Why dio Christians belive that Jesus had to die?

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Why dio Christians belive that Jesus had to die?
 
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Hebrews 9
For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.” Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.
 

Blain

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Because only the blood of one who had no sin could cleanse the sin from our own
 

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He didn't have to. He did it out of love...And although He could have stopped it at any second He didn't. Not after the first laugh or spit landed in His eye, not after the first fist blow or kick, not after the first lashing with the cat of nine tails, not after the first 10 feet bearing the cross, not even when they nailed His hands and feet! Praise the Lord! Thank-you Jesus for taking my sin upon your shoulders and saving me from hell and damnation. I don't deserve your sacrifice.
 

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God in the flesh, Jesus Christ came in the likeness of man to fulfill the hundreds of prophecies given concerning Him, that we may know Him and believe on Him, and through faith in His sacrificial death, attain to life ever after through His resurrection, for He is life itself, and anyone who does not have their name written in His book of life, shall pass into the second (final) death at the end of this age.
 
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Hebrew is a book in the New Testament, the New Testament is not recognize as part of the bible by the Jews. Can you prove your point using the Old Testament? Show where it’s written in the Old Testament that almost all thing are purified with blood. Judaism is forbid human sacrifice.
 
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Are you saying that Jesus is god?
 

Blain

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Hebrew is a book in the New Testament, the New Testament is not recognize as part of the bible by the Jews. Can you prove your point using the Old Testament? Show where it’s written in the Old Testament that almost all thing are purified with blood. Judaism is forbid human sacrifice.
Why do you think they always slaughtered sheep and lambs? there was always a need for sacrifice with blood to cover peoples sins however it never completely did the job. Also can you explain to me why the new testament is not a part of the bible? btw welcome to Christian chat :)
 

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Are you saying that Jesus is god?
If he is not God then his blood is the same as ours and thus his sacrifice on the cross was pointless
 

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God is absolutely just and requires absolute justice. He cannot allow sin to go unpunished.

The wages of sin is death. Even though we were guilty of sin and deserved death, Jesus took our place so that we might be children of the almighty God.
 
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The question was why he had to die. You may be aware that the treatment Jesus received by the Roman was given to millions of people that dare to rebel against Rome.
 

Locutus

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The problem is that OT scriptures that the NT uses to affirm it's doctrine are not accepted by the followers of Judaism such as:

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.


There are specific sites that deal with these type of issues - maybe the poster may better doing a google search for them
 
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The wages of sin is depend on the sin not all sins required death.
 

Blain

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The question was why he had to die. You may be aware that the treatment Jesus received by the Roman was given to millions of people that dare to rebel against Rome.
And like I said only the blood of he who knew no sin could cleanse ours, in every sacrifice in the old testament the lamb or sheep had to die and have it's blood spilled for our sins because these creatures were of innocence and knew no sin but they were more of a band aid than anything else they could not fully quench the issue of sin, and so the perfect lamb had to be sacrificed and Jesus knowing no sin and because he loved us even in our filth and sin willingly gave himself up as the final sacrifice.
 

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Are you saying that Jesus is god?
absolutely!! Anyone who does not agree is rejecting the son of God and treating his blood as common and unholy
[h=1]Hebrews 10:28-30New King James Version (NKJV)[/h] [SUP]28 [/SUP]Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. [SUP]29[/SUP]Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? [SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”[SUP][a][/SUP] says the Lord.[SUP][b][/SUP] And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”[SUP][c][/SUP]
 

Locutus

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Ezek 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Maybe the Jews thought this was to be interpreted in another way.
 

jerry2465

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And like I said only the blood of he who knew no sin could cleanse ours, in every sacrifice in the old testament the lamb or sheep had to die and have it's blood spilled for our sins because these creatures were of innocence and knew no sin but they were more of a band aid than anything else they could not fully quench the issue of sin, and so the perfect lamb had to be sacrificed and Jesus knowing no sin and because he loved us even in our filth and sin willingly gave himself up as the final sacrifice.
a lamb without spot or blemish was required, which Jesus perfectly qualified because he had no sin (spot or blemish or defect)
 

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The question was why he had to die. You may be aware that the treatment Jesus received by the Roman was given to millions of people that dare to rebel against Rome.
Rome crucified Him though Pilate found Him innocent. It was the Jewish religious leaders and unbelieving among His own people that cried for His death, because Jesus rightly, YES rightly, Jesus equated Himself with God. Hundreds of prophecies were fulfilled by Jesus Christ regarding His birth, life, ministry, purpose, death, and resurrection. Even the chance of Him fulfilling eight of those hundreds is one in ten to the seventeenth power (one in 100,000,000,000,000,000).
 
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Jesus did commit a crime in the temple; however human scarify is forbidden in Judaism.