbelievers in jeopardy of missing the spiritual seed Christ by which all men (not angels) are born again from above.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Angels have no flesh they are spirits and not subject to salvation. The spiritual seed Christ was preserved all the way up to the birth of the son of man Jesus.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Eve who was taken from man is the mother of all flesh. Cains wife one of her children.

Angel procreating with another kind make good Hollywood drama stories but are not a biblical teaching.

Please indicate any scripture that states anything other than the Spirit of God that is referred to as spirit exclusively.

garee · Feb 20, 2017

sevenseas said:

Angel as ministering spirits are not created from the rudiments of this world they have no dna. The verse in Genesis 6 is simply informing us the sons of God as believers where unevenly yoked with unconverted women. This jeopardized
the spiritual seed of Christ by which all men (not angels) are born again after. Angel that have no dna are not subject to salvation.

dcontroversal · Feb 20, 2017

garee said:

Angel as ministering spirits are not created from the rudiments of this world they have no dna. The verse in Genesis 6 is simply informing us the sons of God as believers where unevenly yoked with unconverted women. This jeopardized
the spiritual seed of Christ by which all men (not angels) are born again after. Angel that have no dna are not subject to salvation.

Yeah..ok....another assumption not supported by the text....

sevenseas · Feb 20, 2017

garee said:

Angels are far from just ministering spirits. Lucifer was not a ministering spirit nor Gabriel.

The Bible confirms different types of angels.

There is nothing simple in the book of Genesis and certainly not the 6th chapter.

I do not believe anything whatsoever that God decides to do is jeopardized.

Are you aware of the ability of humans to altar DNA, to change the very fabric of what we are made of?

Who really knows what angels can and cannot do

samuel23 · Feb 20, 2017

The story of Hercules probably came from what happened before the flood. He was a normal size man but very well built and very strong. I do not believe that any of the cross between humans and angels survived the flood.

garee · Feb 20, 2017

The Spirit of God created flesh from the rudiments of this and breathed in the spirit essence of life. Angels are created spirits that have no substance after the the rudiments of this world. Satan the father of lies who has no form in order to to draw men away from God who has no form put his word in the mouth a creature that does have form.

Attempting to give angels form is the Antichrists' methodology. We should not be surprised he is still trying to reach his goal of taking on the form of man..

The verse in mind is simply teaching believers are not to be unevenly yoked with those who have no faith, a froward generation ,the generation of Adam, natural unconverted men.

The spiritual seed Christ was passed on to Noah.

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (not angels) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.Gen 6:1

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

dcontroversal · Feb 20, 2017

garee said:

The Spirit of God created flesh from the rudiments of this and breathed in the spirit essence of life. Angels are created spirits that have no substance after the the rudiments of this world. Satan the father of lies who has no form in order to to draw men away from God who has no form put his word in the mouth a creature that does have form.

Attempting to give angels form is the Antichrists' methodology. We should not be surprised he is still trying to reach his goal of taking on the form of man..

The verse in mind is simply teaching believers are not to be unevenly yoked with those who have no faith, a froward generation ,the generation of Adam, natural unconverted men.

The spiritual seed Christ was passed on to Noah.

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (not angels) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.Gen 6:1

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The above proves your error...

1. The angels that took form and flesh (Sodom)
2. The angels that ATE with Abraham
3. Lucifer who FELL and took the form of the SERPENT

and this just off the top of my head.....and your John verse has zero to do with angels.....and speaks of a spiritual birth IN MAN.....

Hungry · Feb 20, 2017

garee said:

The Spirit of God created flesh from the rudiments of this and breathed in the spirit essence of life. Angels are created spirits that have no substance after the the rudiments of this world. Satan the father of lies who has no form in order to to draw men away from God who has no form put his word in the mouth a creature that does have form.

Attempting to give angels form is the Antichrists' methodology. We should not be surprised he is still trying to reach his goal of taking on the form of man..

The verse in mind is simply teaching believers are not to be unevenly yoked with those who have no faith, a froward generation ,the generation of Adam, natural unconverted men.

The spiritual seed Christ was passed on to Noah.

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (not angels) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.Gen 6:1

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Is this proof that you can't find any scripture? I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just trying to get you to see that your theology is based on your opinion and not scripture.

Ariel82 · Feb 20, 2017

Perhaps we should examine all scriptures that talks about angels?

dcontroversal · Feb 20, 2017

What was the strange FLESH that the inhabitants of Sodom went after....?

The ONLY things we know that they went after..........

MEN with MEN

and they attempted to "KNOW" the angels "they called MEN" that came into LOT'S house

WE do NOT have to guess and or SURMISE.......it is in BLACK and WHITE...........

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