Angels will multply via women we are just guinee pigs ?

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Sac49

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I think spiritual beings cannot influence the physical realm without some kind of a permission or something like that.

Because if they could, satan and demons could do anything, miracles all day long. There must be some limit that restricts them (they are bound for "1000" years?).

In the same way, also angels probably cannot do whatever they want in our realm.
You are correct. They must have permission and they only get "permission" from God. Look at Job. Satan had to get permission from God and then God gave him boundries he could not cross. Nothing can be done outside of God "allowing" it.
 

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We are given a limited knowledge about Angels in the Bible. It does say that they can take human form and eat food
They shared a meal with Abraham and Paul advises us to welcome strangers because we may be entertaining Angels unawares. If they can transform themselves to appear human and eat food they may be able to reproduce when they take on a human appearance. Whether they are supposed to is another matter.
 

trofimus

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You are correct. They must have permission and they only get "permission" from God. Look at Job. Satan had to get permission from God and then God gave him boundries he could not cross. Nothing can be done outside of God "allowing" it.
Genesis 6 is a special case, though. Those angels did not have any permission from God. Thats why they are punished and kept in darkness somewhere...

So the question remains - how were they able to do it, interact with humans and our material universe.
 

trofimus

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We are given a limited knowledge about Angels in the Bible. It does say that they can take human form and eat food
They shared a meal with Abraham and Paul advises us to welcome strangers because we may be entertaining Angels unawares. If they can transform themselves to appear human and eat food they may be able to reproduce when they take on a human appearance. Whether they are supposed to is another matter.
True. But on the other hand, these are the angels of God, some of them even Jesus himself (like the one visiting Abraham).

Other spiritual beings (demons, satan) probably do not have the ability to materialize themselves. I do not know why, I am just assuming from the absence of such things.
 

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Angels cannot procreate. Angels don't have sex, with each other OR humans..
 
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You are correct. They must have permission and they only get "permission" from God. Look at Job. Satan had to get permission from God and then God gave him boundries he could not cross. Nothing can be done outside of God "allowing" it.
Theres more to than that my friend,,,, Ive read this scripture i know it by heart.

God said to satan ok if your going to test someone test this guy.. because he you satan would not win and job would keep his love for God..

Thats why permission was granted.. God knew satan would not win with Job. so your theology is like that of many.. the only thing your theology repersents in my book .. It SAY gOD DOES DEALS WITH DEMONS... I DONT THINK SO... :rolleyes::p
 
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More evidence that cloning is a creation of Gods design..

Flowers multiply there seeds by them selves... and all flowers allways come out looking the same... Genetic d.n.a cloning..

I started a thread about this one (parthenogenesis quite a fitting name) Virgin births among creaturs and fish and sharks.. they repruce themselves... genetic d.n.a cloning..

Ok one last one.. how is this creature able to clone its surroundings who gave its ability to do this ? its designer ? and who was its designer ? amser me this.. im not trying to be cleaver or make you look little just want an imaginative answer..

play it to the end..

[video=youtube;PmDTtkZlMwM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmDTtkZlMwM[/video]
 
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FALLEN angels may do that.. not heavenly angels though. They have no need to procreate or have sex..
Theres a diffrence between having sex and imaginary sex.. just a thought..

But really how do you know that all the angels in heaven are not still rebelling ? and falling..
 

Sac49

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There is nothing that happens without God allowing it. If something were to happen without God being in control then God is no longer Sovereign.

There are a couple people here who seem to think that there are things that can happen out of Gods control. If God isnt in control then who is? If God is not in control then, again, God is no longer Sovereign.
 
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We are given a limited knowledge about Angels in the Bible. It does say that they can take human form and eat food
They shared a meal with Abraham and Paul advises us to welcome strangers because we may be entertaining Angels unawares. If they can transform themselves to appear human and eat food they may be able to reproduce when they take on a human appearance. Whether they are supposed to is another matter.
Yes it does but was that there human body or where they borrowing somebody elses body ? (ie a real person...)
 
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There is nothing that happens without God allowing it. If something were to happen without God being in control then God is no longer Sovereign.
Is that based just upon your one meaning of job ? or other scripture ?
 

Sac49

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Is that based just upon your one meaning of job ? or other scripture ?
What does it mean to you the God is Sovereign? What does the Sovereingty of God mean?
 
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What does it mean to you the God is Sovereign? What does the Sovereingty of God mean?
Hahah dont be reflective
Job
“Did you notice my servant Job?” the Lord asked. “There is no one on earth as faithful and good as he is. He worships me and is careful not to do anything evil.”

Read God knew he wouldnt beat this servant...
 

Sac49

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Hahah dont be reflective
Job
“Did you notice my servant Job?” the Lord asked. “There is no one on earth as faithful and good as he is. He worships me and is careful not to do anything evil.”

Read God knew he wouldnt beat this servant...
Of course God knew. He is Sovereign. Do you think Job bacame so faithful on his own? Did he one day just decide he was going to be faithful?

Again i will ask you. What does the Sovereingty of God mean? What does it mean when we say "God is Sovereign"?
 
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What does it mean to you the God is Sovereign? What does the Sovereingty of God mean?
above all but also he gives freedom of choice.. ie he doesnt force feed with statements based upon a one set mind..

He gives you many options to choose..
 
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Sac49

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above all but also he gives freedom of choice.. ie he doesnt force feed with statements based upon a one set mind..

He gives you many options to choose..
So you think we, or anything else, can do something that God didnt know was going to happen? Is there any point in time where God said "i didnt know that was going to happen"?
 

Magenta

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In Genesis it says that the Sons of God had sexual relations with earthly women and produced Giants. The term Sons of God is another way of describing Angels. There is an argument that these Sons were descendants of Seth who are supposed to have intermarried with Cains. I believe this was first put forward by Augustine. It is a weak explanation because Seths descendants were not any different from anyone else so why would their offspring be Giants and other sinners have normal children.

Apart from this there is an account in the Book of Jubilees which pre dates Christianity that these Sons of God not only had relations with women but corrupted animal life as well. When one considers the size and bizarre appearance of Dinosaur fossils it could be a possible explanation as to where these creatures fit into the scheme of things and why God would need to wipe out every living thing in the flood rather than just kill the wicked off with a disease or something that would leave the rest of creation intact.
The problem is you are reading well beyond what Scripture explicitly states. For instance, God cleansed the earth due to the evil of mankind, period. Also, saying that the Bible says angels had sex with women is definitely stretching it, for that is not articulated at all. You can read that into what is written to interpret it that way, but then you go against what is actually explicitly stated elsewhere to say that women bore the progeny of angels.

If you allow Scripture to interpret Scripture, this error does not happen. Giants are still born into this age. Are they likewise in your view the result of some demon copulating with an unsuspecting female? Or does she maybe do it on purpose? Or perhaps she is tricked into it? Why would you call a demon a son of God? Scripture explicitly says the corrupt are not His children. Sons of God are many times described as men who have faith in and follow Him.

Trofimus has said it in this thread and I have said it multiple times also, that angels are NEVER depicted in Scripture as being able to manifest as human beings to do their own perverted will against the will of God. To suggest it assumes an awful lot.

OP says angels have the ability to multiply, but again this is a pretty big assumption he makes. Angels are nowhere assigned gender of their own, and are not given in marriage. I realize he is talking about cloning, as if we should take this seriously. If they could really clone as he suggests, perhaps they would not have failed so badly when God brought the plagues on the Egyptians to defeat their parthenon of false gods and idols.
 

trofimus

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Trofimus has said it in this thread and I have said it multiple times also, that angels are NEVER depicted in Scripture as being able to manifest as human beings to do their own perverted will against the will of God. To suggest it assumes an awful lot.
Just a note, I believe Genesis 6 is about angels :)

I just do not know how it was possible, what it means that thay left their place of habitation (some kind of permanent materialization?). It quite depends on the definition of spiritual beings and how their bodies work...

Its quite obvious satan or demons cannot do that, though. Or else they would do it a lot.