Is it sinful to judge others for their Christian beliefs?

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Prov910

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1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." --Matthew 7:1-2

1 "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters." --Romans 14:1

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Is it a sin to judge others for their Christian beliefs?

First example: I personally don't think it's a sin to have a glass of wine. Some denominations think it's sinful to have any alcohol. (I'm not talking about getting drunk--just a glass or two of wine or a beer.)

Second example: I worship on Sunday. Some denominations point to Saturday as being the Sabbath, and feel it's a sin not to set aside Saturday as the Sabbath.

Is it a sin for others to judge me as a sinner for having a glass of wine or going to Sunday church services?
(No need to address the issue in this thread of whether I am sinning when I have a glass of wine or go to Sunday church services.)
 

Desertsrose

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Hi Prov,

It is sinful to condemn others for any reason.

There are Jewish believers who celebrate their holidays and it's not sin. There are Jews who worship on Saturday and it's not sin. But to judge them for it is sin.

If they love God and have been born again and put their
faith in Jesus Christ and accept His sacrifice as the way to the Father, they are free to continue to their holiday celebrations.

The bible says one of the qualifications for elders is not to be given to much wine. In other words not drinking to excess.

The bible says that one man reveres one day over another and one man reveres each day alike.

We are not to judge these things. They are worshipping God. I praise the Lord for our differences. We tend to judge and fight over small unimportant issues that having nothing to do with worshipping our Lord in Spirit and in Truth.
 

BenFTW

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Its rather sad isn't it? A person will seek to point out the faults in another, but won't take the time to exhort them instead, or as well. Why when/if a Christian is found to be committing a sin does a person throw judgement and condemnation instead of revelation that sets them free?

Its all good and well, noticing a brother or sister to be in sin and then giving them correction to walk as we should. However, like in your examples, people can take it too far and just because they disagree with you (in doctrine) they excommunicate you as a sinner, and not their brethren (a child of God). This is wrong, and is directly opposed to the unity God wants for His children.

The people who judge to the degree that they disqualify other's salvation based upon doctrinal differences are in error, and are blind to God's grace. These doctrinal differences, of course, not being tenets of the faith, but rather other doctrines that neither save, nor condemn you (albeit still important).

How silly will they look when they see how much they had wrong in their understanding, compared to those they judged? Not that we should rejoice at such shame, but people need to lighten up and understand that people will differ in doctrine but that doesn't make them illegitimate (as God's children). Its a difference of opinion, an opinion that does make a difference, but shouldn't break unity and fellowship. Find the common ground, and go from there. Jesus is both yours and their Lord and Savior.
 
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let he who has no sin cast the first stone.


Nope.. Sorry,, I am not qualified to judge anyone.
 

wolfwint

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1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." --Matthew 7:1-2

1 "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters." --Romans 14:1

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Is it a sin to judge others for their Christian beliefs?

First example: I personally don't think it's a sin to have a glass of wine. Some denominations think it's sinful to have any alcohol. (I'm not talking about getting drunk--just a glass or two of wine or a beer.)

Second example: I worship on Sunday. Some denominations point to Saturday as being the Sabbath, and feel it's a sin not to set aside Saturday as the Sabbath.

Is it a sin for others to judge me as a sinner for having a glass of wine or going to Sunday church services?
(No need to address the issue in this thread of whether I am sinning when I have a glass of wine or go to Sunday church services.)
I would say no. I suppose there is no denomination which is 100% right with their doctrines and teachings. So long not the Bible says it is a sin ore it is not against that what God is revealing it is no sin. Also man made rules/teachings are not a sin. And i suppose many are man made. :)
 

Prov910

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Excellent post, Rose!

It seems clear-cut to me that breaking any of the ten commandments is a sin. (And there are a lot of other sins aside from the ten.) But things like smoking, drinking or the day we reserve as the Sabbath are less clear to me. I often listen to a Seventh Day Advent radio station (although I'm not SDA). I recently heard a prominent SDA minister on a call-in radio show tell a caller that smoking cigarettes is akin to slowly committing suicide, so smoking is a sin just like suicide. So ... was it a sin for that SDA minister to tell a caller that it's sinful to smoke cigarettes? (I am not advocating cigarette smoking, btw).

What about fish on Friday? Is it sinful to say it's a sin to eat any meat on Friday other than fish? These are the things I wonder about. :)
 

notuptome

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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Judge yourself and leave others to Gods judgment. Cite the scriptures and allow them to decide before God what they shall do or do not.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

DustyRhodes

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if it is a person who is new to the faith, it is good to illustrate to them that it is a sin but that is no judgement on them, just a helpful nudge... if it is a seasoned Christian, they well know what a sin is and therefore if you condemn the you condemn yourself cuz no one is without sin... i find that when it comes to sin, it is like bad breath, everyone notices everyone elses but no their own
 

Sac49

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We are a very judgemental creation. We judge others so we can then justify ourselves. In saying "I am not as bad as him because..." we just justied our own wrong doing. We have actually just "judged ourselves" also. We like to find fault in others because then we dont feel as bad about ourselves. In this way we lift ourselves up to make ourselves "feel good". When we judge others we are then becoming Pharisees who "puff themselves up" to look good.

Be careful when you start to judge others because we each have things we dont want others to judge us upon.
 
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People think we we are not to judge at all while the scriptures talk about righteous judgement
 

Hizikyah

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We are to judge between right and wrong, we are not to judge ones eternal fate, that is the position of Yahshua...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 12:2, “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of Yah.”[/FONT]
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Desertsrose

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Excellent post, Rose!

It seems clear-cut to me that breaking any of the ten commandments is a sin. (And there are a lot of other sins aside from the ten.) But things like smoking, drinking or the day we reserve as the Sabbath are less clear to me. I often listen to a Seventh Day Advent radio station (although I'm not SDA). I recently heard a prominent SDA minister on a call-in radio show tell a caller that smoking cigarettes is akin to slowly committing suicide, so smoking is a sin just like suicide. So ... was it a sin for that SDA minister to tell a caller that it's sinful to smoke cigarettes? (I am not advocating cigarette smoking, btw).

What about fish on Friday? Is it sinful to say it's a sin to eat any meat on Friday other than fish? These are the things I wonder about. :)

I can't tell you how many people will judge others for being overweight. (I'm skinny by the way so I have no issues for myself) :)

But when I read about gluttony, it seems to be associated with drunkardness. And that seems to be talking about laziness. This person eats and drinks to live to eat and drink and so becomes a lazy sluggard.

I'm not sure about the SDA preacher and smoking. I know it's bad for you, but so is eating fried foods all the time or popping pain killers throughout the day. Chemo is bad for you and drugs have serious side effects.

I realize the smoker doesn't have to smoke and chooses to do so where the others are necessary. So I don't really know. I may think it's something foolish to do, but does the bible cover it. I can't think of anything off hand that would forbid smoking except that we are to care for the temple of the Holy Spirit.

But again, would that forbid smoking. Not sure? So I don't judge.

But that also brings up the question of right judgement or righteous judgement. Righteous judgement wants what God wants and it comes to us with love in mind, with wanting the best for the other person to help them and not to hurt them.

Although church discipline, if done biblically can be hurtful, but it's for the purpose of restoration and it's an act of love.
 
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1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." --Matthew 7:1-2

1 "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters." --Romans 14:1

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Is it a sin to judge others for their Christian beliefs?

First example: I personally don't think it's a sin to have a glass of wine. Some denominations think it's sinful to have any alcohol. (I'm not talking about getting drunk--just a glass or two of wine or a beer.)

Second example: I worship on Sunday. Some denominations point to Saturday as being the Sabbath, and feel it's a sin not to set aside Saturday as the Sabbath.

Is it a sin for others to judge me as a sinner for having a glass of wine or going to Sunday church services?
(No need to address the issue in this thread of whether I am sinning when I have a glass of wine or go to Sunday church services.)
We have discussions on here all the time about doctrine that we feel Is errant that's the way It Is In the BDF:),Should we make provisions for the flesh?
 

notuptome

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Judge righteous judgments.

Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Hizikyah

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Luke 12:57, “And why, also, do you not judge for yourselves what is right?”

Ephesians 5:11, "Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them."

Proverbs 19:2, “It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.”

1 Corinthians 4:5, "The moral of this is that we should make no hasty or premature judgments."

Acts 5:29, “And Kepha and the other emissaries answering, said, “We have to obey Yah rather than men.”

James 5:19-20, “Brothers, if anyone among you goes astray from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the straying of his way shall save a life from death and cover a great number of sins.”

Leviticus 19:17, “Do not hate your brother in your heart. Reprove your neighbor, for certain, and bear no sin because of him.”
 

BillG

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We are to judge between right and wrong, we are not to judge ones eternal fate, that is the position of Yahshua...

2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”


Romans 12:2, “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of Yah.”

I totally agree with you that wee not to judge ones eternal fate. If we did then that could lead us not to witness to those that we consider would or could ever be saved.

However how can we judge between what is right and what is wrong when it comes to our walk with Jesus?

I was once told because I didn't pray in tongues then I wasn't saved. So I was judged two prong. I wasn't saved and it obviously was a sin that I didn't pray in tongues.

We we need to be very careful when we judge others, when we do so we are judging what we think is sinful. There is only one sin that leads to death and that's a wilful rejection of Christ.

Just so you know I am not getting at you, I would be interested to know what your thoughts are and expand on your comment or we are to judge between what is right and what is wrong.
 

Hizikyah

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I totally agree with you that wee not to judge ones eternal fate. If we did then that could lead us not to witness to those that we consider would or could ever be saved.

However how can we judge between what is right and what is wrong when it comes to our walk with Jesus?

I was once told because I didn't pray in tongues then I wasn't saved. So I was judged two prong. I wasn't saved and it obviously was a sin that I didn't pray in tongues.

We we need to be very careful when we judge others, when we do so we are judging what we think is sinful. There is only one sin that leads to death and that's a wilful rejection of Christ.

Just so you know I am not getting at you, I would be interested to know what your thoughts are and expand on your comment or we are to judge between what is right and what is wrong.
To simplify in my own words, without using Scripture, which I prefer to use Scripture, but here goes; We must as followers of Messiah know right from wrong according to the Spirit of YHWH, and we can make sure we are following the correct Spirit because everything it tells us will line up with Scripture if anything does not match Scripture, we are not in truth. So simply put, we can know how to judge rightly by Scripture. Now this does not mean judging people, however it does mean judging actions, works, walk, etc. If a brother is stealing, we a fellow followers of Messiah, know that is wrong and it is right to tell our brother that this conduct is wrong. Now stealing is an easy topic and we know some topics are not so easy talked about or approached, but the principle stays the same IMO.
 

Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."[/FONT]
 

BillG

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Its rather sad isn't it? A person will seek to point out the faults in another, but won't take the time to exhort them instead, or as well. Why when/if a Christian is found to be committing a sin does a person throw judgement and condemnation instead of revelation that sets them free?

Its all good and well, noticing a brother or sister to be in sin and then giving them correction to walk as we should. However, like in your examples, people can take it too far and just because they disagree with you (in doctrine) they excommunicate you as a sinner, and not their brethren (a child of God). This is wrong, and is directly opposed to the unity God wants for His children.

The people who judge to the degree that they disqualify other's salvation based upon doctrinal differences are in error, and are blind to God's grace. These doctrinal differences, of course, not being tenets of the faith, but rather other doctrines that neither save, nor condemn you (albeit still important).

How silly will they look when they see how much they had wrong in their understanding, compared to those they judged? Not that we should rejoice at such shame, but people need to lighten up and understand that people will differ in doctrine but that doesn't make them illegitimate (as God's children). Its a difference of opinion, an opinion that does make a difference, but shouldn't break unity and fellowship. Find the common ground, and go from there. Jesus is both yours and their Lord and Savior.
Amen end and well said.

When the adulteress woman was bought before Jesus what did he say? Does no one condemn you, then neither do I, now go sin no more"

Now I don't think Jesus expected her to not sin anymore, he identified a pattern of lifestyle that God did not want her to walk in.
He knew her lifestyle was not what God intended, by not condemning her I think he released her to not commit adultery. God instituted marriage and when we break a marriage, to me that's a sin but it is forgiven.


I think it is wrong to judge which in a sense it is condemning others.

Jesus said that he had to go back to the Father so that the Holy Spirit must come to convict the world of its sin, that sin being unbelief in him. The world has been judged, Gods judgement.

Did I judge other people? Yes I did. Do I now? NO, because I know what I am like. I know myself, God bought me to my knees and he said did Do I Condem you?

I love Jesus and want to be like him.

I will not judge others.

if you like a beer, glass of wine and can pray and praise him whilst doing so, praise him.
If you like a smoke and can pray and praise him whilst doing so, praise him (Spurgeon smoked)
if you don't speak in tongues but can pray and praise him, do so.

ultimatley we will all stand before God. We will give an account off what we have said, been and done.
 
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1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." --Matthew 7:1-2

1 "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters." --Romans 14:1

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Is it a sin to judge others for their Christian beliefs?

First example: I personally don't think it's a sin to have a glass of wine. Some denominations think it's sinful to have any alcohol. (I'm not talking about getting drunk--just a glass or two of wine or a beer.)

Second example: I worship on Sunday. Some denominations point to Saturday as being the Sabbath, and feel it's a sin not to set aside Saturday as the Sabbath.

Is it a sin for others to judge me as a sinner for having a glass of wine or going to Sunday church services?
(No need to address the issue in this thread of whether I am sinning when I have a glass of wine or go to Sunday church services.)
It depends on what you mean by judging.

Do I have a the ability to merit out punishment? No. I'm not that kind of judge.

Can I tell you if smoking or Saturdays has to be the Sabbath? Well, I can. Just as you can laugh at me for telling you such things.

Should I take the car, the bus, or the subway? That kind of decision is expected in everyone's life, and, yes. It requires judgement.

Do I have a duty to the church community if a church leader is cheating on his spouse? (1 Cor. 5-6) Yes, just as I have a duty to help that bro. But, if he doesn't listen, I have equal duty to take it to one or two other bros to go back with me to try and approach him again to repent. And if he doesn't listen to any of us, it really should be made public. He should no longer be part of the membership and leadership. And then we treat him like every other believer. Love and evangelizes him.

We will judge angels one day. But we only do that if we learn how to judge appropriately now.

Some dude telling me I'm sinning because I smoke and I don't think Sabbath has to be on a Saturday? I take that counsel like I take the dude. Someone I don't know and who doesn't know me? A good chuckle. Someone I do know and who knows me? I will listen to the counsel, and then take it to God to convict me, if I'm wrong in what I believe.

The problem is judging is such an all encompassing word, and it really does depend on which definition you're using.