Sacrifices - burnt, sin, guilt, grain, drink, peace,trespass, incense offering

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oldhermit

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who was the law given too, that one, should give it more observance that a new covenant,

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
Heb 9:15

when was christian given the law, (acts 15) gentile converts

and that will be to the jewish converts ,
(gal51-4)

do you see the problem ,
I understand that the Law was given exclusively to Israel and not to the Gentiles. That does not change the fact that sin was forgiven under the Law.
 
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a discussion about law?? things turning messy?? well, that never happens around here. lol! lol!
what relevance is this discussion,
is the point , to understand a law that was given in an old covenant, but has no bearing to a new covenant. just wondering do they know this is a christian web site.

if you want make you can tell us what we could learn. lol
 
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I understand that the Law was given exclusively to Israel and not to the Gentiles. That does not change the fact that sin was forgiven under the Law.
i never said it was nt .


animals to the temple, is how they got forgiveness.(jewish)



these are christian teachings
john b, and jesus christ teachings, that bridge the gap to the new covenant,




the new covenant is new, not a continued or continuation to some that is old.

this is the point that is being missed in the whole forum topic, jewish is not christian teachings. there has been a big change. etc


the whole problem is context , jewish teaching has no value in christian teachings ,
 

oldhermit

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i never said it was nt .


animals to the temple, is how they got forgiveness.(jewish)



these are christian teachings
john b, and jesus christ teachings, that bridge the gap to the new covenant,




the new covenant is new, not a continued or continuation to some that is old.

this is the point that is being missed in the whole forum topic, jewish is not christian teachings. there has been a big change. etc


the whole problem is context , jewish teaching has no value in christian teachings ,
I was not being accusative. I was merely looking for clarification of what you were saying.
 
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Do you believe this suggests that sin was not forgiven under the Law?
Forgiveness is an interesting topic.
If one is forgiven you are then righteous, not under judgement.

The law dictated forgiveness based on sacrifices.

In this way the priest will make atonement for them for the sin they have committed, and they will be forgiven.
Lev 4:35

What is obvious is nothing truly atones for the state of people, this is all a temporary
fix pointing forward to the fulfillment in Christ.

Until communion with the Spirit in the heart of the believer, everything else would fail.


Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “When you take a census of the Israelites to count them, each one must pay the Lord a ransom for his life at the time he is counted."
Exodus 30:11

Then the Lord said to Moses, 18 “Make a bronze basin, with its bronze stand, for washing. Place it between the tent of meeting and the altar, and put water in it. 19 Aaron and his sons are to wash their hands and feet with water from it."
Exodus 30:17-19

We are in a continual need for washing by the Spirit, cleansing, of
being atoned for. Holiness can not be taken for granted.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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a discussion about law?? things turning messy?? well, that never happens around here. lol! lol!
say it is not so..lol
 
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Incense & Oil

Incense was burnt in the holy of holies.
We now dwell in that place, and though many christians do not follow using incense
God did.

Oil - Oil for praying for healing makes a connection with Exodus 30 where the holy
oil consecrates the temple and the priests.

James is using oil in praying for healing, as we are all believers and priests with the
Lord.
 

oldhermit

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#48
Forgiveness is an interesting topic.
If one is forgiven you are then righteous, not under judgement.

The law dictated forgiveness based on sacrifices.

In this way the priest will make atonement for them for the sin they have committed, and they will be forgiven.
Lev 4:35

What is obvious is nothing truly atones for the state of people, this is all a temporary
fix pointing forward to the fulfillment in Christ.

Until communion with the Spirit in the heart of the believer, everything else would fail.


Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “When you take a census of the Israelites to count them, each one must pay the Lord a ransom for his life at the time he is counted."
Exodus 30:11

Then the Lord said to Moses, 18 “Make a bronze basin, with its bronze stand, for washing. Place it between the tent of meeting and the altar, and put water in it. 19 Aaron and his sons are to wash their hands and feet with water from it."
Exodus 30:17-19

We are in a continual need for washing by the Spirit, cleansing, of
being atoned for. Holiness can not be taken for granted.
Eight different times in Lev. 4 and 5, the Lord promised to forgive their sins when sacrifice was made on their behalf. What the Hebrew writer explains is the while forgiveness was granted at the altar, it was not on the basis of those sacrifices that their sins were forgiven but what those sacrifices represented - the Lamb of God. God forgave them then, but he paid for it at Calvary. You also have to remember that Israel was not the only ones who worshiped God in the period of the OT. Sin was also forgiven them in the same way.
 
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sevenseas

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That is right. What the Hebrew writer is showing us is that while sin was forgiven under the Law, it was not forgiven BY the Law.


Good distinction. Didn't think of it like that. Thanks!
 
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sevenseas

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#50
I 100% know what you mean.

Sometime ago I realised the difference between showing loyalty to a spiritual
authority and honouring the Lord. We can often give authority to situations and
people which inadvertantly dishonours the Lord and puts distance between us.

It is like we need to wash ourselves in the word and the Spirit daily to find this
place of fellowship and glory with Him.

What has confused me recently is seeing others failings and then worrying about
worship with them, rather than just worshiping the Lord from my heart and dwelling
in that place, one to one, no matter where others are.

The Lord is always worthy of our praise and thanks through Jesus Christ His son, Amen.

Yes He is!
 
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I was not being accusative. I was merely looking for clarification of what you were saying.
in case you, do not understand, what paul is warning believers here.gal 5( 1-4) i will spell it out , this is a form of genocide to the spiritual realms cutting you off. this is ware the warning siren is sounding.

i understand people like your self that study the hebrew or jewish law and people , we all have ,with two parts to the bible call old and new testament. but with out distinction your bridge on teaching or looking at two different religions. and one of these religion rejected jesus christ.

you need to understand, what a devils advocate is concerning christian belief system.

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

so in real terms, are we helping other to get cut off from christ, or to keep them in christ.


 

oldhermit

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in case you, do not understand, what paul is warning believers here.gal 5( 1-4) i will spell it out , this is a form of genocide to the spiritual realms cutting you off. this is ware the warning siren is sounding.

i understand people like your self that study the hebrew or jewish law and people , we all have ,with two parts to the bible call old and new testament. but with out distinction your bridge on teaching or looking at two different religions. and one of these religion rejected jesus christ.

you need to understand, what a devils advocate is concerning christian belief system.

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

so in real terms, are we helping other to get cut off from christ, or to keep them in christ.
If you think I am saying that anyone can still receive forgiveness under the Law, you have completely misunderstood what I am saying. The Law has been completely fulfilled and set aside.
 
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If you think I am saying that anyone can still receive forgiveness under the Law, you have completely misunderstood what I am saying. The Law has been completely fulfilled and set aside.

I was not being accusative. I was merely looking for clarification of what you were saying.(your quote)

so i give clarification to what you asked. post 51