Why dio Christians belive that Jesus had to die?

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PennEd

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Jesus is not qualified he did commit a crime in the temple; however human scarify is forbidden in Judaism.
And yet God called Abraham to offer his son Isaac, his only son, on the exact spot that He would offer His Only Son, Jesus Christ centuries later!

Yet somehow you can't see that Jesus the Messiah is on EVERY page of the Torah. How blind and sad it is.
 
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I don’t believe that the story is true because Jesus was Jewish and therefore he knew the important of the holiday and the pilgrimage to Jerusalem. You may want to know more about it so please read about the Passover celebration with an open mind. By saying that the story isn’t true I actually show Jesus lots more respect than Christians do. The sad part about the story is that Christians are happy about his action and glorifying it.
What did he use the whip for just to threaten people? Why isn’t he protesting the Roman Occupation of Judea? Why isn’t he protesting the Roman practice of crucifying people, throwing people to the lions etc.
 

PennEd

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I don’t believe that the story is true because Jesus was Jewish and therefore he knew the important of the holiday and the pilgrimage to Jerusalem. You may want to know more about it so please read about the Passover celebration with an open mind. By saying that the story isn’t true I actually show Jesus lots more respect than Christians do. The sad part about the story is that Christians are happy about his action and glorifying it.
What did he use the whip for just to threaten people? Why isn’t he protesting the Roman Occupation of Judea? Why isn’t he protesting the Roman practice of crucifying people, throwing people to the lions etc.
Hey Baruch, how you dealing with sin TODAY? You can't follow the Torah. There is NO Temple. There are NO animal sacrifices. So how are your sins taken away?
 

Trailblazer

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Are you saying that Jesus is god?
Yes! Jesus is God.
Many witnesses have seen Jesus miracles. Healing the sick, Healing the Blind, Walking on Water, Stopping Storms at Sea.
Raising the dead. Feeding over 5000 people from with in a single bread basket. Knowing and telling of strangers complete history upon meeting them.. Jesus himself said that he would be put to death in advance, and then rise on the 3rd day. Jesus said! I give up my Spirit. Then he died. That moment the skies then turned dark, and there was an Earthquake.
Over 500 people had seen him after his Resurrection for the next 30 days. Jesus told his disciples that he must go back to Heaven.to complete the fulfillment of the Scriptures. For Jesus fulfilled 100 Prophecies

Jesus is alive today up in the 3rd Heaven. Running the Universe from which he created. He knows all things of Past, and Future. No other person, Man made religions, false gods. have ever done, or claimed to have done what Jesus has done.

Would not these few things, of many more miracles that Jesus did. Make good reason for Jesus to be who he claims to be. That being God?
 
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God asked Abraham for Isaac, we didn’t ask for Jesus to die for our sin. Jesus is not in the Torah if you can’t see that than you are blind to the beauty of the Torah.
 
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Ariel82

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1, Anger is a human sin (not punishable by death depend on the action)
2, he assaulted the people preparing to celebrate the Passover a holiday commanded by god.
The New Testament putting him at the scene of the crime, and committing the crime but Christians don’t see it that way. I wonder why he protest exactly while there is a lot of money circulating in the area.
He had Passover with His disciples,which is when He washed their feet and told them to be servants for one another and when He told them that the blood and wine represented his blood and body broken for them: Passover Lamb. Symbolic of how God will Passover judgement upon the followers of Jesus when He comes to judge the world of sin at the End days.

What scriptures do you use to support your accusations that Jesus sinned?
 
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Ariel82

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God asked Abraham for Isaac, we didn’t ask for Jesus to die for our sin. Jesus is not in the Torah if you can’t see that than you are blind to the beauty of the Torah.
The Torah speaks of a Messiah. If you don't acknowledge that then you are worst than blind to the beauty of the Torah.
 

Magenta

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I don’t believe that the story is true because Jesus was Jewish and therefore he knew the important of the holiday and the pilgrimage to Jerusalem. You may want to know more about it so please read about the Passover celebration with an open mind. By saying that the story isn’t true I actually show Jesus lots more respect than Christians do. The sad part about the story is that Christians are happy about his action and glorifying it.

What did he use the whip for just to threaten people? Why isn’t he protesting the Roman Occupation of Judea? Why isn’t he protesting the Roman practice of crucifying people, throwing people to the lions etc.
The Passover you wish to glorify was but a shadow of what was to come in the reality of Christ's sacrifice, for the first Passover actually pointed forward to the sacrifice of the One to Whom belongs all glory and honor and praise and worship. We know Him as our Lord and King, Jesus Christ, Who gave His life that you might have a life more abundant through His resurrection to new life. Those covered in His sacrificial blood at the end of the age are spared the second death.

If you do not know what He used the whip for, why are you trying to tell us you know something which you are clueless about? Please read the accounts for yourself. Try reading it with an open mind so you do not automatically assume it is saying what you already believe, when no such thing is articulated.
 

Magenta

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God asked Abraham for Isaac, we didn’t ask for Jesus to die for our sin. Jesus is not in the Torah if you can’t see that than you are blind to the beauty of the Torah.
Jesus is prophesied from Genesis 3 onward.
 

Magenta

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we didn’t ask for Jesus to die for our sin.
You did not ask God for life either, but He gave it to you. At the end of this age, if you refuse to accept the plan God has for people through Jesus Christ, then you will forfeit that life and pass forever into death. The Israelis were always turning away from God and His plan. It is no different today than it was thousands of years ago :)
 

Trailblazer

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The wages of sin is depend on the sin not all sins required death.
Death is a Spiritual death. Meaning!..Being cut off from God for all eternity. All of our spirits will go on for all eternity.
The Question will be. Where will we be spending eternity? With God or away from God. In a place God wishes no man or woman was ever intended to go. That does not sound very appealing. Sounds like something worth giving some thought.
 
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You can follow the law/Torah. There is the right punishment for the crime. We still celebrate the holidays commanded by god. We will rebuild the Temple in the future, and I don’t want my sins to be taken away I want to pay for my sins it is the responsible thing to do.
We were evicted from our country, scattered all over the world, we didn’t have the physical temple, but we continue to believe in god. If you can’t see the beauty of it you can’t see the glory of god.
 
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you have to believe that this is god's plan
 

Magenta

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You can follow the law/Torah. There is the right punishment for the crime. We still celebrate the holidays commanded by god. We will rebuild the Temple in the future, and I don’t want my sins to be taken away I want to pay for my sins it is the responsible thing to do.
You cannot follow the law, so you are lying and break the law right there LOL

The wages of sin is death.
 

PennEd

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You can follow the law/Torah. There is the right punishment for the crime. We still celebrate the holidays commanded by god. We will rebuild the Temple in the future, and I don’t want my sins to be taken away I want to pay for my sins it is the responsible thing to do.
We were evicted from our country, scattered all over the world, we didn’t have the physical temple, but we continue to believe in god. If you can’t see the beauty of it you can’t see the glory of god.
The law demands animal sacrifice. How have you been keeping the law? You have been BREAKING the law! What do you think Yahweh does to jews who don't keep the law? Doesn't the Torah demand they be cut off?
 
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Ariel82

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You can follow the law/Torah. There is the right punishment for the crime. We still celebrate the holidays commanded by god. We will rebuild the Temple in the future, and I don’t want my sins to be taken away I want to pay for my sins it is the responsible thing to do.
We were evicted from our country, scattered all over the world, we didn’t have the physical temple, but we continue to believe in god. If you can’t see the beauty of it you can’t see the glory of god.
How will you pay for your sins?

Will the blood of animal sacrifices wash your sins from your soul?

Does not the Psalms proclaim that is only by God's grace that anyone is forgiven and cleansed?
 

Magenta

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People waited hundreds of years for the Messiah to come, and when He finally did, they killed Him, because He was not Who they thought He should be, as if God should take direction from men. God declares the end from the beginning, and Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world to be the propitiation for sin.
 
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You seem to not realise by you "not wanting your sins to be taken away & "wanting to pay for your sins" you will be condemned. You'd rather reject Gods grace & forgiveness which will result in your soul being lost forever. No good works you can ever do will earn you a place in his kingdom. God desires for no one to perish but you're really trying to push his hand.
 
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“You did not ask God for life either, but He gave it to you.” We both agree; we can’t agree about the rest of your post. Why can’t Jesus accept good people being honest and questioning him and the New Testament? Why can’t Jesus be mature enough to accept those that question?
 
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Ariel82

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Jesus doesn't reject people because they asked Him questions. He rejected the Pharisees when they claimed that He cast out demons by the power of Satan and not by the power of God through His Holy Spirit.