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In the beginning there was only adam and eve and the animals and creatures of this world.

The king pride luster desirer.. fell to earth to have the desires he lusted for..

There where only humans around so he could not cloak adam and eve or appear as a human . so he cloaked a snake...(took up the resemblance of a snake)..

Spiritual d.n.a cloaking...

His first tempt on eve was to get her to desire the fruit with lust.

Would anyone say that lust is the main desire that leads to pride.

Hence my reason for asking is it seems that most christians believe that pride is the main sin that leads to all others..

Or is it lust.
 
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Was eve made when when God said do not eat from the tree of good and evil and did adam tell eve not to... was she aware she was sinning.??????????????
genesis 2:16
16The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.

Genessis 2: 22 Then the LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.
 
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The creation story that I believe takes into account much more than a few pages of scripture. People think that there was something supernatural about the fruit. I happen to think that there is something that guilt causes to us. The knowledge of good and evil was made manifest because before they only knew good. After they experienced guilt, they knew evil. They died because they were banned from the Garden containing the Tree of Life. I'm not completely convinced that all humans are spawn from Adam and Eve. I think that somethings in the Bible are allegorical accounts of facts. When the Old Testament was penned it serve no purpose to further confuse the displaced Nomads. They saw pillars of smoke and fire, the Red Sea parted, water gushing from a rock, God descend to the top of a mountain, bread from Heaven (manna), Moses face glowing and the walls of Jericho collapse. How much of a scientific foundation do you think it would take to explain one of these things they saw. Trying to explain the finer points and purposes of Creation would be pointless. Today we understand more so we question more. Seek and you shall find. God explained a lot to me through prayer. You just have to listen.
 
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The creation story that I believe takes into account much more than a few pages of scripture. People think that there was something supernatural about the fruit. I happen to think that there is something that guilt causes to us. The knowledge of good and evil was made manifest because before they only knew good. After they experienced guilt, they knew evil. They died because they were banned from the Garden containing the Tree of Life. I'm not completely convinced that all humans are spawn from Adam and Eve. I think that somethings in the Bible are allegorical accounts of facts. When the Old Testament was penned it serve no purpose to further confuse the displaced Nomads. They saw pillars of smoke and fire, the Red Sea parted, water gushing from a rock, God descend to the top of a mountain, bread from Heaven (manna), Moses face glowing and the walls of Jericho collapse. How much of a scientific foundation do you think it would take to explain one of these things they saw. Trying to explain the finer points and purposes of Creation would be pointless. Today we understand more so we question more. Seek and you shall find. God explained a lot to me through prayer. You just have to listen.
I suppose good explanation but why plant such a tree in the first place. ?

Where theres temptation there is risk. i dont buy into the whole concept that sin entered the world through adam and eve.
 
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I suppose good explanation but why plant such a tree in the first place. ?

Where theres temptation there is risk. i dont buy into the whole concept that sin entered the world through adam and eve.
What I haven't figured out completely is whether the tree was there because it is food for other beings....or the whole plan of salvation was laid out from the beginning as stated. How can you have free will if there is no option to disobey. The tree was there as an option. The Garden of Eden is not be the purpose of creation. The purpose of the garden was so man could see that even the first man and woman, living in Paradise choose wrong over right. Our goodness can't be what eventually saves us. We have to choose Christ, and by Him we are acceptable. God is using this era to determine out of all that have been born who will choose Him. Then the actual New Heaven and Earth will be the place for those who seek Him and choose Him. People never look at the whole story to figure stuff out.
 
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Idolatry is the first sin that leads to all others: placing your wants and desires over God's will for your life.
 
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I suppose good explanation but why plant such a tree in the first place. ?

Where theres temptation there is risk. i dont buy into the whole concept that sin entered the world through adam and eve.
The consequences of sin (these bodies dying, disease, aging, animals eating other animals, etc) was caused by Adam and Eve fall because they had dominion or control over the Earth and all its inhabitants.

Yet Romans 8 says all of creations groans and awaits the day that this world is destroyed and replaced with a New Heaven and Earth. For now we have been born again of the Holy Spirit, but we await the day when we will be given new ressurected bodies and God wipes every year from our eyes.

I believe the tree was to test the serpent and the other angels that were rebelling against God. A sword blazed to help toss out the 1/3 angels rebelling secretly against God's authority. To show to the universe the corruption of angels trying to become God.

Revelation 12 says they have been tossed out of Heaven. Now the war is upon the Earth.
 
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It seems Eve did know it was wrong from chapter 3 she told the servant God has told me not to eat from the tree.. but did she know it was a sin.

Did adam tell her it was a sin to go against what God as commanded..

Or did she know how to deal with temptation ?.

I get the concept that she thought of her own desires befor Gods i get that.

But did she fully understand the concept of it all and the consequences befor she acted.

was it a wilful sin ?

Why did God plant all his knowledge into a tree. ?
 
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I believe the tree was to test the serpent and the other angels that were rebelling against God. A sword blazed to help toss out the 1/3 angels rebelling secretly against God's authority. To show to the universe the corruption of angels trying to become God.

Revelation 12 says they have been tossed out of Heaven. Now the war is upon the Earth.
Maybe but then dont the angels allready know what is Good and evil is.. why would he need to test them.. ?

Why would he risk such a thing ?.
 
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An interesting concept that seems to be missed concerning the tree of the Knowledge of GOOD and EVIL.......

What about the GOOD aspect.....God does not call it the tree of the knowledge of EVIL....does it not say GOOD and EVIL

SO.....now we have a conundrum......did it contain two types of fruit....SOME GOOD and SOME EVIL....or was the fruit irrelevant?

MAYBE is was just the choice to eat or not to eat.....If one did not eat they remain GOOD......if ONE eats they become EVIL...

Was it a genetic change for MAN when he ate that turned his good NATURE to an EVIL nature......?

Such questions arise........

MANY overlook the fact that it contained both the knowledge of GOOD and the knowledge of EVIL!
 
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An interesting concept that seems to be missed concerning the tree of the Knowledge of GOOD and EVIL.......

What about the GOOD aspect.....God does not call it the tree of the knowledge of EVIL....does it not say GOOD and EVIL

SO.....now we have a conundrum......did it contain two types of fruit....SOME GOOD and SOME EVIL....or was the fruit irrelevant?

MAYBE is was just the choice to eat or not to eat.....If one did not eat they remain GOOD......if ONE eats they become EVIL...

Was it a genetic change for MAN when he ate that turned his good NATURE to an EVIL nature......?

Such questions arise........

MANY overlook the fact that it contained both the knowledge of GOOD and the knowledge of EVIL!
How do we know what cold or hot are without the other? We aren't thankful for our health until it has left us. Until there was knowledge or experiencing evil, they wouldn't have recognized good. I think Romans 7 addresses this. Chemicals like DMT also are reported to have some "third eye" opening effects. We release small amounts from our pineal gland but large doses cause specific results including seeing strange beings (clockwork elves). Perhaps it allowed them to see beyond the visible spectrum causing awareness of the unseen things. Maybe like when Jim Carey walked out of the studio at the end of "The Truman Show".
 
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The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, signifies man's choice to set ourselves up as our own center of reference for the determination of good and evil. We can all see how well that has turned out.
 
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How do we know what cold or hot are without the other? We aren't thankful for our health until it has left us. Until there was knowledge or experiencing evil, they wouldn't have recognized good. I think Romans 7 addresses this. Chemicals like DMT also are reported to have some "third eye" opening effects. We release small amounts from our pineal gland but large doses cause specific results including seeing strange beings (clockwork elves). Perhaps it allowed them to see beyond the visible spectrum causing awareness of the unseen things. Maybe like when Jim Carey walked out of the studio at the end of "The Truman Show".
So....Adam knew neither good nor evil...is that what you are saying?.......like an animal, ignorant of either concept.....?
 
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Pretty much. Animals haven't been given a choice. They work by instincts exclusively. When we get a pet they don't realize that crapping on the carpet is wrong. We give them the conscience by giving them the option. Go to the washroom outside get praise, and on the carpet, punishment. When they do what they learned was wrong (evil), they have guilt. You can identify it because when you walk in they are hiding instead of happily greeting you. It's almost like we make our pets eat the forbidden fruit.
 
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The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, signifies man's choice to set ourselves up as our own center of reference for the determination of good and evil. We can all see how well that has turned out.
It wasnt a fantasy tale to make you see the spiritual message... i dont think so bud ...because eve ate from it it was real.

many people say not all of the genesis is literal. i dont get that. when i say i think there might be a lie or two in our bible i get called a heretic
 
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It wasnt a fantasy tale to make you see the spiritual message... i dont think so bud ...because eve ate from it it was real.

many people say not all of the genesis is literal. i dont get that. when i say i think there might be a lie or two in our bible i get called a heretic
Real or not, literal or not, that was the result of the choice made.
 
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Hum ok answer me this question then....what color skin was adam and eve.... answer it doesnt matter they had free will to choose..

They never new the consequence of choosing the wrong choice.. end off
 
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Would anyone say that lust is the main desire that leads to pride.
Interesting.

I never looked at it as being in any particular order, so I dug around and found this...

Proverbs 16:18
"Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall"


That verse would seem to suggest that Pride is the final straw, so everything else (i.e. Lust) comes before.

Here is a Second Witness...

1 John 2:16
"For all that is in the world, the...

1) Lust of the flesh, and the
2) Lust of the eyes, and the
3) Pride of life


...is not of the Father, but is of the world"


Even 1 John 2:16 lists Pride as last.

I think you have something there!

:cool:
 
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Interesting.

I never looked at it as being in any particular order, so I dug around and found this...

Proverbs 16:18
"Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall"


That verse would seem to suggest that Pride is the final straw, so everything else (i.e. Lust) comes before.

Here is a Second Witness...

1 John 2:16
"For all that is in the world, the...

1) Lust of the flesh, and the
2) Lust of the eyes, and the
3) Pride of life


...is not of the Father, but is of the world"


Even 1 John 2:16 lists Pride as last.

I think you have something there!

:cool:
This also bears out with the fall of Lucifer....he desired to ascend and take the place of God....

God said he was perfect until iniquity was found in him....was not that iniquity pride as the most beautiful created being and his desire to be worshipped?
 
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i dont buy into the whole concept that sin entered the world through adam and eve.
Romans 5:12
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned"