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So to the two Canadians on this thread.

I was driving back to Vermont the other day from Montreal and about 2 miles from the border was a small town on Lake Champlain by the name of Phillipsburg. I took the short road to it. It is a town that sits on lake Champlain.

The lake at that juncture is only about 4 miles wide, and not nearly as deep as in Burlington. It was completely frozen, which it is not in Burlington, only 42 miles further south.

I saw literally maybe about 100 cars on the lake, and maybe about 250 people. Adults, children, older people, etc. Some were ice fishing, some were riding motor bikes and bicycles, some were taking brisk walks, some snow mobiling, and some were even barbecuing!

And there were small out house size structures made out of wood dotted all over the lake. People were going in and out of them. They were made of wood and so small you can fit maybe only 8 to 10 people in them standing up, maybe only 3 or 4 if they are sitting down in chairs.

It was like a day at the beach, but just happened to be on the lake.

I spent about 2 hours out there myself. Drove my car to the middle of the lake, where the "road" stopped. Then walked to about within a half a mile of the NYS side. I thought I better turn around least the border patrol maybe hassle me, even though I had my passport. I was not sure, being still about a half mile from shore, but I think some of the border patrol were in sitting in cars close to shore on the NYS side.

I have never seen this before. It was a new pleasant experience for me. The people were very nice.
We do not have this on the Vermont side of the lake.

My question: is this a long standing Canadian tradition or something? Is this common in Canada?


it's a big deal in the province of Quebec I believe, so coming out of Montreal, that would be a normal sight

when you live in the frozen north, you have to make your own fun and sitting in a cabin on a frozen lake seems to be fun for some people

I actually tried it once. Once.
 
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So to the two Canadians on this thread.

I was driving back to Vermont the other day from Montreal and about 2 miles from the border was a small town on Lake Champlain by the name of Phillipsburg. I took the short road to it. It is a town that sits on lake Champlain.

The lake at that juncture is only about 4 miles wide, and not nearly as deep as in Burlington. It was completely frozen, which it is not in Burlington, only 42 miles further south.

I saw literally maybe about 100 cars on the lake, and maybe about 250 people. Adults, children, older people, etc. Some were ice fishing, some were riding motor bikes and bicycles, some were taking brisk walks, some snow mobiling, and some were even barbecuing!

And there were small out house size structures made out of wood dotted all over the lake. People were going in and out of them. They were made of wood and so small you can fit maybe only 8 to 10 people in them standing up, maybe only 3 or 4 if they are sitting down in chairs.

It was like a day at the beach, but just happened to be on the lake.

I spent about 2 hours out there myself. Drove my car to the middle of the lake, where the "road" stopped. Then walked to about within a half a mile of the NYS side. I thought I better turn around least the border patrol maybe hassle me, even though I had my passport. I was not sure, being still about a half mile from shore, but I think some of the border patrol were in sitting in cars close to shore on the NYS side.

I have never seen this before. It was a new pleasant experience for me. The people were very nice.
We do not have this on the Vermont side of the lake.

My question: is this a long standing Canadian tradition or something? Is this common in Canada?
I'm located in Windsor, Ontario, south of Detroit, Mich. We don't get ice that reliable. My understanding was that ice fishing trips were expeditions that some men take to temporarily escape their crappy marriages. I can't imagine any other reason for freezing your butt off in solitude. I'm not there....yet.
 
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I'm located in Windsor, Ontario, south of Detroit, Mich. we don't get ice that reliable. My understanding was that ice fishing trips were expeditions that some men take to temporarily escape their crappy marriages. I can't imagine any other reason for freezing your butt of in solitude. I'm not there....yet.

I've been to Windsor. My husband grew up in Michigan.

Our marriage is good LOL!

So how about those winter sports?
 
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I've been to Windsor. My husband grew up in Michigan.

Our marriage is good LOL!

So how about those winter sports?
I've two kids in hockey (one being aaa travel) and a daughter who figure skates competitively. They all have summer sports also. Getting out isn't as much an issue as finding something for myself to do, other than driving.
 

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PART 2
Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. The angelic beings were never made to reproduce of their kind, but rather they were all created at the same time before God formed the earth, Job 38-7…They do not procreate. Marriage is for the purpose of procreating Gen 2 & 3.
Angels don’t marry, however the language in Genesis 6 is clearly that of marriage.
The reason why they don't marry is because they are all male. All angels are male.
 

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I've been to Windsor. My husband grew up in Michigan.

Our marriage is good LOL!

So how about those winter sports?
I grew up in Detroit and have been to Windsor quite a few times usually via the Ambassador Bridge. Currently living in sunny Florida. My daughter still lives in Michigan in Lansing. I lived there too for 10 years.
 
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It takes one who grew up in Detroit to fully appreciate the sunshine, especially this time of year.
 
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The reason why they don't marry is because they are all male. All angels are male.
Maybe all of the female angels are just too stuck up so they are looking for love in all the wrong places.
 
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I grew up in Detroit and have been to Windsor quite a few times usually via the Ambassador Bridge. Currently living in sunny Florida. My daughter still lives in Michigan in Lansing. I lived there too for 10 years.


ahh yes. the good ole Ambassador Bridge

My husband has mentioned Lansing and Ann Arbor I think it is?
 
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sevenseas

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Now I'm thinking of the 1000 Islands...so beautiful.

I need a road trip LOL!
 

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Emphatic arguments about things that we have absolutely no way to be certain is intellectual dishonesty. All any of us can do is gather facts and guess. If you have determined that there is no validity to any hybrid species between human and non-human, you have ignored many historical discoveries and translation errors in the Bible. As well, huge assumptions have been fabricated about non-human beings.
If you are saying we cannot be certain then you are being dishonest to turn around and try to make your case. Scripture explicitly states that each reproduces after its own kind (Gen 1:24) so there is no guessing required. I gave the Scripture. You give your slanted illogical opinion.

1st Corinthians 15:39"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
 

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I'm located in Windsor, Ontario, south of Detroit, Mich. We don't get ice that reliable. My understanding was that ice fishing trips were expeditions that some men take to temporarily escape their crappy marriages. I can't imagine any other reason for freezing your butt off in solitude. I'm not there....yet.
Your mention of Windsor reminds me of visiting my grandparents in Detroit back in the 1960's. We always concluded our visit by going through the tunnel to Windsor and then traveling north to the Georgian Bay area. Just beautiful.

But one time we traveled to London, Hamilton, around the lake to Toronto to visit the Canadian Exhibition before returning to North Carolina.

Without exception I have found Canada to be very beautiful - the land and the people.
 
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If you are saying we cannot be certain then you are being dishonest to turn around and try to make your case. Scripture explicitly states that each reproduces after its own kind (Gen 1:24) so there is no guessing required. I gave the Scripture. You give your slanted illogical opinion.

1st Corinthians 15:39"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

The word used for God here actually properly translates to gods, plural. This verse may in fact say that the gods made men like them, in their "likeness". It all depends what you want it to say. Is that why the sons of the gods, found the daughters of men attractive and were able to produce offspring? The interpretation may not be popular, but it's not incorrect. I'm not even saying it says that. I'm just saying it could. Who knows?
 

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Connecting anomalies within human genetics and saying it necessarily has to be from angels reproducing with women is a stretch, to put it lightly. Freakish adaptations and mutations in nature stump even the most skilled biologist, but God has spoken on the matter. What do you think of these vegetables? Has Satan has his way with them as well? No doubt some would say there is no other viable explanation, and it would make as much sense as saying what some here are saying about humans mating with angels and producing offspring against a clear teaching of Scripture to the contrary.



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26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

The word used for God here actually properly translates to gods, plural. This verse may in fact say that the gods made men like them, in their "likeness". It all depends what you want it to say. Is that why the sons of the gods, found the daughters of men attractive and were able to produce offspring? The interpretation may not be popular, but it's not incorrect. I'm not even saying it says that. I'm just saying it could. Who knows?
Most people understand God to be a plurality. God is not copulating with His creation to create man. It is a very popular view to say angels and women had sex and had children, against the clear teaching of Scriptures that God's creations reproduce after their own kid.
 
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The reason why they don't marry is because they are all male. All angels are male.
The bible strictly limits procreation to those of their KIND..an angel and humans are of a different kind....Angles were all created in an instant, and have no need for reproduction, plus they never die. How did they drown in the flood? All its takes is a little common sense to see through this charade for dollars...
 

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God is very well understood by many to be a plurality. What has that got to do with this topic? Scripture clearly teaches that each reproduce after their own kind. To say otherwise is to be blatantly dishonest about what is explicitly written. It is very popular to hold to what Scripture teaches against regarding the origin of Nephilim.
 

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ahh yes. the good ole Ambassador Bridge

My husband has mentioned Lansing and Ann Arbor I think it is?
Yes, Lansing is the state capital and Ann Arbor is where the University of Michigan is located. I've been too Sarnia, Ontario also and to Niagara Falls, Ontario twice. That's a fun place to visit as there is so much to do and see.
 
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Most people understand God to be a plurality. God is not copulating with His creation to create man. It is a very popular view to say angels and women had sex and had children, against the clear teaching of Scriptures that God's creations reproduce after their own kid.
Most people can't even agree what plurality God is, whether there is three or one with different forms. Regardless, if different types of the same species can produce offspring like a mule (horse, donkey), liger (lion, tiger), or cabbit (cat, rabbit), then if the text is accurately written as gods, and we are created to be in their image then who knows. I'm not advocating for either. I'm just saying if our mind is closed, then we might miss something important. That's all. The passage you gave does not claim that there are not superior beings with terrestrial forms. It was just trying to explain that our Lord is capable of creating new uncorruptable bodies for us at the resurrection. Maybe you are right, I don't know. I'm just willing to admit I don't know. I feel that there would be better discussions and less debates if everybody was willing to admit that they don't know for sure either.
 

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Most people can't even agree what plurality God is, whether there is three or one with different forms. Regardless, if different types of the same species can produce offspring like a mule (horse, donkey), liger (lion, tiger), or cabbit (cat, rabbit), then if the text is accurately written as gods, and we are created to be in their image then who knows. I'm not advocating for either. I'm just saying if our mind is closed, then we might miss something important. That's all. The passage you gave does not claim that there are not superior beings with terrestrial forms. It was just trying to explain that our Lord is capable of creating new uncorruptable bodies for us at the resurrection. Maybe you are right, I don't know. I'm just willing to admit I don't know. I feel that there would be better discussions and less debates if everybody was willing to admit that they don't know for sure either.
God is not having sex with His creation to create it. The text I gave explicitly stated a couple of things, quite unequivocally, very important, so pay attention: ONE- each reproduce after their own kind. TWO- Angels and humans are of different kinds. Got it? Good. Therefore, humans cannot have the progeny of angels, which means Nephilim are something else, not what people are proposing. What you want to speculate about them beyond that is your business, but this is the BIBLE discussion forum. The Bible also clearly identifies human beings as the sons of God, but there is no sexual congress anywhere implicit and certainly not explicit in any of that, between God or Jesus Christ and those who come to Him in faith. Yes, we will be recreated anew following the resurrection. Again, what has that got to do with the completely unBiblical view of demonic beings copulating with humans? If you are really confused about the very basics of salvation, perhaps you could start a new thread.