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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird88 View Post
    where does the bible say this? the bible says different.
    Gen 4 26
    To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.
    call upon the name of the Most High means they profained His Holy Name. that was the sons of seth.
    To call upon God does not mean to profane Him, it means to seek, believe, and trust in Him.

    Peter and Paul declared, “Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved”
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird88 View Post
    where does the bible say this? the bible says different.
    Gen 4 26
    To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.
    call upon the name of the Most High means they profained His Holy Name. that was the sons of seth.

    ok I have a question. How do you get calling upon the name of The LORD means they profaned His Holly Name?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    To call upon God does not mean to profane Him, it means to seek, believe, and trust in Him.

    Peter and Paul declared, “Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved”
    To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.

    Hebrew - chalal qara shem - than began men to call upon the name
    strong 2490c. chalal - to pollute, defile, profane
    Leviticus 19 12
    You shall not swear by my name falsely, and so profane the name of your God: I am the LORD.

    strong 2455. chol from chalal - profaneness, commonness

    i dont think Peter and Paul are speaking of the same thing.

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    It could mean either way, they begin to call on the name of the Lord, could have been them seeking God, or it could mean profaning the name of God, no one knows for sure and the context could go either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    It could mean either way, they begin to call on the name of the Lord, could have been them seeking God, or it could mean profaning the name of God, no one knows for sure and the context could go either way.
    Gen 4 ends on this point, Gen 5 list the generations, Gen 6 continues the story and begins right away with the forbidden union and corruption. at which point did it begin, the end of Gen 4 or beginning of Gen 6? if Gen 4 is ending on a good point, men doing good in the eyes of the Father, how did they end up in the position they were in in Gen 6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    It could mean either way, they begin to call on the name of the Lord, could have been them seeking God, or it could mean profaning the name of God, no one knows for sure and the context could go either way.
    The context sure seems to indicate that is was men began to profane His name. The next story is a world wide flood. And in Chapter 5 Methusala means His death shall bring the Flood.
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    the truth.............

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    there is women angels too Zechariah 5:9 9Then I lifted up my eyes and looked, and there two women were coming out with the wind in their wings; and they had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heavens. 10I said to the angel who was speaking with me, "Where are they taking the ephah?"…


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    Quote Originally Posted by JIMBO43 View Post
    there is women angels too Zechariah 5:9 9Then I lifted up my eyes and looked, and there two women were coming out with the wind in their wings; and they had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heavens. 10I said to the angel who was speaking with me, "Where are they taking the ephah?"…
    Zechariah might of seen a vision of two women,for there would be a meaning there,but there is no female angels,for there is no gender in heaven,and when the saints put off the flesh,and are in heaven,there is no gender between them,and all the angels are the same,and are known by a masculine name,for they are mightier than people.Gender only refers to the flesh,not in the heavenly realm.

    Mat 22:23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
    Mat 22:24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
    Mat 22:25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
    Mat 22:26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
    Mat 22:27 And last of all the woman died also.
    Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
    Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
    Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

    In heaven the saints have no gender between them like the angels
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    That is evidence on one side of the issue, however on the other side of the issue we have beings that were created by God not born through Adam and Eve and they were male and took human women and had children by them. It is easy to make a point when you just look at one side of the scriptural evidence, not so easy when you take both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel23 View Post
    Folks I realize that this is not a critical issue, however I hear so much about the giants in the bible being the offspring of angels and humans...THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT. There were two declarations made, one was that there were giants in the earth in those days...STOP... the other was that when the sons of God(angels) took the daughters of men that they bore men of great ability. Two things that it is describing, one is giants, who were before and after the flood, the other is a hybrid between an angel and a human that only appeared before the flood. Think please, for a five foot six inch ,130 pound woman, to produce a ten foot eight hundred pound man, that would mean that her husband had to be fifteen feet tall and weigh fourteen hundred pounds. It would be like trying to cross a male mastiff with a female wiener dog. First the sex act is not gonna happen and even if it did the wiener dog would die way before birth time...same with a human woman trying to have a sixty pound baby...not going to happen. The offspring of women and angels were normal in height and weight but built with incredible strength and speed and toughness. The giants are kind of a mystery since they were before and after the flood and I have never been able to trace their ancestors with any success.
    Are you saying that the 5'6" woman would have a baby that was popping a baby that was ten foot eight hundred pounds? Why would it not start as a baby and grow? The 'hubby' would not have to be so large as that at all.
    Tell me about the Liger...It can be twice the size of mommy..does that mean that daddy was twice the size of mommy? No. It was an ordinary male lion. Nothing more The Lady tiger was of normal size too. Yet their get is twice their size...Why is that? Can you say? Did you know that the female of our species, human, has no mechanism that controls growth in her genomes... That comes from the male....Female tigers are the same... but male lions do not have that mechanism either, so you get a giant. In the case of angels and women, you do the math. The baby is born normal size but does not stop growing.
    The reason you have not been able to trace the ancestry of giants is because you wiped it out with your logic above...Not entirely faulty logic. But it was,and is still missing some facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    Scriptures explicitly state that creatures reproduce after their own kind. That should rule out any thinking along the lines of humans having the offspring of angels. The sons of God are of the line of Seth, God worshipers. The daughters of men are of the line of Cain, pagans. Idolatry is always the end result when people who believe in the One True God marry those who don't.
    So Magenta...Where did centaurs, fauns, griffins and other cryptids come from...The fallen angels were into genetic engineering since they left heaven..They had in mind to block the arrival of the Savior. And having never an original thought they are still working in that direction today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Hebrew 6 cubits and 1 span [which totals about 9.75 feet or 3 meters];
    but a cubit (elbow to finger tip) and a span (the hand from thumb to little finger when stretched out) changed over time ad over people. we need to know what they were in Samuel's day. Much would depend on who measured him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denadii View Post
    So Magenta...Where did centaurs, fauns, griffins and other cryptids come from...The fallen angels were into genetic engineering since they left heaven..They had in mind to block the arrival of the Savior. And having never an original thought they are still working in that direction today.
    This is the Bible discussion forum. Do you have verses for any of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird88 View Post
    Gen 4 ends on this point, Gen 5 list the generations, Gen 6 continues the story and begins right away with the forbidden union and corruption. at which point did it begin, the end of Gen 4 or beginning of Gen 6? if Gen 4 is ending on a good point, men doing good in the eyes of the Father, how did they end up in the position they were in in Gen 6?
    Sounds like a thousand years may have past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    This is the Bible discussion forum. Do you have verses for any of that?
    Yes it is.....suppose we start here?

    Satyrs

    Isaiah 13:21
    But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

    Cockatrice
    The Cockatrice was winged serpentine creature with the head of a rooster, tail of a snake and wings of a bat. It’s glance could turn someone to stone or kill them instantly.

    Isaiah 14:29
    Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

    Unicorns

    Job 39:9
    Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

    Dragons
    Psalm 74:13
    Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.

    We'll start there. Just because these are not pleasant creatures,it does not mean they don't exist...So guess what? We're still discussing bible. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    This is the Bible discussion forum. Do you have verses for any of that?
    Undoubtedly it's a King James translation issue .
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    So, what would you say you were looking at? A group of people, that is, a village or a few villages of people with no human DNA at all? And living in an area where 20 foot tall giants are known to live? Normal looking people with No human DNA at all

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