the ministry of condemnation

[Hizikyah]

Did you notice what I said in the rest of the post? It's very telling to see deceitfulness being done by taking a part of what is said without the rest being quoted.

No I included your entire post, it is at the top of post #58, I re-copied it and showed a part I wanted to focus on.

You said what you said. I did not twist anything. Also all I did was post Scripture, I made no claim for or against you so.......

To me this can be figured out very easily, if you will answer a single question.

Are Messiah's words pre-Sacrifice binding to a Christian?

 

[Grace777x70]

No I included your entire post, it is at the top of post #58, I re-copied it and showed a part I wanted to focus on.

You said what you said. I did not twist anything. Also all I did was post Scripture, I made no claim for or against you so.......

To me this can be figured out very easily, if you will answer a single question.

Are Messiah's words pre-Sacrifice binding to a Christian?

No you didn't post my "qualifier" on following Jesus of the gospels but it's all right there to be seen. My post was #57 - compare that "real" one with what you did. Anyway I don't care for deceitfulness but I will this once answer your question about the words of Jesus.

No, not all of Jesus's words that He said before the cross are binding to the Christian now in the New Covenant.

Do we show ourselves to a priest now when we are healed? Do we go to Jerusalem first then Judea and Samaria to preach the gospel like He said to do? There are many instances like this.

Do we need to forgive in order to be forgiven in the New Covenant? No, Paul shows that we forgive because we have a new heart and because we are forgiven by God in Christ.

Do we follow all of the law of Moses now - all 613 laws? No. Jesus was born under the law so that He could redeem us from the law.

Galatians 4:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

I know this conflicts with you Hebrew Roots false doctrine of keeping the law of Moses for life and living now. But as I and many others have told you - you are exchanging Christ Himself for the law of Moses and thus committing spiritual adultery. We will not desert our Lord.

 

[Hizikyah]

No, not all of Jesus's words that He said before the cross are binding to the Christian now in the New Covenant.

2 John/Yahanan 1:9, "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of the Messiah, does not have Yah. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

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Oh and again... You cool picture is 100% against WRITTEN SCRIPTURE:

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושע Messiah."



Revelation 14:12, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.”

 

[Grace777x70]

Christ is living in us.

Romans 7:3-6 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.


[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.

[SUP]6[/SUP] But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

To go back to the law of Moses for life and living while our husband the Lord Jesus Christ is alive - it is committing spiritual adultery.

I see you didn't answer the deceitfulness of leaving out my "qualifier" about Jesus and the gospels. I see you still have not answered JGIG's questions for the 2nd time about your attending the spring feasts in Jerusalem.

We don't bring these things up to try to make you look bad - we do it to reveal exactly what is going on with this living by the law of Moses extreme Hebrew Roots false doctrine that denies the very work of Christ and the grace of God that is in Christ for life and living. We don't want young Christians to be deceived by exchanging Christ Himself for the law of Moses.

The law of Moses has done it's job and brought us to our precious Lord and Savior. Now it is time to live by Christ who lives within us.

We follow Him and the Holy Spirit within us reveals the truth about Christ to us and we do get this truth by the words of Jesus and of course Paul that explains the gospel out. Without Paul - we would have no idea what happened from the cross to the resurrection and the fact that we too died with Christ and was raised with Him to this newness of life.

We follow Christ in the newness of the spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Rom. 7:6 - But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

I wish you well and encourage you to put Christ as your all and all and NOT in the law of Moses. In Him is the life. For we have died and our life is hidden with Christ in God.

 

[Grandpa]

The "Ministry Of Condemnation" sounds like some government bureau in England.


I think it's the department they send you to if you're at any other government bureau...
and then you complain about something.

Their agents are trained there and then go to work at the DMV and IRS...

 

[followjesus]

Your claim was that Jesus did not teach the law. You defied any and
all to show you where He did, so I showed you. You are welcome.

He didnt teach it magents lol

Luke 10: 23-28 "And he turned him unto his DISCIPLES AND SAID privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see: For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to HEAR those things which ye hear, and have NOT HEARD them."
And, behold, a certain LAWYER stood up, and TEMPTED HIM, saying, Master, what shall I DO to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in THE LAW? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live."


is this Jesus teaching the Law? or is Jesus answering a teacher of the Law who is tempting Him to have basis for accusation, that teachers of the mosaic Law, need to obey the Law? is Jesus teaching the Law of moses? or is He saying to someone who already knows the Law of moses, you need to obey the Law?


This also however is part of the gospel " Practice what you preach" would be applicable, this is in no way Jesus teaching "the law of moses 2.0" <<<(a ridiculous claim having no basis of truth) it is His address to a lawyer tempting Him looking for an accusation based on Law. and in no way is this saying " Jesus taught the Law of moses. Further more "Love fulfills Gods Law" the 10 commandments" it doesnt fulfill the regulations written in the book of Moses Law. the commandments resided in the ark, the book of the Law was seperate, it was finished by Moses and placed Beside the ark as a witness against isreal.


Jesus took the book that was a witness against Christians away, not the 10 commandments. 2 different things. The tablets of the covenant Law of God v the book of the Law of moses.


even more than this, there is a teaching if one continues about what Love actually is ( the good samaritan) and beforehand it is made evident that Jesus was teaching a new thing, that the prophets never Heard. and all of the prophets knew the Law. Jesus didnt teach the mosaic Law, He respected it. He also told those who trusted in Moses Law, to keep it. Good advice even in todays world and the reason paul warned against being circumcised into the Law.


where is Jesus teaching the Law though? Not where is He telling those who knew and taught the law, to keep it, but where is His ministry teaching a new version is the subject. Based on the fact that so many seem to be confused about who taught the Law of MOSES. and the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

 

[Grandpa]

2 John/Yahanan 1:9, "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of the Messiah, does not have Yah. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”




Oh and again... You cool picture is 100% against WRITTEN SCRIPTURE:

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."



Revelation 14:12, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.”

Romans 9:31-32
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Galatians 3:9-12
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[FONT=&quot]9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

2 Corinthians 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.[/FONT]
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[followjesus]

Christ is living in us.

Romans 7:3-6 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.


[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.

[SUP]6[/SUP] But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

To go back to the law of Moses for life and living while our husband the Lord Jesus Christ is alive - it is committing spiritual adultery.

I see you didn't answer the deceitfulness of leaving out my "qualifier" about Jesus and the gospels. I see you still have not answered JGIG's questions for the 2nd time about your attending the spring feasts in Jerusalem.

We don't bring these things up to try to make you look bad - we do it to reveal exactly what is going on with this living by the law of Moses extreme Hebrew Roots false doctrine that denies the very work of Christ and the grace of God that is in Christ for life and living. We don't want young Christians to be deceived by exchanging Christ Himself for the law of Moses.

The law of Moses has done it's job and brought us to our precious Lord and Savior. Now it is time to live by Christ who lives within us.

We follow Him and the Holy Spirit within us reveals the truth about Christ to us and we do get this truth by the words of Jesus and of course Paul that explains the gospel out. Without Paul - we would have no idea what happened from the cross to the resurrection and the fact that we too died with Christ and was raised with Him to this newness of life.

We follow Christ in the newness of the spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Rom. 7:6 - But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

I wish you well and encourage you to put Christ as your all and all and NOT in the law of Moses. In Him is the life. For we have died and our life is hidden with Christ in God.

Who taught the gospel bruce? and who taught the Law of Moses?

your motivation has been clear from about a month into our year long relationship here. The reason you will not accept the teachings of Jesus Christ ( the Gospel) is that you are convinced that He didnt teach the gospel. you have to say " Jesus taught the mosaic Law, because of the scriptures you are wuoting about dying to the Law OF MOSES, that was always a witness against sinners. you know very well my position that christians are not obligated to obey THE LAW OF MOSES.

when you cant accept Jesus taught the gospel which He did according to His words again and again in the many scriptures ive already left and can provide double that amount saying the exact same thing, you are denying the only Gospel in existance. you have always said this " i would never deny Jesus words I Love Jesus"

Yet when Jesus says very clearly " I have come to preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God" you come back with " Jesus taught the magnified Law, the gospel is " Grace" why do you never ever accept His words, and yet " ill never deny Jesus words?

who came to preach the Gospel of God Bruce? Was it Jesus? Is the Gospel the TEACHINGS, COMMANDS, SAYINGS, PRINCIPLES jesus taught His disciples or will you again deny that?


Hebrews 1:1-2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners SPAKE IN TIMES PAST unto the fathers BY THE PROPHETS, Hath in these LAST DAYS SPOKEN UNTO US BY HIS SON, whom he hath APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, by whom also he made the worlds."


Mark 1:1 "The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD"


Mark 1:14-15 "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, And saying, THE TIME IS FULFILLED, and THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND: REPENT ye, and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL" <<<


Matthew 4:16-17 "The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.From that time Jesus began to PREACH, and to say, REPENT: for the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND."


Matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."


Matthew 9:35 "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people."


Luke 4:18"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to PREACH THE GOSPEL to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to PREACH DELIVERANCE to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised" (ISAIAH 61:1)


john 3: 31-36 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received HIS TESTIMONY hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent SPEAKETH THE WORDS OF GOD: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN ALL THINGS INTO HIS HANDS. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that BELIEVETH NOT THE SON shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." ( deuteronomy 18:15-19, acts 3 :22-26)


John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. "


John 12: 48-50 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the Commandments of Yah?"

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."

Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."

2 Peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:160, "The sum of Your word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever.[/FONT]

 

[followjesus]

Romans 9:31-32
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Galatians 3:9-12

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

2 Corinthians 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

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"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."


john 6:63 "....the words that I (Jesus) Have spoken to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE."

yes we obey through the holy spirit, the spirit comes through t=faith in Jesus believing the Gospel unto obedience.

john 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

thats what Jesus says regarding where the spirit comes from.

john 14:25-16 "These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

this should explain why the word of Jesus, meaning His ministry teachings, commands will never part from the spirit, and the spirit will always remind the believer of what Jesus said on earth. we rely on Gods power because we receive the spirit of Christ through exactly what Jesus said about it. Obeying Jesus will always be correct Because the things that He taught, are the gospel as well as His death and resurrection ( which He spoke beforehand, and the prophets spoke before that) Paul doesnt change a thing, He is spreading the gospel not inventing it

 

[Grace777x70]

Who taught the gospel bruce? and who taught the Law of Moses?

your motivation has been clear from about a month into our year long relationship here. The reason you will not accept the teachings of Jesus Christ ( the Gospel) is that you are convinced that He didnt teach the gospel. you have to say " Jesus taught the mosaic Law, because of the scriptures you are wuoting about dying to the Law OF MOSES, that was always a witness against sinners. you know very well my position that christians are not obligated to obey THE LAW OF MOSES.

when you cant accept Jesus taught the gospel which He did according to His words again and again in the many scriptures ive already left and can provide double that amount saying the exact same thing, you are denying the only Gospel in existance. you have always said this " i would never deny Jesus words I Love Jesus"

Yet when Jesus says very clearly " I have come to preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God" you come back with " Jesus taught the magnified Law, the gospel is " Grace" why do you never ever accept His words, and yet " ill never deny Jesus words?

who came to preach the Gospel of God Bruce? Was it Jesus? Is the Gospel the TEACHINGS, COMMANDS, SAYINGS, PRINCIPLES jesus taught His disciples or will you again deny that?

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As I said in post # 60 - Jesus taught both to those that needed it. He taught the gospel of grace which is the kingdom of God to those that knew they needed a Savior. He taught the law of Moses on steroids 2.0 for those that thought they were righteous and thus expose their need for a Savior.

Jesus elevated the law of Moses to expose the self-righteous - "You have heard it said - thou shall not commit adultery - but "Isay" - if you even lust after her in your heart - you have committed adultery". Jesus elevated the Law - hence Moses 2.0.

I have stated many times that Jesus spoke the grace of God and yet you continue to lie and slander by saying that I say that Jesus didn't preach the gospel. I have stated many, many times that Jesus Himself is the gospel. Where do you come up with these lies Jason? You know better than that. That's not who you are in Christ. Your malice and bitterness has affected your mind my friend. There is a much better life for you in the Lord.

The gospel that is being preached in the book of Acts is found in 2 accounts which we have - word-for-word accounts being preached by Peter and Paul. In Acts 10 and Acts 13.

Go read them and there you will see what the gospel is that we are to be proclaiming and it is all about Jesus and what he has already done in His finished work on the cross and in His resurrection. We too died with Christ on that cross and we too rose from the dead with Christ.

The 4 gospels tell of the life of Christ and what He did and said while on this earth. Jesus spoke of the kingdom of God and displayed the will and true nature of the Father to us. He is the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world.

Without Paul's epistles - we would have no idea what happened at Golgatha that day.

The disciples that "followed" Jesus for 3 and 1/2 years had no idea what happened which is why they had all scattered.

 

[followjesus]

1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the Commandments of Yah?"

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."

Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."

2 Peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

Psalm 119:160, "The sum of Your word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever.

"Psalm 119:160, "The sum of Your word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever."

john 17:8 "For I have given unto them THE WORDS which thou GAVEST ME; and they have RECEIVED THEM, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. "

john 17:17 "Sanctify them through thy truth: THY WORD IS TRUTH."

john 17:20-26 "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.25O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them."


"THIER WORD"
Matthew 28:16-20 "Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[Grace777x70]

The proclamation of Christ produces the profession of Christ, but the explanation of Christ is what produces the experience of Christ.

Believers can never fully enjoy the triumph of the gospel and express Christ in this world victoriously until there has been an explanation and exposition of the vivid details of the redemptive work of Christ that has gained a foothold in our renewed minds.

The 4 gospels were eyewitness accounts of the historical events in the life and ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ. Christianity is based on the veracity of these events as having occurred in real time, in all historicity and specificity.

Nevertheless it is the unveiling of the spiritual realities of these events that relates to the believer in Christ. This is found in the revelation that the Lord Jesus Christ gave to the apostle Paul.

The 4 gospels are the proclamation of the gospel. They disclose to us what men saw. Acts of the apostles is the demonstration of the gospel, but it is Paul's letters which give us an explanation of the gospel. It is the Pauline Epistles that are the constitution of this church age.

Paul's epistles explain what happened from the cross, death, burial, quickening and resurrection to the being seated at the right hand of the Father. Without these epistles we would have no idea what Jesus our Lord actually accomplished for us.

Paul was taught by Jesus Christ Himself to explain His gospel = to reveal the mystery that was hidden in God until it was revealed by Christ to Paul. The mystery being Christ Himself and the riches of that glory is that Christ is in us and we are in Him!

 

[followjesus]

As I said in post # 60 - Jesus taught both to those that needed it. He taught the gospel of grace which is the kingdom of God to those that knew they needed a Savior. He taught the law of Moses on steroids 2.0 for those that thought they were righteous and thus expose their need for a Savior.

Jesus elevated the law of Moses to expose the self-righteous - "You have heard it said - thou shall not commit adultery - but "Isay" - if you even lust after her in your heart - you have committed adultery". Jesus elevated the Law - hence Moses 2.0.

I have stated many times that Jesus spoke the grace of God and yet you continue to lie and slander by saying that I say that Jesus didn't preach the gospel. I have stated many, many times that Jesus Himself is the gospel. Where do you come up with these lies Jason? You know better than that. That's not who you are in Christ. Your malice and bitterness has affected your mind my friend. There is a much better life for you in the Lord.

The gospel that is being preached in the book of Acts is found in 2 accounts which we have - word-for-word accounts being preached by Peter and Paul. In Acts 10 and Acts 13.

Go read them and there you will see what the gospel is that we are to be proclaiming and it is all about Jesus and what he has already done in His finished work on the cross and in His resurrection. We too died with Christ on that cross and we too rose from the dead with Christ.

The 4 gospels tell of the life of Christ and what He did and said while on this earth. Jesus spoke of the kingdom of God and displayed the will and true nature of the Father to us. He is the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world.

Without Paul's epistles - we would have no idea what happened at Golgatha that day.

The disciples that "followed" Jesus for 3 and 1/2 years had no idea what happened which is why they had all scattered.

lol alrighty. so do you now think we should probably not continue the constant argument bruce? this must be the 10th time ive asked you to go spin the circle of ommission and jp explainsations of " what the word really means" elsewhwere in the spirit of keeping peace.

Jesus Christ taught the gospel, paul was preaching the same Gospel as Jesus taught, its not " Grace alone" it is fully spoken By Jesus Christ, paul was simply spreading the One Gospel of the Kingdom, repentance required, and real faith as naoh and abraham had" they believed and therefore acted Because God spoke. God has spoken through His Son, to reject Him is condemnation.

Paulks own words on trial acts 26: 19-23 "Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. 21For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. 22Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: 23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles."

you guys speak so much of "Pauls heavenly revelation" and right Here you have paul saying what He preached in response to that Vision. pauls big mystery was that you no longer had to be an isrealite to belong to God. it changed nothing regarding repentance of sin, or obedience to God. Old obedience was to obey Moses, the New is to obey Christ.


foolishness to preach anything other than hearing and obeying Jesus...But im sure to you this is " the law of moses"

matthew 7:24-27 "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."

Just so you understand why i consider it foolishness to preach anything else. why do you guys insist on arguing dont you see any value in maybe writing your own ops and arguing with those who come and tell you you are wrong? if you believe the things you write, write them as ops, and you will never need argue with me again and it will benifit myself , you, and anyone else whos sick of this ridiculous debate whether the gospel is really the gospel, or if we are supposed to omit everything besides the word grace. lets keep peace between us, i have no interest in hearing the same ommissions and you explaining why what Jesus taught is not for a christian. thats about the only condemnation that exists in His gospel, denying His word. just fyi.

 

[Grandpa]

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"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."


john 6:63 "....the words that I (Jesus) Have spoken to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE."

yes we obey through the holy spirit, the spirit comes through t=faith in Jesus believing the Gospel unto obedience.

john 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

thats what Jesus says regarding where the spirit comes from.

john 14:25-16 "These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

this should explain why the word of Jesus, meaning His ministry teachings, commands will never part from the spirit, and the spirit will always remind the believer of what Jesus said on earth. we rely on Gods power because we receive the spirit of Christ through exactly what Jesus said about it. Obeying Jesus will always be correct Because the things that He taught, are the gospel as well as His death and resurrection ( which He spoke beforehand, and the prophets spoke before that) Paul doesnt change a thing, He is spreading the gospel not inventing it

I am convinced that you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[followjesus]

I am convinced that you have no idea what you are talking about.

wonderful, may i suggest acting on that and quit wasting your time on such foolishness ? seems a wise choice to me, if i were convinced someone had no idea what they are talking about, id wish them well and move on to someone who im convinced actually does make sense. God bless you though.

 

[followjesus]

No I included your entire post, it is at the top of post #58, I re-copied it and showed a part I wanted to focus on.

You said what you said. I did not twist anything. Also all I did was post Scripture, I made no claim for or against you so.......

To me this can be figured out very easily, if you will answer a single question.

Are Messiah's words pre-Sacrifice binding to a Christian?

Do you remember the carnival game " whack a mole"?

 

[MadebyHim]

Job's friends and family condemned him, blaming him that it was his fault that God had allowed those things come on him. Then in chapter 42 of Job, Job repented and was restored. God chastened the friends and told them. Job 42:7-8,And so it was, after the Lord had spoken these words to Job, that the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has. Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and My servant Job shall pray for you. For I will accept him, lest I deal with you according to your folly; because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.

 

[followjesus]

Job's friends and family condemned him, blaming him that it was his fault that God had allowed those things come on him. Then in chapter 42 of Job, Job repented and was restored. God chastened the friends and told them. Job 42:7-8,And so it was, after the Lord had spoken these words to Job, that the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has. Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and My servant Job shall pray for you. For I will accept him, lest I deal with you according to your folly; because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.

true stuff.

 

[Exodus1]

The prophet Moses was now called upon to act as the mediator between God and the encamped people. God now proposed a covenant between Himself and the people and set forth the purpose of the covenant. To Moses, up on Mount Horeb, He said: “This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and to tell the sons of Israel, ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, that I might carry you on wings of eagles and bring you to myself. And now if you will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then you will certainly become my special property out of all other peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. And you yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’”—Exodus 19:3-6. God’s covenant with Israel was meant to be a blessing not a curse!! Failure to obey brought condemnation.