Show me, in the bible, that we are the Bride of Christ (Challenge!).

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BenFTW

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You often hear Christians say that the Body of Christ (the church) is the bride of Christ. I've looked at verses that people use but the context reveals that the topic has nothing to do with such a title but simply the dynamic between a husband and wife (treating each other with love).

So, I continued to look into it and in so doing, it seems that the bride is in reference to Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:9-10 King James Version (KJV)

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

I find no where in scripture that we, the Body of Christ, are referenced to as the Bride of Christ. In fact, we are even described as guests of the Bridegroom (in parables). So why then is it so widely accepted that the Church is the Bride of Christ when scripture shows no foundation for such a belief (in my understanding)?

I am completely open to being shown the truth on this matter if there is a case to be made, but so far, in my studies and reading, I have found no such evidence to describe us as the Bride of Christ. Only Jerusalem, plainly stated as the Lamb's wife in Revelations.
 
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Ephesians 5:25-27 ESV

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish

2 Corinthians 11:2 ESV

For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.

Isaiah 62:5 ESV

For as a young man marries a young woman, so shall your sons marry you, and as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so shall your God rejoice over you.

Matthew 25:1-18 ESV

“Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. ...

2 Corinthians 11:1-4 Esv

I wish you would bear with me in a little foolishness. Do bear with me! For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
 
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Are you looking for something like this?

2 Corinthians 11:2
"For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ"

 
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Ben, you are correct, the other uses are metaphors.
 
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...and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God
You know what's really interesting here is that New Jerusalem is our Mom!

Galatians 4:26
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all"


Did you know you had a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father?

Do they have Children?

:cool:
 

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You often hear Christians say that the Body of Christ (the church) is the bride of Christ. I've looked at verses that people use but the context reveals that the topic has nothing to do with such a title but simply the dynamic between a husband and wife (treating each other with love).

So, I continued to look into it and in so doing, it seems that the bride is in reference to Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:9-10 King James Version (KJV)

[FONT=&]9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

I find no where in scripture that we, the Body of Christ, are referenced to as the Bride of Christ. In fact, we are even described as guests of the Bridegroom (in parables). So why then is it so widely accepted that the Church is the Bride of Christ when scripture shows no foundation for such a belief (in my understanding)?

I am completely open to being shown the truth on this matter if there is a case to be made, but so far, in my studies and reading, I have found no such evidence to describe us as the Bride of Christ. Only Jerusalem, plainly stated as the Lamb's wife in Revelations.
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The Ultimate Bride

The New Testament portrays the Church as the Bride of Christ in Ephesians 5:22-33 (Paul even quotes Genesis 2:24 as the union at the Parousia of the Bridegroom in v.31!); cf. Romans 7:4; 2 Corinthians 11:2; James 4:4. In the opening verses of John 14, the marriage covenant is confirmed. 21 Paul continually reminds us of the purchase price 22 and the covenant23 by which we, the Bride, are set apart, or sanctified. ref Koinonia House



Not sure what you are looking for. Jerusalem is not the Bride but rather the Church!... Take it from there
 

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Revelation 19, “ 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him praise, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife prepared herself. 8 And to her it was given to be dressed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteousnesses of the set-apart ones.9 And he said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who have been called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he said to me, “These are the true words of Yah.”


Revelation 19, “ 7 Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; 8 it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure. for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.9 And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”
 

BenFTW

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Ephesians 5:25-27 ESV

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish

2 Corinthians 11:2 ESV

For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.

Isaiah 62:5 ESV

For as a young man marries a young woman, so shall your sons marry you, and as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so shall your God rejoice over you.

Matthew 25:1-18 ESV

“Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. ...

2 Corinthians 11:1-4 Esv

I wish you would bear with me in a little foolishness. Do bear with me! For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
All I see here are figures of speech (similes, metaphors, personification, etc). Again, it is not plainly stated that the Church is the Bride of Christ, but in many instances here we see we are guests of the wedding and basically, for men to love their wives devotedly as Christ did the Church. The example of Christ's sacrifice and love for the church is simply a comparison, not a statement that defines the Church as His Bride. That is being read in, ignoring the intent of the verse to make a doctrine that, as far as I know, has no grounding.

I understand that God was married to Israel for example. God uses such symbolism, and figures of speech to make a point. However, I'm not seeing the Body of Christ as referenced to as His Bride, let alone for them to actually have a marriage to Him at some point (Him being the bridegroom).

The clearest scripture we have in reference to a bride and the Lamb's wife is in Revelations, speaking of Jerusalem. So, having such a clear example, how can we use other vague passages and interpretations (that are biased through tradition) to override this one scripture that is plain?

I don't know, I am open, but like I said before. A case needs to be made. So far, again, you used verses that are obviously comparisons meant to express devotion. A simile of comparison. Not a verse that defines His Church as His Bride.

PS: In the case of the virgins parable, are you insinuating polygamy? That would be the case then... if it represents the Church. However, some interpretations see the virgins as wedding guests, or like bridesmaids.
 

BenFTW

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Revelation 19, “ 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him praise, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife prepared herself. 8 And to her it was given to be dressed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteousnesses of the set-apart ones.9 And he said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who have been called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he said to me, “These are the true words of Yah.”


Revelation 19, “ 7 Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; 8 it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure. for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.9 And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”
You'll notice that the bride is not us, the saints, but rather we adorn the bride. Right? It says the fine linen "is the righteousness of the set-apart ones." So to me, it seems, that we adorn the bride, but are ourselves not the bride. I suppose, His people will live in the New Jerusalem so we technically are adorning it by living there. No? Yes? Maybe?
 
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New Jerusalem, the church, is the holy city of Gods peculiar people. The church; the bride of Christ; saints; the righteous; New Jerusalem; believers. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, and He sent and signified it in a rich code of symbols by His angel and then presented to His servant John. Revelation 1-1
New Jerusaelm, the mother of us all, the collective church/ecclasisia that joins with the Word of God and gives birth to new converts in the faith.

The symbolism found in Revelation is to show future things that reveal the entirety of the church age. New Jerusalem, is God's holy people {spiritual Jews} set apart in a spiritual kingdom during the gospel age. The children of the Kingdom enter after regeneration of the Spirit, being born anew. New Jerusalem, has been, and is, and shall continue to be built until time shall be no more, at the close of the gospel age, ending His office as Redeemer, when He shall deliver the kingdom back up to God, thus ushering in eternity, 1 Cor. 15-24. The New Jerusalem is the dwelling place of the triumphant church, the Christians, Gods' elect lively stones, the overcomers, the saints, the believers, and the 144,00. Then the bride of Christ, the new city, comes down from God out of heaven to become the New Heavens and New Earth. Because Jesus rose from Abrahams Bosom (the grave), He was presented as the first fruits to God. Therefore, now, it appears, that when the NT saints die, their living spirits/souls go to be with the Lord to wait for the completion of His Kingdom, the new heavens and earth, and awaiting their resurrection bodies..

I. The saints and NJ are both called "the Bride" of "the Lamb," and are illustrated as decorated for marriage.

The Saints:
Rev 19-6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. This is in Ephesians 5 as well

New Jerusalem:
Revelation 21-2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.And I saw the holy city,

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; new Jerusalem, coming down.


2 The church and NJ are both called "the dwelling place of God."

The Church:
Ephesians 2-22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.


New Jerusalem:
Revelation 21-3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God


3. Believers and New Jerusalem both posses living water (the Holy Spirit).

Believers:

John 7-38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.

New Jerusalem:
Revelation 22-1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb
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4. The righteous and New Jerusalem both have paths of light and purity.

The Righteous:
I John 1-5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Proverbs 4-18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.


New Jerusalem:
Revelation 21-23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.


5. The church and NJ are both built on foundations of the apostles.

The Church:
Ephesians 2-19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:


New Jerusalem:
Revelation 21-14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.



6. The church and NJ both posses eternal life and produce fruit by the Spirit.

The Church
1 John 5-13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Galatians 5-22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

New Jerusalem:
Revelation 22-2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her
fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

7. The church and NJ are both built as lively stones.

The Church:
1 Peter 2-4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

New Jerusalem:
Revelation 21-19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. {People from all nations}The first foundation was jasper the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
VIII. The blameless and NJ both have a dimension of 144,000.

The Church:

Revelation 14-1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and

forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

New Jerusalem:
Revelation 21-16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
{144,000 cubed, the house of the remnant}



 

Locutus

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The bride is figurative, there is no marriage - these are figures, just as there were no wheat and tares, the figures are representing "things"
 

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You often hear Christians say that the Body of Christ (the church) is the bride of Christ. I've looked at verses that people use but the context reveals that the topic has nothing to do with such a title but simply the dynamic between a husband and wife (treating each other with love).

So, I continued to look into it and in so doing, it seems that the bride is in reference to Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:9-10 King James Version (KJV)

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

I find no where in scripture that we, the Body of Christ, are referenced to as the Bride of Christ. In fact, we are even described as guests of the Bridegroom (in parables). So why then is it so widely accepted that the Church is the Bride of Christ when scripture shows no foundation for such a belief (in my understanding)?

I am completely open to being shown the truth on this matter if there is a case to be made, but so far, in my studies and reading, I have found no such evidence to describe us as the Bride of Christ. Only Jerusalem, plainly stated as the Lamb's wife in Revelations.
****this may help...
[h=3]What does it mean that the church is the bride of Christ? - Got Questions[/h]
 

Locutus

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Technically the "bride" was Israel/Judah of the 1st century AD with the Gentiles invited - wedding and harvest motifs go together:

Mat 3:12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire

He's previously warned his hearers:

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

It seems to me that there is an "audience" related connection between the harvest and the "wrath to come".

John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

John's gospel helps us flesh out the timing and who is being harvested - "fields; for they are white already to harvest".

Mat 9:37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;

Mat 9:38 KJV Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

I think we are well within reason to say the "labourers" were his apostles and disciples of the 1st century.

A slightly different view point of the tares and wheat:

Mat 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
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Mat 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

This is an obvious allusion to destruction of 1st century Jerusalem.

The wedding and the harvest are all part and parcel of the same motif
 

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Who is the Bride of Christ?

When John sees the new heaven and earth appear, he is called to come see the Bride of the Lamb[1]. He is then shown the Holy City, New Jerusalem, descending to the ground prepared as a bride.

Wow. A new heaven and earth. Sweet. And a capitol city, adorned as a bride for her ruler. Now, when God talks about a city He refers to the people who live there. Jesus made an example of this when He wept over Jerusalem, saying how much He longed to take the city in His arms[2]. Jesus didn’t want to hold the buildings, He was loving the people. In the passages of Revelation, we get not only a description of how the Holy City looks, but also of the people within it. So who are those who inhabit it?

John records hearing a loud voice declaring that God’s tabernacle is with men, that these are His people and He is their God. There are no more tears, pain, death, or sorrow, and old things are passed away. God declares all things new, and promises to give freely of the water of life to those who thirst. He says those who overcome shall inherit these things and be His sons. John says There is no temple because God and the Lamb are its temple, and there is no sun or moon because they are its light.

He goes on to say that the nations of the saved shall walk in the city’s light, that the kings and nations will bring their glory and honor into it, and that only those whose names are written in the Book of life will ever enter. John is shown the river of life, and the tree of life, whose leaves are for the healing of these nations. He hears it declared that the curse of separation is over and God can once again live with His servants, on whose foreheads is the name of God. They reign forever and ever.

There are two different groups here inhabiting this new earth. There are those who live in New Jerusalem where God takes residence, and there are nations of the saved who live outside the city and interact with it. Remember now, this is the new earth, all those here are His. So while most of us do live in a world with His presence, there is a special subset He draws even nearer to live with Him.

One thing we see is that God will live in the City with His servants. Servants can take the form of tradesmen, who are paid a wage and work it will, or slaves who are given neither consideration. In Old Testament times if you had a slave you had to offer him his freedom after a period of service[3]. But if you were a good and loving master he might not have wanted to leave. So you would pierce his ear as a symbol of his becoming your bondservant. In return for his agreeing to be your slave for life, you agreed to care for him and his family for life. When God speaks about His servants He speaks of His bondservants, those who when offered freedom have chosen servitude.

This City population also includes those who "overcome.” Overcome is a fighting term, meaning to gain victory against an adversary in combat. In Jesus’ letters to the churches He commends their good works, rebukes their wrongs, exhorts them to seek a special understanding, and makes a specific promise to "those who overcome.” They are promised to eat from the tree of life; to not be hurt by the second death; to be given hidden manna and a white stone with a new name on it unknown to any others but themselves and God. They are to be given power over the nations. They are also to be given the morning star, to be clothed in white and to never have their names blotted out from the book of life but confessed before the Father and His angels. They are to be made pillars in the temple of God and to never go out from it, and to have written on them the name of the City of God. Given new names they are granted to sit down with Jesus on His throne as was granted Him when He overcame and sat down with the Father.

These promises are all identifiable to those given by John to the inhabitants of New Jerusalem. One new promise is that of being given the morning star. Jesus called himself the Morning Star[4], and promised to give Himself as such to His Bride.

These people also eat from the tree of life, whereas in the earlier passage we saw that the leaves of the tree are for the nations.

Let’s look at that word ‘Overcoming’. In Revelation those who overcome are to be clothed in white. Daniel, in his visions, was told that after the beast had overcome the saints, many will be refined, purified, and made white. Then in Revelation 7:9-17 we see a vast multitude standing before the throne of God, wearing white robes and praising Him. These are described as those who come out of the great tribulation having washed their robes in the Blood of the Lamb. These are promised to serve God before His throne day and night, and God will dwell among them. They hunger and thirst no more; the sun does not shine on them; the Lamb of the Throne will shepherd them and lead them to living waters; and their tears are wiped away. Rev. 6:9-11 shows us the souls of those slain for the Word of God and His testimony under the altar, and they cry out to God asking when He will avenge their blood. They are each given a white robe and are told to rest a while longer until the number of their brethren who are likewise killed is complete.

Dwelling on the word "overcome”, if we dig a little more we find two specific things overcome in the end time. One is the world, the other is Satan. We find that the world is overcome by the Blood of Jesus, but the Blood of the Lamb is specifically named in connection with the casting out of Satan[5]. We were told that Satan is overcome by the Blood of the Lamb, and the testimony of ‘those who do not love their lives unto death’.

This should put together some kind of picture for you. Jesus’ bride are those who have sealed themselves to God as true bondslaves willing to die for Him. They will be His Bide and live with Him in the City. And the rest of us will live outside the City in nations of the saved.

If I may rile some people; nowhere yet have we seen "the Church” in descriptions of His bride. This is unusual, because the Church is very much universally accepted as being the Bride of Christ. That connection comes from Ephesians 5:22-33, where Paul talks about husbands loving their wives as Christ loves the Church. In trying to explain what he calls a mystery, Paul quotes Genesis 2:23 where God declares that man and woman will become one flesh. In this setting God has just taken part of Adam’s body (his rib) to create his wife, Eve. Paul specifically calls the church the body of Christ; Jesus is called the second Adam[6]. To fit the pattern of Adam would it not follow that a part, and not all, of His body will be taken to create His bride? But nowhere does it say Church. It says those who seal their love of Him to the death.

Jesus talked about people entering into a wedding feast, and they were called blessed because they were invited. But in a Biblical wedding feast the bride was not invited and did not attend. She was sequestered away someplace being prepared for the wedding night. After the feast the groom would go to take his bride from that place. An example of this is Jacob’s marriage to Rachel[7]. If his bride to be had been at the wedding feast he would have known he was being given Leah instead. So again there are two groups here… the general populace who feast with God, and those give their life as a Slave and Bride to Him.

In another place[8] Paul explains further. He says he wishes to present us to the Lord as a chaste virgin. But then he fears, that we be deceived and corrupt that purity. I think what Paul meant is that the Church, the aggregate body of all who believe in Christ, BC or AD, have been born virgin for betrothal to the Lord. But this virginal quality can be corrupted on an individual basis. Those of His people who don’t fall to this corruption will be taken from those who do, to become His bride. The rib from the body.

Perhaps His Bride could also be seen by looking at her prefiguration (or Biblical pattern, getting back to that repeating history thing). God will physically dwell on the New Earth in New Jerusalem. On Old Earth (our Earth) God physically dwelt on earth in the Tabernacle and the Temple, the basic difference being that one (the Tabernacle) was mobile and the other (the Temple) a fixed site. The facilities both consisted of a central structure surrounded by a walled courtyard. One tribe (the Levites) were called apart from the family to serve inside the tabernacle/temple as God’s priests. The other tribes lived outside but brought their sacrifices into the tabernacle/temple. This is what John saw with the New Earth and New Jerusalem - the only difference being nations instead of tribes, a city instead of a tent/building, and commerce instead of sacrifice.

We heard earlier that a biblical bride went somewhere to wait and prepare for the groom. So where does She go ? Remember Jesus’ statement that those in Judea should flee to the mountains when they see the abomination of desolation, and our noting that the Judeans were very close and loyal to Him? We also saw the Revelation 12 prophecy of the woman who fled to a place prepared for her in the wilderness where she is cared for. Hosea 2 talks about the day of the Lord, as God speaks about Israel’s harlotry and His judgment upon her, after which He allures her into the wilderness and speaks comfort to her there. She is given vineyards as in the day she was called up out of Egypt, and she now calls Him Husband, not master. These people will be taken by God to a place of safety and preparation.

Back to the tribulation for a moment. We saw that there was worldly judgment, then the desolation of Jerusalem, then not just the catching up of God’s people but others being told to flee. There is a group who are drawn to a place of protection during the feast and millennium and the final battle, and in the recreation and new creation of earth and heavens. What we looked at before regarding what it’s like during that millennium talked about a group who are sequestered away, over whom the ‘second death’ at the very end has no place. So there are those who come out of the resurrection/’rapture’ who are sequestered as a bride during the millennium and final judgment.

God will have a pure and chaste bride - those who are committed to be His eternal bondservants to the death. Not all of His people will be a part of her, but each of us has a chance to be. It all depends on how much we love our Creator, and whether we let our simple dependence upon Him be corrupted.



[HR][/HR][1] Rev. 21, 22


[2] Matt. 23:37


[3] Gen. 21:1-6


[4] Rev. 22:16


[5] Rev. 7 and 12


[6] 1 Cor. 15:22, 45-49


[7] Gen. 29


[8] 2 Cor. 11
 

Ahwatukee

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Hello Rickyz,

If I may rile some people; nowhere yet have we seen "the Church” in descriptions of His bride. This is unusual, because the Church is very much universally accepted as being the Bride of Christ.


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I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him."

I'd just like to point out that, John does not say that the new Jerusalem [is] the bride of Christ, but the scripture states that the new new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven [prepared as a bride]. He is making a comparison that the new Jerusalem, in appearance is like a bride, not that she is the bride. The believers within the church make up the bride of Christ.

The bride/church is also seen in heaven during the great tribulation receiving her wedding clothes, as demonstrated in Rev.19:6-8 -

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Hallelujah!
For our Lord God Almighty reigns!

Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For [the wedding of the Lamb] has come, and [his bride] has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.”

How could a city be given clothes to wear? Those who were given their fine linen, bright and clean, are then seen in Rev.19:14 riding on white horses and wearing their white clothing. The reference to the new Jerusalem, is that with her twelve foundations each made of precious stone, her garnishment of precious stones and the city being make of pure gold, she is compared to as a bride beautifully adorned for her husband. But the church is the bride of Christ.
 
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Hello Rickyz,



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I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him."

I'd just like to point out that, John does not say that the new Jerusalem [is] the bride of Christ, but the scripture states that the new new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven [prepared as a bride]. He is making a comparison that the new Jerusalem, in appearance is like a bride, not that she is the bride. The believers within the church make up the bride of Christ.

The bride/church is also seen in heaven during the great tribulation receiving her wedding clothes, as demonstrated in Rev.19:6-8 -

"
Hallelujah!
For our Lord God Almighty reigns!

Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For [the wedding of the Lamb] has come, and [his bride] has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.”

How could a city be given clothes to wear? Those who were given their fine linen, bright and clean, are then seen in Rev.19:14 riding on white horses and wearing their white clothing. The reference to the new Jerusalem, is that with her twelve foundations each made of precious stone, her garnishment of precious stones and the city being make of pure gold, she is compared to as a bride beautifully adorned for her husband. But the church is the bride of Christ.
It does say that actually...

Revelation 21:2 King James Version (KJV)

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Thats the verse you're thinking of but read this verse down below.


Revelation 21:9-11 King James Version (KJV)

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
 
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Very true Locutus, most of Revelation is figurative
 

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Read all the other "like unto's" in Matthew:

Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
 

Ahwatukee

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Very true Locutus, most of Revelation is figurative
Greetings willybob,

With all due respect, most of Revelation is not figurative. This is exactly why many do not understand it and that because they ignore what is meant to be literal. All of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which are the wrath of God, are all events which will take place literally. The book of Revelation should be read in the literal sense unless a symbolic/figurative interpretation is obvious.
 
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willybob

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Are we going to see a 50 ft woman with Mystery Babylon written on her forehead roaming the earth in the last days. Same with the mark of the beast, it is metaphoric for having the stigma of sin.....Jesus said pluck out the eye and cut off the hand (do anything it takes to stop sinning)...The evil minds eye is the mark in the forehead that can't cease from lusting, the hand represent covertness (get all you can and can all you can get)..................