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Actually ecumenism has been going on since the beginning, with the catholic church always trying to bring everyone together under their wings.
I can't say off hand what the definition of the word might be because it's uses vary.
My first introduction was in the 90's when the RCC developed open dialogue with the Anglican church and others and came into some type of agreements that I can't remember to comment on them.
Still being a young Christian at the time, there were other things more important to me to study up on.
I recently posted a blog off the internet speaking of the recent ecumenical movement going on in the RCC and the writer was saying it needed to move along more quickly.
I guess I'm saying there's stuff out there and not too difficult to find if one is really interested.
I can't say off hand what the definition of the word might be because it's uses vary.
My first introduction was in the 90's when the RCC developed open dialogue with the Anglican church and others and came into some type of agreements that I can't remember to comment on them.
Still being a young Christian at the time, there were other things more important to me to study up on.
I recently posted a blog off the internet speaking of the recent ecumenical movement going on in the RCC and the writer was saying it needed to move along more quickly.
I guess I'm saying there's stuff out there and not too difficult to find if one is really interested.
[h=3]Matthew 4:4 (KJV)[/h]
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by everyword that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
but by everyword that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Consider the person who loves and worships God and his only begotten son Jesus Christ, has repented, has received the Holy Spirit, and keeps God's commandments. If I understand your OP correctly, you're saying that person is not a Christian if that person has questions, skepticism or doubts about some aspect of the doctrine you present.
Is that person damned to hell because he questions or doubts some aspect of the doctrine you present above?
Is that person damned to hell because he questions or doubts some aspect of the doctrine you present above?
Heb 6:1 Therefore, leaving behind the elementary teachings about the Messiah, let us continue to be carried along to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead actions, faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this we will do, if God permits.
Can we call it maturity?
Do we really understand and agree on what is called the elementary principles?
Heb 6:2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this we will do, if God permits.
Can we call it maturity?
Do we really understand and agree on what is called the elementary principles?
Precepts of Men
Matthew 15:8,9
‘This people honors ME with their lips,
But their heart is far away from ME.
‘But in vain do they worship ME,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”
Wind of Doctrine by the Trickery of Men
Ephesians 4:14,15
As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ,
Strange Doctrines
1 Timothy 1:3,4
As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.
Doctrines of Demons
1 Timothy 4:1-5But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.
For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
Sound Doctrine
1 Timothy 4:6
In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following.
1 Timothy 6:1, 3-5
All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against.
If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing;
but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.
Titus 1:9
holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.
Titus 2:1,7, 10
- 1 But as for you, speak the things which are fitting for sound doctrine.
- 7 in all things show yourself to be an example of good deeds, with purity in doctrine,
-10 not pilfering, but showing all good faith so that they will adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect.
Unsound Doctrine
2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
Real Doctrine:
John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
False Doctrine/the commandments of men:
Mat 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
*Isayah 29:13-14, "Therefore YHWH said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men, will be hid."
calling lies of satan non-essential is giving lies a free pass imo...
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 5:11, "Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Proverbs 19:2, “It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 5:11, "Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Proverbs 19:2, “It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.”[/FONT]
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Well, two problems with your reasoning.
1. No one keeps God's Commandments perfectly.
2. Sin damns us to hell. God saves us. He doesn't give out the list for whom he saves nor will saved, so exactly how can anyone condemn a person?
What I was saying is if you don't believe those doctrines listed, then, yes! Serious question if you are a believer yet.
1. No one keeps God's Commandments perfectly.
2. Sin damns us to hell. God saves us. He doesn't give out the list for whom he saves nor will saved, so exactly how can anyone condemn a person?
What I was saying is if you don't believe those doctrines listed, then, yes! Serious question if you are a believer yet.
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Then obvious question-- do you really want to fight over the nonessentials enough to judge who is and who isn't a Christian?
Is someone who believes no women should be pastors/elders not or is?
Is someone who thinks baptism at birth is good enough not or is?
Is someone who believes the gifts have ended not or is?
How about evolutionists?
How about someone who takes a Sabbath rest every 6 days?
How about someone who dances? Smokes? Chews? Drinks? Takes prescriptions? Eats fried food?
It just keeps going and going. Do you really want the right to judge salvation level of absolutely everyone? (And let's then get into if there is even such a thing as "salvation level." lol)
Is someone who believes no women should be pastors/elders not or is?
Is someone who thinks baptism at birth is good enough not or is?
Is someone who believes the gifts have ended not or is?
How about evolutionists?
How about someone who takes a Sabbath rest every 6 days?
How about someone who dances? Smokes? Chews? Drinks? Takes prescriptions? Eats fried food?
It just keeps going and going. Do you really want the right to judge salvation level of absolutely everyone? (And let's then get into if there is even such a thing as "salvation level." lol)
Ok so i never even hinted at that, how you applied that thought to me is beyond me...
If one is teaching or following a false man made doctrine, yes we should inform them, as a fellow member of the body of Messiah it is right. However what does that have to do with claiming or not claiming a title on said person...
If one is teaching or following a false man made doctrine, yes we should inform them, as a fellow member of the body of Messiah it is right. However what does that have to do with claiming or not claiming a title on said person...
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Paul wrote on the issue of which day should be kept as the Lords day in Romans or 1st Corinthians I believe. In the early church the Jewish born believers said the Sabbath was the day to honor the Lord. The Greek or Gentile believers said the first day of the week was the Lords as that was when Jesus was resurrected.
Paul wrote basically that no matter which day they believed The Lord should be honored on, the important thing was that the Lord was honored.
In the same way the Jewish believers thought they should not eat meat that came from idol temples. While the Gentiles believed that the meat was not unclean because the idols that the meat was sacrificed too had no power and thus could not be made unclean what the Lord has made clean.
Of that Paul wrote that through Faith the Gentiles honored God by believing in His power to make all things clean and not to look down on the Jewish believers who honored God by not eating what they believed was unclean and vice versa. In both cases they honored God.
Paul wrote basically that no matter which day they believed The Lord should be honored on, the important thing was that the Lord was honored.
In the same way the Jewish believers thought they should not eat meat that came from idol temples. While the Gentiles believed that the meat was not unclean because the idols that the meat was sacrificed too had no power and thus could not be made unclean what the Lord has made clean.
Of that Paul wrote that through Faith the Gentiles honored God by believing in His power to make all things clean and not to look down on the Jewish believers who honored God by not eating what they believed was unclean and vice versa. In both cases they honored God.
Okay then, let's rephrase the question. Consider the person who loves and worships God and his only begotten son Jesus Christ, has repented, has received the Holy Spirit, and keeps God's commandments as well as anyone could be expected to.
Is that person not a Christian because he questions or has doubts about some aspect of the doctrine you presented above?
Is that person not a Christian because he questions or has doubts about some aspect of the doctrine you presented above?