Why dio Christians belive that Jesus had to die?

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Jesus is not qualified he did commit a crime in the temple; however human scarify is forbidden in Judaism.
 

Magenta

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Jesus did commit a crime in the temple; however human scarify is forbidden in Judaism.
He committed no crime. Are you saying anger is a crime? He broke no law. He fulfilled the law.
 
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Those scriptures can be describing many other people. I’ll have to read it in Hebrew because many time I find that the translation to English is wrong.
 
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Jesus is not qualified he did commit a crime in the temple; however human scarify is forbidden in Judaism.
 
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There are 613 laws are all of them punishable by death?
 
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Again, i'll have to read it in Hebrew and yes all souls belong to god.
 

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Jesus is not qualified he did commit a crime in the temple; however human scarify is forbidden in Judaism.
Psalm 69:9 for zeal for your house consumes me, and the insults of those who insult you fall on me.
There is a vast difference between anger and righteous anger, God's temple was and is a holy place and is not a place where money is to be. Perhaps in mans eyes it was a crime but in God's it was justice. You may follow Judaism but Judaism lacks many things, for one Judaism requires that God fits your box you refuse accept half of the word of God and you look at God and the bible with your own ideals and logic and if anything in the bible or about God doesn't fit it then you reject it.

I stand with Israel and I have nothing against the Jews I myself am half Jew but you rejected Christ back then and you reject him now. You study the scriptures you teach of God and you study him but let me ask you how is your relationship with him? do you and him share a very deep and very intimate bond and love? have you ever felt your heart melt just thinking of him? have you ever felt that child like joy and life when you spend time with him? have ever had that supernatural love that comes from his heart alone wash over you making you not even able to speak because there truly are no words to define the richness and beauty and wonder of his love and his heart?

The major thing that separates your system from ours is that we have an actual relationship with him he connect with him he have that intimacy that closeness that bond.
 

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There are 613 laws are all of them punishable by death?
If you break one you are guilty of breaking them all.

You are not capable of keeping the law.
 

PennEd

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The question was why he had to die. You may be aware that the treatment Jesus received by the Roman was given to millions of people that dare to rebel against Rome.
Didn't the Lamb have to die so his blood could be used on the Jewish door posts (in the shape of a cross), in Egypt, as the angel of death passed over those who were covered by the sacrificial blood?

Jesus, God in the flesh, is the Lamb of God, that takes away the sin of the world. And whoever is covered by His Blood, by believing in Him, will have the angel of death pass over their soul.

Accept Him. And Live!!! Shalom!
 
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1, Anger is a human sin (not punishable by death depend on the action)
2, he assaulted the people preparing to celebrate the Passover a holiday commanded by god.
The New Testament putting him at the scene of the crime, and committing the crime but Christians don’t see it that way. I wonder why he protest exactly while there is a lot of money circulating in the area.
 
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If you don't except the fact he gave his life to pay for your sins you will pay for your own sins in hell. Btw Christ said himself I and the father are one. As well as I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
 
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The Passover and the shedding of the blood......When I see the blood I will pass over you.....the end result was the death of the firstborn of all who did not believe and apply the blood. The result of faith was deliverance from Egypt (representative of sin and the bondage of sin) and pointed toward the rest from servitude and slavery into a land flowing with milk and honey (blessing)
 

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1, Anger is a human sin (not punishable by death depend on the action)
I would like to see a Scripture on that. Otherwise I believe you just made it up.

2, he assaulted the people preparing to celebrate the Passover a holiday commanded by god.
Can you give a Scripture to show He assaulted anyone? He chased those thieving from the people out of the Temple but it does not say He actually hit anyone. Also, you are using the New Testament to try to prove something? I thought you rejected the reliability of the New Testament. How illogical are you?
 
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You right about the Exodus story but it is not about sin; Passover is about freedom from slavery.
Human scarify is forbidden in Judaism. BTW “Accept Him. And Live!!!” is sound more like a threat.
 

Magenta

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You right about the Exodus story but it is not about sin; Passover is about freedom from slavery.
Human scarify is forbidden in Judaism. BTW “Accept Him. And Live!!!” is sound more like a threat.
Yes, freedom from the slavery and consequence of sin is found only through faith in Jesus Christ. If you do not like the threat of death given by God over and over again in the Bible, why do you come here to pretend you believe in the Scriptures?
 

PennEd

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1, Anger is a human sin (not punishable by death depend on the action)
2, he assaulted the people preparing to celebrate the Passover a holiday commanded by god.
The New Testament putting him at the scene of the crime, and committing the crime but Christians don’t see it that way. I wonder why he protest exactly while there is a lot of money circulating in the area.
Hah! Assaulted the People. No. The wicked moneychangers who would CHEAT the people, especially the poor, by saying their animal to be sacrificed was blemished, and therefore no good for sacrifice, but they would they would offer to give them a tiny bit of money for it and then sell them an animal for triple the cost from a previous jew they just pulled the same scam on.

Jesus was disgusted by this fraud in His Fathers House and broke up the criminal activity.
 

PennEd

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You right about the Exodus story but it is not about sin; Passover is about freedom from slavery.
Human scarify is forbidden in Judaism. BTW “Accept Him. And Live!!!” is sound more like a threat.
Exactly!!! Freedom the slavery of sin! Jesus Christ your Messiah will set you free!