What's that other stuff called?

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Doctrine is real. It is exact. It has merit. It needs to believed or one isn't a Christian. (Leaving out the part where we come as we are and don't know it all as new or, sometimes, fairly new believers.)

Examples of doctrines:
-- Salvation is through Christ. He is the only way.
-- While on earth Jesus was 100% God and 100% Man.
-- God is triune -- Father, Son and Spirit. Three-in-one.

And then there is the denomination stuff.

-- PCA (my denomination) is against women Elders.
-- Baptists want full-emersion and as adults, never as babies.
-- SDA believes Sabbath is Saturday.
-- Some denominations think you have to speak in tongues as a sigh of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

It is important to those of us in those denominations, but it isn't doctrine. It isn't universally accepted as the Christian message, so it's not doctrine.

Right? Okay, so my question. What is that stuff called then?
 
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Doctrine is real. It is exact. It has merit. It needs to believed or one isn't a Christian. (Leaving out the part where we come as we are and don't know it all as new or, sometimes, fairly new believers.)

Examples of doctrines:
-- Salvation is through Christ. He is the only way.
-- While on earth Jesus was 100% God and 100% Man.
-- God is triune -- Father, Son and Spirit. Three-in-one.

And then there is the denomination stuff.

-- PCA (my denomination) is against women Elders.
-- Baptists want full-emersion and as adults, never as babies.
-- SDA believes Sabbath is Saturday.
-- Some denominations think you have to speak in tongues as a sigh of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

It is important to those of us in those denominations, but it isn't doctrine. It isn't universally accepted as the Christian message, so it's not doctrine.

Right? Okay, so my question. What is that stuff called then?
Of course, one person's doctrine is another's heresy. We all agree on so little. I think we all agree that we are to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and love our neighbors as ourselves. After that it's confusion.

I try to make it simple. Obey the Lord's commandments. But then people disagree on what the commandments are.

But you and I agree on everything, don't we?
 
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Opinion. Practical wisdom. Brain washing. It all depends on the content and the labeller.
 
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Doctrine is real. It is exact. It has merit. It needs to believed or one isn't a Christian. (Leaving out the part where we come as we are and don't know it all as new or, sometimes, fairly new believers.)

Examples of doctrines:
-- Salvation is through Christ. He is the only way.
-- While on earth Jesus was 100% God and 100% Man.
-- God is triune -- Father, Son and Spirit. Three-in-one.

And then there is the denomination stuff.

-- PCA (my denomination) is against women Elders.
-- Baptists want full-emersion and as adults, never as babies.
-- SDA believes Sabbath is Saturday.
-- Some denominations think you have to speak in tongues as a sigh of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

It is important to those of us in those denominations, but it isn't doctrine. It isn't universally accepted as the Christian message, so it's not doctrine.

Right? Okay, so my question. What is that stuff called then?
Of course, one person's doctrine is another's heresy. We all agree on so little. I think we all agree that we are to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and love our neighbors as ourselves. After that it's confusion.

I try to make it simple. Obey the Lord's commandments. But then people disagree on what the commandments are.

But you and I agree on everything, don't we?
So I have an hour to kill. I might add that not everyone believes it’s necessary to obey the commandments. That always throws me for a loop. How can someone believe that? Was Jesus just talking to hear himself talk? I don’t think so.
 
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Thankfully, Lynn, you and I agree on everything.
 
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Doctrine is real. It is exact. It has merit. It needs to believed or one isn't a Christian. (Leaving out the part where we come as we are and don't know it all as new or, sometimes, fairly new believers.)

Examples of doctrines:
-- Salvation is through Christ. He is the only way.
-- While on earth Jesus was 100% God and 100% Man.
-- God is triune -- Father, Son and Spirit. Three-in-one.

And then there is the denomination stuff.

-- PCA (my denomination) is against women Elders.
-- Baptists want full-emersion and as adults, never as babies.
-- SDA believes Sabbath is Saturday.
-- Some denominations think you have to speak in tongues as a sigh of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

It is important to those of us in those denominations, but it isn't doctrine. It isn't universally accepted as the Christian message, so it's not doctrine.

Right? Okay, so my question. What is that stuff called then?
It also means "Doctrine." The word simply means 'teaching'...... whether Biblically correct, or not.
 

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Doctrine is real. It is exact. It has merit. It needs to believed or one isn't a Christian. (Leaving out the part where we come as we are and don't know it all as new or, sometimes, fairly new believers.)

Examples of doctrines:
-- Salvation is through Christ. He is the only way.
-- While on earth Jesus was 100% God and 100% Man.
-- God is triune -- Father, Son and Spirit. Three-in-one.

And then there is the denomination stuff.

-- PCA (my denomination) is against women Elders.
-- Baptists want full-emersion and as adults, never as babies.
-- SDA believes Sabbath is Saturday.
-- Some denominations think you have to speak in tongues as a sigh of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

It is important to those of us in those denominations, but it isn't doctrine. It isn't universally accepted as the Christian message, so it's not doctrine.

Right? Okay, so my question. What is that stuff called then?

it's called "doctrine". ;) :rolleyes: :p

didaskalía- properly: applied-teaching; Christian doctrine (teaching) as it especially extends to its necessary lifestyle

like this---
But as for you, teach what accords with sound doctrine. (Titus 2:1)


didáskō is teach, and didaskalía is (a) teaching. what a denom or non-denom teaches.

i think. :eek:
 
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Of course, one person's doctrine is another's heresy. We all agree on so little. I think we all agree that we are to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and love our neighbors as ourselves. After that it's confusion.

I try to make it simple. Obey the Lord's commandments. But then people disagree on what the commandments are.

But you and I agree on everything, don't we?
No, not what I'm saying at all. Doctrine is never heresy. Nor is it heresy to pick one day of the week as a Sabbath Day. Nor is it heresy if I don't particularly believe a woman should be pastor. Nor is it heresy if someone disagrees with me. BUT none of that other stuff is doctrine. To disagree with doctrine IS heresy!
 
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Opinion. Practical wisdom. Brain washing. It all depends on the content and the labeller.
LOL True, but I thought there was a better word for it.
 
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Doctrine is real. It is exact. It has merit. It needs to believed or one isn't a Christian. (Leaving out the part where we come as we are and don't know it all as new or, sometimes, fairly new believers.)

Examples of doctrines:
-- Salvation is through Christ. He is the only way.
-- While on earth Jesus was 100% God and 100% Man.
-- God is triune -- Father, Son and Spirit. Three-in-one.

And then there is the denomination stuff.

-- PCA (my denomination) is against women Elders.
-- Baptists want full-emersion and as adults, never as babies.
-- SDA believes Sabbath is Saturday.
-- Some denominations think you have to speak in tongues as a sigh of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

It is important to those of us in those denominations, but it isn't doctrine. It isn't universally accepted as the Christian message, so it's not doctrine.

Right? Okay, so my question. What is that stuff called then?
Stumbling blocks.
 
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It also means "Doctrine." The word simply means 'teaching'...... whether Biblically correct, or not.
Not according to Merriam-Webster.


  • 2a : something that is taughtb : a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief : dogma <Catholic doctrine>c law : a principle of law established through past decisionsd : a statement of fundamental government policy especially in international relations <the Truman Doctrine>e : a military principle or set of strategies
I'm more along the line of thinking of them as principles, tenets, creeds.
 
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it's called "doctrine". ;) :rolleyes: :p

didaskalía- properly: applied-teaching; Christian doctrine (teaching) as it especially extends to its necessary lifestyle

like this---
But as for you, teach what accords with sound doctrine. (Titus 2:1)


didáskō is teach, and didaskalía is (a) teaching. what a denom or non-denom teaches.

i think. :eek:
Then we're in dire need of another word. AND I am not voting in "That other stuff." lol
 
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Stumbling blocks.
If that is true, we could really use a renaming of this forum. Call it "The Stumbling Block Forum," because a good 98% of the stuff we talk about, (including this), comes under that other stuff. lol
 

notmyown

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Then we're in dire need of another word. AND I am not voting in "That other stuff." lol
:D

this is why the Church has had all those battles that established creeds, etc.
they were for the purpose of codifying (is that the word i want?) sound doctrine, weren't they? :confused:
 
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Doctrine is real. It is exact. It has merit. It needs to believed or one isn't a Christian. (Leaving out the part where we come as we are and don't know it all as new or, sometimes, fairly new believers.)

Examples of doctrines:
-- Salvation is through Christ. He is the only way.
-- While on earth Jesus was 100% God and 100% Man.
-- God is triune -- Father, Son and Spirit. Three-in-one.

And then there is the denomination stuff.

-- PCA (my denomination) is against women Elders.
-- Baptists want full-emersion and as adults, never as babies.
-- SDA believes Sabbath is Saturday.
-- Some denominations think you have to speak in tongues as a sigh of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

It is important to those of us in those denominations, but it isn't doctrine. It isn't universally accepted as the Christian message, so it's not doctrine.

Right? Okay, so my question. What is that stuff called then?
Essential and non-essential doctrines.
 
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No, not what I'm saying at all. Doctrine is never heresy. Nor is it heresy to pick one day of the week as a Sabbath Day. Nor is it heresy if I don't particularly believe a woman should be pastor. Nor is it heresy if someone disagrees with me. BUT none of that other stuff is doctrine. To disagree with doctrine IS heresy!
But there are so few things that everyone agrees with. I can hardly say a thing without someone disagreeing with me, and I say things that seem so terribly obvious.
 

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All these things not not have a name that brings them all together.
But there is a movement that tries to bring them all together.
It's called "ecumenism".
 
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All these things not not have a name that brings them all together.
But there is a movement that tries to bring them all together.
It's called "ecumenism".
So would you consider ecumenism a good thing or a bad thing?
 

AllenW

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So would you consider ecumenism a good thing or a bad thing?
There I stand on a pedestal, and you ask me a question that my answer may just divide Christianity forever.
For a moment I am speechless, then I think of "what would Willie T. say?"
Then I answer, Ecumenism is a good and bad thing, depending on the context in which it is used.
And there, we have the debate of the ages.